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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11220 on: December 04, 2023, 01:24:05 AM »
Hard to believe that Jacks didn't bowl a ball on a turning pitch.

I think Sam needs to be left out for his own sake.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11221 on: December 04, 2023, 01:31:48 AM »
Hard to believe that Jacks didn't bowl a ball on a turning pitch.

I think Sam needs to be left out for his own sake.
Totally agree with this and I think even just a couple of overs sneaked in when Hope / Hetmyer were beginning their innings' would have given Jos some options at the end and he could have got away with only bowling Sam for 8 or 9. Little things. But suggest maybe he's not the man for the job. Or they'll win by 200 runs on Wednesday !

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11222 on: December 04, 2023, 12:46:00 PM »
Hard to believe that Jacks didn't bowl a ball on a turning pitch.

I think Sam needs to be left out for his own sake.

Even more so when you look at the bowling figures.  Curran went for nearly 10 an over, Carse went for 8 and Atkinson went for 6.  In contrast, Ahmed went for 4 an over off 10 and Livingstone 5 an over off 10.  Looks like they read the conditions wrong.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11223 on: December 04, 2023, 01:13:11 PM »
There does seem to be a gap in terms of reacting to the situation, be that in game or even before the game when the conditions differ to what you’re expecting. They seem to have a plan and that’s it.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11224 on: December 05, 2023, 12:43:38 AM »
I think you're right, but the fact that you have six bowlers at your disposal (along with some 'occasionals' from Brook, does give the captain the option of going to Plan B.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11225 on: December 05, 2023, 02:26:57 AM »
There does seem to be a gap in terms of reacting to the situation, be that in game or even before the game when the conditions differ to what you’re expecting. They seem to have a plan and that’s it.
I've thought that for a while. Even things like persisting with bouncers or slower ball bouncers because that's what the stats told them beforehand rather than captaining on instinct. No idea whether it's Jos or Mott but it doesn't look great

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11226 on: December 06, 2023, 01:47:25 AM »
Jos himself looks pretty shot at the moment.

Does anyone know how much cricket he's played in the last six months?

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11227 on: December 06, 2023, 05:13:15 AM »
Jos himself looks pretty shot at the moment.

Does anyone know how much cricket he's played in the last six months?

He’s been playing non-stop since the end of August but had a break with the early World Cup exit. Prior to that his last international action was back in March and he played around a dozen games in the IPL. Add in the Hundred and the Blast and he’s playing pretty much all the time. He needs a break from the game to prioritise his own well being.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11228 on: December 06, 2023, 10:46:27 AM »
Bangladesh had a batsman given out for obstructing the field, gloving away the ball…only 2nd batsman in tests to have that…guess the World Cup controversy meant NZ we’re never going to not appeal

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11229 on: December 07, 2023, 01:34:36 AM »
...and in a trice, everything changes. Sam Curran takes three early wickets, while Buttler hits the winning runs!!

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11230 on: December 07, 2023, 05:30:56 PM »
Bangladesh had a batsman given out for obstructing the field, gloving away the ball…only 2nd batsman in tests to have that…guess the World Cup controversy meant NZ we’re never going to not appeal


Doesn't sound right, I remember Gooch being out once for knocking the ball away with his hand, and Michael Vaughan has done it too. Unless I've misunderstood, which is possible!

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11231 on: December 08, 2023, 12:41:17 AM »
I vaguely recall the Gooch incident. He brushed the ball away to prevent it hitting the stumps. Little doubt he would have been out had he not done it so in this event the ruling was fair enough.

Is there a rule for this called 'handling the ball'?

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11232 on: December 08, 2023, 01:59:42 AM »
I vaguely recall the Gooch incident. He brushed the ball away to prevent it hitting the stumps. Little doubt he would have been out had he not done it so in this event the ruling was fair enough.

Is there a rule for this called 'handling the ball'?
Not as such anymore. The "Handled the Ball" and "Obstructing the Field" modes of dismissal were merged about 18 months back under the latter definition.Which also explains Risso's question about how often this specific mode of dismissal has been evident. Although to add confusion there is very little evidence to suggest that what the Bangladeshi batter did caused any obstruction to the field - and having seen it it was just a bit of a brain fade.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11233 on: December 08, 2023, 08:43:50 AM »
So it’s the same thing, just renamed?

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Re: The International Cricket Thread
« Reply #11234 on: December 11, 2023, 08:05:35 PM »
Curious Test squad, very light on experience in the spin department. But to be honest outside of Leach, and Dawson - who they clearly don’t fancy, I’m not sure on best options. I’m amazed Jacks isn’t involved.

 


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