Deano’s wishlist - the Jan transfer speculation/guaranteed nonsense thread

[sickbeggar]

Despite all the soundbites from Smith about improving the market value of our players and avoiding loans, we have only gone out and done the exact opposite.

All three loans have hardly played this season and two (Mings/Hause) are effectively competing for the same position. Carroll is a shit Barry Bannan and exactly what we didn't need in midfield.

It suggests to me that the chaos behind the scenes at Villa Park has only continued and likely problems already between this Jesus/Suso character and Smith.

Only positive really is that a number of our young players have gone on loan.

Wow.

That's way off the mark,not the 'wow'.Mings and Hause wouldn't be here if they were playing for their Premier League teams.Carroll is not like a shit Bannan.He's played more times in the Premier League despite being 3 years younger and being picked  initially for Spurs was harder than getting into the Villa and Palace teams.If he's an improvement on Hourihane,he's exactly what we need.A holding midfielder doesn't have to be a Jedinak or Whelan type.
Mings and Hause offer flexibility as both can play CB and LB and you could play both.Also we are better covered for injuries,unlike the reckless Bruce approach.
The 2 permanent signings,Kalinic,28,youhg for a keeper and Guilbert,24,do correspond to raising the market value approach.
And how do you come to the conclusion that there is chaos behind the scenes and that Smith and his DOF are at loggerheads ?

Carroll has struggled to get game time in the championship this year for Swansea. Bannan is more than competent at this level over a number of years. Neither, nor Fer for that matter, are the mobile holding midfielder we so desperately need. That's poor scouting and the kind of deal that the likes of Bruce would have been justifiably been slated for.

 It's genuinely bizarre how we go all out for Fer but at the last minute pick up his team mate instead. Definitely a Doug Ellis Teddy/Tony type job as an OP referred to it.

Mings (22 games in 4 years) and Hause (24 games in 3 years) aren't just recently out of favour in their previous clubs, they are desperately short of match practice as Hause so clearly illustrated in his one game for us so far. Very strange duo to sign in Jan. At least Elphick has come back match fit.

Well I don't think Carroll was ever brought in as the holding midfielder, but you don't just stop looking at other positions just because you need players more urgently somewhere else. They're obviously struggling to get the players they want in, but this is the way it is January window - less choice and more cost. Agree about Hause and Mings, but its Smith's decision and at the end of the day, if they are crooked or shit, we send them back

[john e]

There’s been chaos behind the scenes and in front of the scenes for nearly a decade now

I’m  hoping the new lot will put a stop to it but we shall see

[footyskillz]

Chris Mepham turned villa down despite a more lucrative offer

Says who ?

Well I heard Mark Clement on BBC say it and also heard it on sky sports news I personally haven't heard any direct quotes Dean Smith or Thomas Frank or Eddie Howe .

Since doing online search it seems it was reported in the sun :" Aston Villa were also keen on Mepham and even offered him better terms – and promised to pay The Bees a bigger transfer fee."

So there Sorry if you don't like it but getting rejected happens! 

[tomd2103]

I don’t get some of the hysteria. No window is ever perfect and most of us going into this season didn’t even think we could sign anyone and were being wound up.

We’ve got players in and back who will help us based on our needs. We have to trust Dean Smith on the types of players he wanted now and in the future with the deals made this month and those he will make. I don’t give a fuck who Albion got in. A couple of months back we outplayed them and should have won comfortably.

Smith has way more work to do than this window would have solved. We worked within the constraints of FFP, shifted some players and wages, got a bit younger, got players out on loan. And next season we will be very different again to this squad, promotion or not. Let’s wait to see this play out.

Would agree with that TV.  From the outside, it looks to me like a consensus has been reached that the best way forward was to do some patching up in this window and then with Grealish and Tuanzebe we might be able to have a tilt at the play offs.

A number of players are out of contract in the summer, so I would imagine the younger players have been sent out to get game time, with a view to them being in contention in pre season. 

I think that's a better approach than spending big money and offering big contracts to players just for the sake of it.

[Brassneck]

We're not an average championship club in any sense. We're a huge draw for players down here. We routinely have in each window beat other clubs down here to players. Two more in this window alone.

There's absolutely no evidence there's chaos behind the scenes or rifts. I'm not surprised Beontebilly reads that into it though, as he does his best to bring everybody down at every possible occasion.

He could win the Euro Millions and be devastated that his chances of gout would increase or dying in an air disaster become more likely from all the round the world trips.

Sounds like my Mrs.

[kippaxvilla2]

Chris Mepham turned villa down despite a more lucrative offer

Says who ?

That Pete O'Rourke bloke.  The one who broke the news about us having completed the deal for Fer.

[kippaxvilla2]

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Bournemouth are understood to have fended off interest from Aston Villa for Mepham. Villa offered a higher transfer fee and more lucrative personal terms, but Mepham chose to play under Eddie Howe who has been chasing his signature for over a year. #afcb #avfc  #BrentfordFC

[sirlordbaltimore]

It's genuinely bizarre how we go all out for Fer but at the last minute pick up his team mate instead. Definitely a Doug Ellis Teddy/Tony type job as an OP referred to it.

According to the Express & Star bloke we were working on BOTH deals at the same time. Not one or the other. Which would make complete sense seeing as they're very different types of players

[brontebilly]

We're not an average championship club in any sense. We're a huge draw for players down here. We routinely have in each window beat other clubs down here to players. Two more in this window alone.

There's absolutely no evidence there's chaos behind the scenes or rifts. I'm not surprised Beontebilly reads that into it though, as he does his best to bring everybody down at every possible occasion.

He could win the Euro Millions and be devastated that his chances of gout would increase or dying in an air disaster become more likely from all the round the world trips.

😂

[paul_e]

I think there are a fair few false assumptions being made on here about Hause, Mings and Carroll.

Firstly none of them are injury prone:
Carroll had a hip injury in October and has been back in full training for a couple of weeks, that's his first meaningful injury in about 3-4 years.
Mings picked up a back injury which saw him miss most of last season but he's been available all season, he was just down the pecking order after they had to sign a replacement for him last year.
Hause isn't match fit but that appears to be a result of a couple of small niggles and the fact that he just wasn't a first choice for the current manager.

We didn't go for Carroll in desperation after the Fer deal fell through, if nothing else there's no way we'd have had the time for that, it's pretty clear we had  both in for medicals at he same time and for whatever reason the Fer one fell through (most reports are saying he failed the medical).

We aren't tightening our belts or giving up, Kalinic and Guilbert cost somewhere around £12m and we seem to have had a big bid for Mepham as well, that's the sort of things you'd expect from a club that's not trying to get into the top 6.

We did try to sign left backs, Justin and Henry (it's messed up that they're both surnames) were both heavily linked.

Final one, we're not building the team around loans, we apparently have buy out options on Hause and Carroll, so they're signings with delayed payment. so the only loan that doesn't have an option is Mings and that's pretty well established as being because Bournemouth refused and insisted on an option to inform us of acceptable bids instead, so we can choose to match them. They clearly feel that his value will increase whilst he's here and don't want to get screwed, which is fair enough.

[john e]

Could you expand a bit on that Paul

[Risso]

I think there are a fair few false assumptions being made on here about Hause, Mings and Carroll.

Firstly none of them are injury prone:
Carroll had a hip injury in October and has been back in full training for a couple of weeks, that's his first meaningful injury in about 3-4 years.
Mings picked up a back injury which saw him miss most of last season but he's been available all season, he was just down the pecking order after they had to sign a replacement for him last year.
Hause isn't match fit but that appears to be a result of a couple of small niggles and the fact that he just wasn't a first choice for the current manager.

We didn't go for Carroll in desperation after the Fer deal fell through, if nothing else there's no way we'd have had the time for that, it's pretty clear we had  both in for medicals at he same time and for whatever reason the Fer one fell through (most reports are saying he failed the medical).

We aren't tightening our belts or giving up, Kalinic and Guilbert cost somewhere around £12m and we seem to have had a big bid for Mepham as well, that's the sort of things you'd expect from a club that's not trying to get into the top 6.

We did try to sign left backs, Justin and Henry (it's messed up that they're both surnames) were both heavily linked.

Final one, we're not building the team around loans, we apparently have buy out options on Hause and Carroll, so they're signings with delayed payment. so the only loan that doesn't have an option is Mings and that's pretty well established as being because Bournemouth refused and insisted on an option to inform us of acceptable bids instead, so we can choose to match them. They clearly feel that his value will increase whilst he's here and don't want to get screwed, which is fair enough.

Mings has played 17 games in 3 years.  He's 25, nearly 26, and has played 76 senior games.

[robleflaneur]

Worth bearing in mind that Mings didn't play a senior game until 2013.His record for Ipswich was excellent and Bournemouth paid £8m for him.Two different injuries restricted his progress in his first 2 years but has been available this year.If it was an immediate permanent deal,it might have been a risk.Forest were also willing to pay £1m for his loan.
As regards Carroll playing in a deep or holding role,we expect him to be challenging Hourihane's place and that's where Smith likes to play Hourihane when Grealish is fit.A different style to the Jedinaks and Whelans but quick accurate passing  through the lines will be better and that fits in with Smith's philosophy.

[The Edge]

I think there are a fair few false assumptions being made on here about Hause, Mings and Carroll.

Firstly none of them are injury prone:
Carroll had a hip injury in October and has been back in full training for a couple of weeks, that's his first meaningful injury in about 3-4 years.
Mings picked up a back injury which saw him miss most of last season but he's been available all season, he was just down the pecking order after they had to sign a replacement for him last year.
Hause isn't match fit but that appears to be a result of a couple of small niggles and the fact that he just wasn't a first choice for the current manager.

We didn't go for Carroll in desperation after the Fer deal fell through, if nothing else there's no way we'd have had the time for that, it's pretty clear we had  both in for medicals at he same time and for whatever reason the Fer one fell through (most reports are saying he failed the medical).

We aren't tightening our belts or giving up, Kalinic and Guilbert cost somewhere around £12m and we seem to have had a big bid for Mepham as well, that's the sort of things you'd expect from a club that's not trying to get into the top 6.

We did try to sign left backs, Justin and Henry (it's messed up that they're both surnames) were both heavily linked.

Final one, we're not building the team around loans, we apparently have buy out options on Hause and Carroll, so they're signings with delayed payment. so the only loan that doesn't have an option is Mings and that's pretty well established as being because Bournemouth refused and insisted on an option to inform us of acceptable bids instead, so we can choose to match them. They clearly feel that his value will increase whilst he's here and don't want to get screwed, which is fair enough.

Mings has played 17 games in 3 years.  He's 25, nearly 26, and has played 76 senior games.

Martin Laursens record was worse than that and we bought an alcoholic who's knees were shot called Paul McGrath. Just sayin.

[john e]

I think there are a fair few false assumptions being made on here about Hause, Mings and Carroll.

Firstly none of them are injury prone:
Carroll had a hip injury in October and has been back in full training for a couple of weeks, that's his first meaningful injury in about 3-4 years.
Mings picked up a back injury which saw him miss most of last season but he's been available all season, he was just down the pecking order after they had to sign a replacement for him last year.
Hause isn't match fit but that appears to be a result of a couple of small niggles and the fact that he just wasn't a first choice for the current manager.

We didn't go for Carroll in desperation after the Fer deal fell through, if nothing else there's no way we'd have had the time for that, it's pretty clear we had  both in for medicals at he same time and for whatever reason the Fer one fell through (most reports are saying he failed the medical).

We aren't tightening our belts or giving up, Kalinic and Guilbert cost somewhere around £12m and we seem to have had a big bid for Mepham as well, that's the sort of things you'd expect from a club that's not trying to get into the top 6.

We did try to sign left backs, Justin and Henry (it's messed up that they're both surnames) were both heavily linked.

Final one, we're not building the team around loans, we apparently have buy out options on Hause and Carroll, so they're signings with delayed payment. so the only loan that doesn't have an option is Mings and that's pretty well established as being because Bournemouth refused and insisted on an option to inform us of acceptable bids instead, so we can choose to match them. They clearly feel that his value will increase whilst he's here and don't want to get screwed, which is fair enough.

Mings has played 17 games in 3 years.  He's 25, nearly 26, and has played 76 senior games.

Martin Laursens record was worse than that and we bought an alcoholic who's knees were shot called Paul McGrath. Just sayin.

If he turns out to be as good as Mcgrath or Laursen I'll eat my sou'wester