Tyrone Mings

[cdbearsfan]

Where did Harry Maguire finish last season?

[Ads]

I dont really want to talk about why Man United are so amusingly average, for fear it might jinx it and they realise they have to change.

Zat Knight finished top 6 too, for us. He wasn't as good as Cahill, who was getting humped by us at relegation fodder Bolton. Although he did win a European Cup.

I understand the point you're trying to allude to, it's just not a very good one. Mings is not good enough to be our number 1 centre half and for us to get close to the top 8/7.

People pull that bizarre stat of "we've only won 1 game without him in 3 seasons" and not mention the 18 we lost with him last.

[cdbearsfan]

Not really, your post implied that only players better than Mings can finish in top seven or eight and Harry Maguire proves otherwise.

There are far more players to worry about than Mings if we are going to get where we need to be. Konsa, who was ludicrously picked ahead of him on Saturday, for starters. We seemingly have no intention of signing another centre-half so alienating our best one over the past three and a half seasons is as petty as it is pointless.

The plan is, presumably, that Carlos improves our defence. Stick him alongside Mings and hopefully the plan will work.

[PeterWithesShin]

I'd say that the fact we finished 6th in 2 seasons where Knight and Davies between them made over 70 appearances shows that the other 9 or 10 players play a big role in where you finish. It's why we were for the most part quite shit despite having Benteke, and later Grealish. And why finishing 17th, 11th, 14th doesn't prove whether Mings can play on a regular basis for a side that finishes in the top 10.

[adrenachrome]

I'd say that the fact we finished 6th in 2 seasons where Knight and Davies between them made over 70 appearances shows that the other 9 or 10 players play a big role in where you finish. It's why we were for the most part quite shit despite having Benteke, and later Grealish. And why finishing 17th, 11th, 14th doesn't prove whether Mings can play on a regular basis for a side that finishes in the top 10.

Very good point, PWS.

Nonetheless, I can't imagine Zat getting bullied by that Boscombe Bozo.

[LeonW]

I dont really want to talk about why Man United are so amusingly average, for fear it might jinx it and they realise they have to change.

Mings is not good enough to be our number 1 centre half and for us to get close to the top 8/7.

Whilst this is probably true, we don’t currently have a centre half to play alongside Carlos who is markedly better than Mings and we may struggle to persuade one to join us at present. Maybe the club will pull one out of the bag before the end of the window. But until then, why look to isolate him in the way Gerrard has? And make it personal and make it public? He can still be a positive influence for the team and this situation probably reduces his transfer value as well with other teams seeing that Gerrard doesn’t seem to rate him. Unless Mings has been behaving completely unprofessionally this needless situation has been created unnecessarily by the manager. Being dropped alone (in a World Cup year as well) would probably have been enough to motivate Mings.

[Simon Page]

We get you don't rate Mings much Ads, but repeatedly stating that he isn't a top 7/8 player or we can't get to that position with him in the side doesn't make it a fact.

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

...we don’t currently have a centre half to play alongside Carlos who is markedly better than Mings and we may struggle to persuade one to join us at present. Maybe the club will pull one out of the bag before the end of the window. But until then, why look to isolate him in the way Gerrard has? And make it personal and make it public? He can still be a positive influence for the team and this situation probably reduces his transfer value as well with other teams seeing that Gerrard doesn’t seem to rate him. Unless Mings has been behaving completely unprofessionally this needless situation has been created unnecessarily by the manager. Being dropped alone (in a World Cup year as well) would probably have been enough to motivate Mings.

That's the point Mings hasn't been unprofessional.
When he got dropped internationally, he was supportive to the squad. When he lost the captaincy to McGinn again he was supportive. The only person who has been unprofessional in all of this is our manager. He didn't have to answer the question about Mings post match Saturday. He could have said he wanted to focus on the 11 who started the match (+ subs) or even better on his own non-performance as manager, but no he chose to put the focus on someone who didn't even make it on the pitch. Deflect, distract, don't look here look over there tactics.  Where have we seen that before and look at how that's worked out.

[Risso]

We get you don't rate Mings much Ads, but repeatedly stating that he isn't a top 7/8 player or we can't get to that position with him in the side doesn't make it a fact.

Well it's how forums work Simon, people giving their opinions. If it's facts you're after, his birthday is 13 March 1983, and he's from Bath.

[LeonW]

...we don’t currently have a centre half to play alongside Carlos who is markedly better than Mings and we may struggle to persuade one to join us at present. Maybe the club will pull one out of the bag before the end of the window. But until then, why look to isolate him in the way Gerrard has? And make it personal and make it public? He can still be a positive influence for the team and this situation probably reduces his transfer value as well with other teams seeing that Gerrard doesn’t seem to rate him. Unless Mings has been behaving completely unprofessionally this needless situation has been created unnecessarily by the manager. Being dropped alone (in a World Cup year as well) would probably have been enough to motivate Mings.

That's the point Mings hasn't been unprofessional.
When he got dropped internationally, he was supportive to the squad. When he lost the captaincy to McGinn again he was supportive. The only person who has been unprofessional in all of this is our manager. He didn't have to answer the question about Mings post match Saturday. He could have said he wanted to focus on the 11 who started the match (+ subs) or even better on his own non-performance as manager, but no he chose to put the focus on someone who didn't even make it on the pitch. Deflect, distract, don't look here look over there tactics.  Where have we seen that before and look at how that's worked out.

He’s not been unprofessional that we’re aware of is probably more accurate. But even if he had, I’m not sure what Gerrard gets addressing it publicly in the manner he has.

[Beard82]

I dont really want to talk about why Man United are so amusingly average, for fear it might jinx it and they realise they have to change.

Zat Knight finished top 6 too, for us. He wasn't as good as Cahill, who was getting humped by us at relegation fodder Bolton. Although he did win a European Cup.

I understand the point you're trying to allude to, it's just not a very good one. Mings is not good enough to be our number 1 centre half and for us to get close to the top 8/7.

People pull that bizarre stat of "we've only won 1 game without him in 3 seasons" and not mention the 18 we lost with him last.

Yes - but the challange we have is we dont look like getting close to the top 8 / 7 based on our performances since we came back up, other than for a 3 month period under smith.  On present showing none of the players look capable of being top 8/7 based on their performances for the club

[Simon Page]

We get you don't rate Mings much Ads, but repeatedly stating that he isn't a top 7/8 player or we can't get to that position with him in the side doesn't make it a fact.

Well it's how forums work Simon, people giving their opinions. If it's facts you're after, his birthday is 13 March 1983, and he's from Bath.

Re-read. It's constantly presented as stone cold fact to support an opinion, not the other way round.

[teamvillage]

We get you don't rate Mings much Ads, but repeatedly stating that he isn't a top 7/8 player or we can't get to that position with him in the side doesn't make it a fact.

Well it's how forums work Simon, people giving their opinions. If it's facts you're after, his birthday is 13 March 1983, and he's from Bath.

We get you don't rate Mings much Ads, but repeatedly stating that he isn't a top 7/8 player or we can't get to that position with him in the side doesn't make it a fact.

Well it's how forums work Simon, people giving their opinions. If it's facts you're after, his birthday is 13 March 1983, and he's from Bath.

Respect to him for still performing at this level aged 39.

[cdbearsfan]

I hope he pronounces Bath properly and not like it has an "r" in it like some southern ponce.

[Dave]

I'd say that the fact we finished 6th in 2 seasons where Knight and Davies between them made over 70 appearances shows that the other 9 or 10 players play a big role in where you finish. It's why we were for the most part quite shit despite having Benteke, and later Grealish. And why finishing 17th, 11th, 14th doesn't prove whether Mings can play on a regular basis for a side that finishes in the top 10.

And given that we've all spent the best part of two seasons bemoaning the absence of a defensive midfield, I daresay the whole defence would have looked a lot more solid, Mings included, had we not been inviting teams to run into the gaping hole right in front of them.