Deano’s wishlist - the Jan transfer speculation/guaranteed nonsense thread

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Chris Mepham turned villa down despite a more lucrative offer

Says who ?

Isn't the rumour that we offered him more but he wanted Premier League football?

[sirlordbaltimore]

Despite all the soundbites from Smith about improving the market value of our players and avoiding loans, we have only gone out and done the exact opposite. It suggests to me that the chaos behind the scenes at Villa Park has only continued and likely problems already between this Jesus/Suso character and Smith.

It suggests to me that this is where we are and the sooner people start to accept it the better.

We aren't a 'pull' now, we're an average championship side that play in front of big crowds. Same as Leeds have been for years.

The reason we've signed some 'names' since we've been in this league is down to us willingly paying them ridiculous wages nobody else would clearly.

Finally we now appear to have people in charge of the purse strings that see the folly in that approach and where it's left us.

Now we try a new way.

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We're not an average championship club in any sense. We're a huge draw for players down here. We routinely have in each window beat other clubs down here to players. Two more in this window alone.

There's absolutely no evidence there's chaos behind the scenes or rifts. I'm not surprised Beontebilly reads that into it though, as he does his best to bring everybody down at every possible occasion.

He could win the Euro Millions and be devastated that his chances of gout would increase or dying in an air disaster become more likely from all the round the world trips.

[Toronto Villa]

I don’t get some of the hysteria. No window is ever perfect and most of us going into this season didn’t even think we could sign anyone and were being wound up.

We’ve got players in and back who will help us based on our needs. We have to trust Dean Smith on the types of players he wanted now and in the future with the deals made this month and those he will make. I don’t give a fuck who Albion got in. A couple of months back we outplayed them and should have won comfortably.

Smith has way more work to do than this window would have solved. We worked within the constraints of FFP, shifted some players and wages, got a bit younger, got players out on loan. And next season we will be very different again to this squad, promotion or not. Let’s wait to see this play out.

[sirlordbaltimore]

We're not an average championship club in any sense. We're a huge draw for players down here. We routinely have in each window beat other clubs down here to players. Two more in this window alone.

Because we've been willing to pay them silly wages

I don't call beating Derby and the Baggies to loan Mings a reason to think we're a huge draw

[sirlordbaltimore]

Chris Mepham turned villa down despite a more lucrative offer

Says who ?

Isn't the rumour that we offered him more but he wanted Premier League football?

A rumour yes.

[robleflaneur]

Despite all the soundbites from Smith about improving the market value of our players and avoiding loans, we have only gone out and done the exact opposite.

All three loans have hardly played this season and two (Mings/Hause) are effectively competing for the same position. Carroll is a shit Barry Bannan and exactly what we didn't need in midfield.

It suggests to me that the chaos behind the scenes at Villa Park has only continued and likely problems already between this Jesus/Suso character and Smith.

Only positive really is that a number of our young players have gone on loan.

Wow.

That's way off the mark,not the 'wow'.Mings and Hause wouldn't be here if they were playing for their Premier League teams.Carroll is not like a shit Bannan.He's played more times in the Premier League despite being 3 years younger and being picked  initially for Spurs was harder than getting into the Villa and Palace teams.If he's an improvement on Hourihane,he's exactly what we need.A holding midfielder doesn't have to be a Jedinak or Whelan type.
Mings and Hause offer flexibility as both can play CB and LB and you could play both.Also we are better covered for injuries,unlike the reckless Bruce approach.
The 2 permanent signings,Kalinic,28,youhg for a keeper and Guilbert,24,do correspond to raising the market value approach.
And how do you come to the conclusion that there is chaos behind the scenes and that Smith and his DOF are at loggerheads ?

[cdward]

We have 6 loan signings because nobody knows what league we will be playing in next season.
Get promotion and we have first refusal on signing some of them permanently.
Stay where we are, and we can return them.

No promotion or bust type signings, just sensible business decisions for where we are right now.

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We're not an average championship club in any sense. We're a huge draw for players down here. We routinely have in each window beat other clubs down here to players. Two more in this window alone.

Because we've been willing to pay them silly wages

I don't call beating Derby and the Baggies to loan Mings a reason to think we're a huge draw

You can't have it both ways. We beat the Albion to Hause and Mings. They wanted to sign them, the players came here instead.

[mallo]

The one thing we can say for certain about what the runes read about this transfer window is that no-one knows anything for certain. I'll just wait and see what happens, be it good, bad or otherwise. If Mings and Hause can stop a couple of clangers a match then we're already on a better footing.

[Clark W Griswold]

All this loaning bollocks does get on my tits though. We need stability on the pitch so I do hope that the 2/3 of them are sitting down regularly now in preparation for a summer of signing half a dozen players of the right age, right attitude, right skill set for what we need and at the right price within sustainability on 4 year deals. I do understand January is difficult and that loans are required for where we're at currently, Mings and Hause in particuglar with view to buy is fine, but I wish we could get into a strategy where we only need to loan players to cover long term injuries and nothing else. We will regularly be playing with 5 loaned players from 11 for fucks sake. Of the 6 we have, 3 of them are try outs, 2 are players that were pretty certain well need to replace (again) in the summer and one shows the half arsed mentality that you expect from someone who knows his stay is only temporary. Then there's the one that went back. It's no long term strategy, and that's what we need.

[brontebilly]

Despite all the soundbites from Smith about improving the market value of our players and avoiding loans, we have only gone out and done the exact opposite.

All three loans have hardly played this season and two (Mings/Hause) are effectively competing for the same position. Carroll is a shit Barry Bannan and exactly what we didn't need in midfield.

It suggests to me that the chaos behind the scenes at Villa Park has only continued and likely problems already between this Jesus/Suso character and Smith.

Only positive really is that a number of our young players have gone on loan.

Wow.

That's way off the mark,not the 'wow'.Mings and Hause wouldn't be here if they were playing for their Premier League teams.Carroll is not like a shit Bannan.He's played more times in the Premier League despite being 3 years younger and being picked  initially for Spurs was harder than getting into the Villa and Palace teams.If he's an improvement on Hourihane,he's exactly what we need.A holding midfielder doesn't have to be a Jedinak or Whelan type.
Mings and Hause offer flexibility as both can play CB and LB and you could play both.Also we are better covered for injuries,unlike the reckless Bruce approach.
The 2 permanent signings,Kalinic,28,youhg for a keeper and Guilbert,24,do correspond to raising the market value approach.
And how do you come to the conclusion that there is chaos behind the scenes and that Smith and his DOF are at loggerheads ?

Carroll has struggled to get game time in the championship this year for Swansea. Bannan is more than competent at this level over a number of years. Neither, nor Fer for that matter, are the mobile holding midfielder we so desperately need. That's poor scouting and the kind of deal that the likes of Bruce would have been justifiably been slated for.

 It's genuinely bizarre how we go all out for Fer but at the last minute pick up his team mate instead. Definitely a Doug Ellis Teddy/Tony type job as an OP referred to it.

Mings (22 games in 4 years) and Hause (24 games in 3 years) aren't just recently out of favour in their previous clubs, they are desperately short of match practice as Hause so clearly illustrated in his one game for us so far. Very strange duo to sign in Jan. At least Elphick has come back match fit.

[Clark W Griswold]

Was that definitely true about the Cascarino/Sherigham thing? Pretty hilarious if so.

[Ian.]

It suggests to me that the chaos behind the scenes at Villa Park has only continued and likely problems already between this Jesus/Suso character and Smith.

2 + 2 = 5

Chaos behind the scenes? I'd say that might be pure speculation on your part.

[Clampy]

It suggests to me that the chaos behind the scenes at Villa Park has only continued and likely problems already between this Jesus/Suso character and Smith.

2 + 2 = 5

Chaos behind the scenes? I'd say that might be pure speculation on your part.

Yep, posted without any proof whatsoever.