Deano’s wishlist - the Jan transfer speculation/guaranteed nonsense thread

[SoccerHQ]

Clear to me our proper business will be in the summer, going to be a huge squad turnover when you look at who's out of contract then.

If we use this window to integrate likes of Mings and Carroll and they look good enough to sign full time in the summer then I don't think that's too bad.

[PeterWithesShin]

Loans are a lot lower risk so don't bother me so much. But I guarantee the record of players signed with a dodgy history by any club is going to be a lot higher on the "well that didn't work out" side than it does on the "what a great deal that was" side, even Laursen was a push as he was here for 5 years and played about 2 season's worth of football.

[footyskillz]

I think there are a fair few false assumptions being made on here about Hause, Mings and Carroll.

Firstly none of them are injury prone:
Carroll had a hip injury in October and has been back in full training for a couple of weeks, that's his first meaningful injury in about 3-4 years.
Mings picked up a back injury which saw him miss most of last season but he's been available all season, he was just down the pecking order after they had to sign a replacement for him last year.
Hause isn't match fit but that appears to be a result of a couple of small niggles and the fact that he just wasn't a first choice for the current manager.

We didn't go for Carroll in desperation after the Fer deal fell through, if nothing else there's no way we'd have had the time for that, it's pretty clear we had  both in for medicals at he same time and for whatever reason the Fer one fell through (most reports are saying he failed the medical).

We aren't tightening our belts or giving up, Kalinic and Guilbert cost somewhere around £12m and we seem to have had a big bid for Mepham as well, that's the sort of things you'd expect from a club that's not trying to get into the top 6.

We did try to sign left backs, Justin and Henry (it's messed up that they're both surnames) were both heavily linked.

Final one, we're not building the team around loans, we apparently have buy out options on Hause and Carroll, so they're signings with delayed payment. so the only loan that doesn't have an option is Mings and that's pretty well established as being because Bournemouth refused and insisted on an option to inform us of acceptable bids instead, so we can choose to match them. They clearly feel that his value will increase whilst he's here and don't want to get screwed, which is fair enough.

Mings has played 17 games in 3 years.  He's 25, nearly 26, and has played 76 senior games.

Martin Laursens record was worse than that and we bought an alcoholic who's knees were shot called Paul McGrath. Just sayin.

Remember concreate Ron

[brontebilly]

I think there are a fair few false assumptions being made on here about Hause, Mings and Carroll.

Firstly none of them are injury prone:
Carroll had a hip injury in October and has been back in full training for a couple of weeks, that's his first meaningful injury in about 3-4 years.
Mings picked up a back injury which saw him miss most of last season but he's been available all season, he was just down the pecking order after they had to sign a replacement for him last year.
Hause isn't match fit but that appears to be a result of a couple of small niggles and the fact that he just wasn't a first choice for the current manager.

We didn't go for Carroll in desperation after the Fer deal fell through, if nothing else there's no way we'd have had the time for that, it's pretty clear we had  both in for medicals at he same time and for whatever reason the Fer one fell through (most reports are saying he failed the medical).

We aren't tightening our belts or giving up, Kalinic and Guilbert cost somewhere around £12m and we seem to have had a big bid for Mepham as well, that's the sort of things you'd expect from a club that's not trying to get into the top 6.

We did try to sign left backs, Justin and Henry (it's messed up that they're both surnames) were both heavily linked.

Final one, we're not building the team around loans, we apparently have buy out options on Hause and Carroll, so they're signings with delayed payment. so the only loan that doesn't have an option is Mings and that's pretty well established as being because Bournemouth refused and insisted on an option to inform us of acceptable bids instead, so we can choose to match them. They clearly feel that his value will increase whilst he's here and don't want to get screwed, which is fair enough.

Mings has played 17 games in 3 years.  He's 25, nearly 26, and has played 76 senior games.

Martin Laursens record was worse than that and we bought an alcoholic who's knees were shot called Paul McGrath. Just sayin.

Micah Richards was another injury prone player we bought....

Don't understand bringing them in now either , we need guys who are match fit and ready to make an instant impact. Grabban last season or to a lesser extent Elphick this time have come in and done that. Even Steer would have been fine as first choice until the summer, given his time at Charlton .

Pre-season would be far better to get these guys up to speed.

[paul_e]

Mings has played 17 games in 3 years.  He's 25, nearly 26, and has played 76 senior games.

Mings is the only one where the idea of him being injury prone has any merit but even still the truth is he's just had 2 bad injuries, 1 10 minutes into his debut and 1 at the start of last season that was, by all accounts, as much of a freak accident as Grealish had last year. Everything else has, it appears, just been a result of him not being match fit when he's come back into things. This season he's been fit all year (and on the bench a number of times) but Bournemouth just seem to have already replaced him. It's a bit like us with Gardner, where the squad when he was fit and ready to play was so different to the one before that he just didn't really have a place any more.

I just can't agree with this idea that we've just signed players who are going to be out injured all the time ad it's somehow something we do all the time because of Richards. For me the time to worry is when a player is regularly getting similar injuries keeping them out for a few months at a time (this is the situation with Richards for example who injured his knee and needed surgery and ever since has had a regular run of thigh and knee injuries, all suggesting an underlying issues that won't be fixed).


We all saw that Hause wasn't ready but we have no point of reference with Mings and Carroll (although Smith said Mings was fit to play in the presser yesterday) so all we can do is see how things go tomorrow. If they both look off the pace and we struggle then it's time to criticise, right now it's just an assumption that they're going to be useless for a few weeks and I just don't see it that way.

[SirSteveUK]

Practically all of Ming's appearances were during December - started 2 games and came off the bench 3 times. He has not made the matchday squad for their last 3 games

[Toronto Villa]

What none of us has access to is how other clubs operate when they sign players with some injury history. Let’s not broad brush this like Aston Villa is the only club that signs players with some level of fitness doubt or have been burned by players who get injured soon after signing.

[paul_e]

What none of us has access to is how other clubs operate when they sign players with some injury history. Let’s not broad brush this like Aston Villa is the only club that signs players with some level of fitness doubt or have been burned by players who get injured soon after signing.

This is probably point I was trying to make but making a fucking mess of. I get the concerns with Mings, but he was pretty much back involved until the window when it became obvious he was going out somewhere so he's probably the most 'match ready' of the 3 despite having the bigger list of injuries.

[Risso]

I don't think anybody has said that they'll always be injured, but it's undeniable that in Hause, Carroll and Mings, we have signed three players who have hardly played this season and will therefore be short of match fitness.  Chucking Hause in at Wigan was shown to be a mistake in no uncertain manner.  In fact, rarely have I seen a poor decision in football be so instantly and cruelly exposed.

[Toronto Villa]

Agreed but two different issues. The concern will be is of the club are looking to next season and considering this season one really of building without giving up on promotion. It won’t surprise me if Smith has looked at with Purslow and said privately we’re not ready for promotion.

[ROBBO]

Management have faced reality in that we have to prepare for the summer trading period, they have reduced the costs by a substantial amount and with more high earners to leave in the summer we will be in a better financial position fair play wise to get better players in.
Thought it was a mistake bringing Hause on after so long without match practice i still think he will be good for us as for the newcomers lets wait and see.

[Risso]

I think there are a fair few false assumptions being made on here about Hause, Mings and Carroll.

Firstly none of them are injury prone:
Carroll had a hip injury in October and has been back in full training for a couple of weeks, that's his first meaningful injury in about 3-4 years.
Mings picked up a back injury which saw him miss most of last season but he's been available all season, he was just down the pecking order after they had to sign a replacement for him last year.
Hause isn't match fit but that appears to be a result of a couple of small niggles and the fact that he just wasn't a first choice for the current manager.

We didn't go for Carroll in desperation after the Fer deal fell through, if nothing else there's no way we'd have had the time for that, it's pretty clear we had  both in for medicals at he same time and for whatever reason the Fer one fell through (most reports are saying he failed the medical).

We aren't tightening our belts or giving up, Kalinic and Guilbert cost somewhere around £12m and we seem to have had a big bid for Mepham as well, that's the sort of things you'd expect from a club that's not trying to get into the top 6.

We did try to sign left backs, Justin and Henry (it's messed up that they're both surnames) were both heavily linked.

Final one, we're not building the team around loans, we apparently have buy out options on Hause and Carroll, so they're signings with delayed payment. so the only loan that doesn't have an option is Mings and that's pretty well established as being because Bournemouth refused and insisted on an option to inform us of acceptable bids instead, so we can choose to match them. They clearly feel that his value will increase whilst he's here and don't want to get screwed, which is fair enough.

Mings has played 17 games in 3 years.  He's 25, nearly 26, and has played 76 senior games.

Martin Laursens record was worse than that and we bought an alcoholic who's knees were shot called Paul McGrath. Just sayin.

Two players in 30 years?  And even Laursen is arguable as he missed about 60% of his games here.

Micah Richards says hello.  Just sayin.

[Risso]

It won’t surprise me if Smith has looked at with Purslow and said privately we’re not ready for promotion.

When will we be ready?  When we lose Abraham, Grealish and McGinn next season?

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Why are we losing them?

[Clampy]

 I don't understand the pessimism. People need to chill.