Tyrone Mings

[Stinkin_Thinkin]

Tyrone on the injury:

He knows that he's still got a long way to go until he's 100% again, and believes the last 20% of rehab is in playing games, but speaking about how long he thinks it will be until he's in perfect condition, he said: "I would say another 3 or 4 months of playing continuously is when I will stop thinking about the injury.

"The fact that I've been out, and to stop being so rusty in certain situations - there are so many things that you only experience in a game.

"There is no grace period - you're either good or you're not."

in an ideal world you'd send him out on loan and he'd do the 4 months at an ipswich or fulham... not top end premier or champions league, its a baptism of fire!

[Eurochamps82]

Ditto

[Eurochamps82]

.....the passing around at the back does my head in!

[London Villan]

It's fine if you are controlling the game - but we are normally behind after 15 mins...

[VillaTim]

Fact is the defence is much improved since Mings returned . Don't think we've lost a Prem game since he's back whereas before we were shipping more or less two a game .

[AV82EC]

Yep it’s all very well controlling the game, tempo, possession if you’re actually winning the game.

[VillaTim]

Yep it’s all very well controlling the game, tempo, possession if you’re actually winning the game.

Correct and all this talk of Torres and his passing as if he's been sublime every game whereas this season he's been miles off his passing form of last year and hasn't improved defensively either as we'd all hoped.

[Demitri_C]

Dont blame ty too much obvious  playing way too many minutes and having a impact on him.

[PaulWinch again]

Yep it’s all very well controlling the game, tempo, possession if you’re actually winning the game.

Correct and all this talk of Torres and his passing as if he's been sublime every game whereas this season he's been miles off his passing form of last year and hasn't improved defensively either as we'd all hoped.

Without wishing to highlight a hint bias - it’s absolutely true we’ve conceded less since Ty came in regularly, and he’s done well. But we’ve also played West Ham, Leicester, Everton, and Arsenal domestically
. It hasn’t been the sternest test, except Arsenal where we did concede 2. Now I’m not saying that doesn’t mean there’s been an improvement, but I wouldn’t say it’s conclusive. Also whether you think Torres’ passing form has reached the levels of last year, it is indisputable that he is levels above the other centre halves in that respect.

[pauliewalnuts]

In Europe he's managed to directly lose us the game in Bruges and fuck up last night, too.

All that good work of beating the likes of Bayern, of a routine win at YB, a late escape in Leipzig, all that good stuff, out the fucking window

We're too nice as a fanbase.

Move him on in the summer, not good enough for where we want to get to.

[pauliewalnuts]

Dont blame ty too much obvious  playing way too many minutes and having a impact on him.

How many minutes had he played when he picked the ball up in Bruges?

[VillaTim]

Yep it’s all very well controlling the game, tempo, possession if you’re actually winning the game.

Correct and all this talk of Torres and his passing as if he's been sublime every game whereas this season he's been miles off his passing form of last year and hasn't improved defensively either as we'd all hoped.

Without wishing to highlight a hint bias - it’s absolutely true we’ve conceded less since Ty came in regularly, and he’s done well. But we’ve also played West Ham, Leicester, Everton, and Arsenal domestically
. It hasn’t been the sternest test, except Arsenal where we did concede 2. Now I’m not saying that doesn’t mean there’s been an improvement, but I wouldn’t say it’s conclusive. Also whether you think Torres’ passing form has reached the levels of last year, it is indisputable that he is levels above the other centre halves in that respect.

It's not a hint bias .
Torres as a defender is a massive liability . Mings has improved the defence significantly already and he's not even at 100% yet . Argue with the stats for as long as you want , but Torres is a major issue in the centre of a defence . And if you're going to diminish Mings by referencing opponents we conceded 2 v Your Everton's , Ipswich's and Palaces with Torres as CB .

[PaulWinch again]

Yes you have no bias at all. If Torres is literally a complete liability defensively how do you explain the first half of last season? Where we played the best football we have played in years, scored loads and only conceded 2 + in 5 of 19 games. Torres played pretty much all of those games.

[pauliewalnuts]

Yes you have no bias at all. If Torres is literally a complete liability defensively how do you explain the first half of last season? Where we played the best football we have played in years, scored loads and only conceded 2 + in 5 of 19 games. Torres played pretty much all of those games.

Tim won't get it, he's started digging himself a hole.

[PaulWinch again]

No I know, but I just had to put it out there as he was talking about facts. It’s almost as if maybe it’s not all down to one player in the team whether it functions or not.