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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13455 on: May 26, 2021, 12:52:49 PM »
I can well imagine that in a few years time, when Deano gets bored with winning everything, Mark Delaney will become manager.

John Terry may be ahead of him in the queue.

I think, with no evidence whatsoever, that Terry will be a better number two than boss.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13456 on: May 26, 2021, 12:58:10 PM »
I don't know how much it's due to the influence of Dean Smith alone, but he and the team around him seem to have the knack of improving players who are either already at the club or have been brought in with a very underwhelming response from the fans. Which of the following have not improved their performances? I would include virtually the whole of the defence in simply getting better as the season wore on, starting with Matt Targett who received a very muted welcome when he came and even a shrug of the shoulders from Southampton fans I know who were not particularly bothered he was going. What a season he has had! Konsa has steadily improved to the extent that even the BBC sports pages were somewhat disappointed he didn't make the provisional international squad. Hause, after a terrible first couple of games as a rejected Wolves player, has become a reliable option to come in (Magnificent against Chelsea). Mings - well we all know about Tyrone; brilliant season. Compare this with his status at Bournemouth. Cash also steadily improving apart from the occasional rashness. Midfield, Nakamba has just been getting better and better and could turn into our own Kante. McGinn has been nurtured through his bad injury and is now back to his best, while El Ghazi and Trez have also chipped in and made the transformation from Championship to Premier.
My view is that, with the clearly improved coaching they are getting through O'Kelly, Shakespeare, Terry with Smith at the helm, they could be being coached by the dream team; and with the youth team doing so well under Verity and Bramley and others connected to them, we'll have some good ones coming through, some of whom have already made it. The youth team looked so well-coached the other night I could hardly believe they are 17 years old. Exciting times for Villa with room for a few new faces but a lot of talent already within the club ready for further development.


Agree with all your points Martyn

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13457 on: May 26, 2021, 12:59:45 PM »
A really top quality protector in front of the defence with Nakamba as back-up would be a massive piece of the jigsaw and probably the last piece defensively. Offensively, we need a 10 and a top quality right sided midfielder.
I’ve asked on here before but who is currently considered the world’s best midfield enforcer?

As per Google search today for current best DM:

8 – Wilfried Ndidi. ...
7 – Saúl Ñíguez. ...
6 – Frenkie de Jong. ...
5 – Fabinho. ...
4 – Casemiro. ...
3 – Leon Goretzka. ...
2 – N'Golo Kanté ...
1 – Joshua Kimmich.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13458 on: May 26, 2021, 01:22:26 PM »
A really top quality protector in front of the defence with Nakamba as back-up would be a massive piece of the jigsaw and probably the last piece defensively. Offensively, we need a 10 and a top quality right sided midfielder.
I’ve asked on here before but who is currently considered the world’s best midfield enforcer?

As per Google search today for current best DM:

8 – Wilfried Ndidi. ...
7 – Saúl Ñíguez. ...
6 – Frenkie de Jong. ...
5 – Fabinho. ...
4 – Casemiro. ...
3 – Leon Goretzka. ...
2 – N'Golo Kanté ...
1 – Joshua Kimmich.

Looks about right, I'd have Rodri in there as well and last summer I'd have included Partay. There's a guy at Monaco that looks the bollocks as well.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13459 on: May 26, 2021, 01:50:01 PM »
I know who you mean Paul, and I'm not going to attempt to spell it either.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13460 on: May 26, 2021, 02:01:10 PM »
I don't know how much it's due to the influence of Dean Smith alone, but he and the team around him seem to have the knack of improving players who are either already at the club or have been brought in with a very underwhelming response from the fans.

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My view is that, with the clearly improved coaching they are getting through O'Kelly, Shakespeare, Terry with Smith at the helm, they could be being coached by the dream team; and with the youth team doing so well under Verity and Bramley and others connected to them, we'll have some good ones coming through, some of whom have already made it. The youth team looked so well-coached the other night I could hardly believe they are 17 years old. Exciting times for Villa with room for a few new faces but a lot of talent already within the club ready for further development.

I agree too. It's good to see this sort of understanding on this site rather than the screech of titty-babbies whenever a result goes against us or a performance is less than perfect. It's a complex process coaching and managing a PL team, not always a regular, smooth upward progression.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13461 on: May 26, 2021, 02:08:18 PM »
I don't know how much it's due to the influence of Dean Smith alone, but he and the team around him seem to have the knack of improving players who are either already at the club or have been brought in with a very underwhelming response from the fans.

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My view is that, with the clearly improved coaching they are getting through O'Kelly, Shakespeare, Terry with Smith at the helm, they could be being coached by the dream team; and with the youth team doing so well under Verity and Bramley and others connected to them, we'll have some good ones coming through, some of whom have already made it. The youth team looked so well-coached the other night I could hardly believe they are 17 years old. Exciting times for Villa with room for a few new faces but a lot of talent already within the club ready for further development.

I agree too. It's good to see this sort of understanding on this site rather than the screech of titty-babbies whenever a result goes against us or a performance is less than perfect. It's a complex process coaching and managing a PL team, not always a regular, smooth upward progression.

This rhetoric isn't helpful Allan.  Just because someone has a different view to you - most recently being dissapointed by a very extensive poor run - it's hardly a 'screech of titty-babies' as you so eloquently put it.  This wasn't an outcry after one bad result, it was people taking a measured view over a reasonable period of time.  I didn't call for Smith to be sacked but I thought it was perfectly reasonable to question his performace in the second half of the season.

This forum is a place for mostly reasonable discussion and debate.  If you can't handle that then maybe an echo chamber elsewhere would be more up your street?
« Last Edit: May 26, 2021, 02:09:56 PM by chrisw1 »

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13462 on: May 26, 2021, 02:19:36 PM »
“Titty babbies”? Good grief. He deserved the criticism he got while Jack was out as we fell completely off the cliff. Having spent a lot of money the drop off should not have been as steep as it was. That our results markedly improved once Jack played a full game wasn’t a shock, but there was a prolonged stretch where we were really poor. Just look at the 2021 stats heading into the last week.

Nobody who criticized him wanted him to fail or get sacked. But I can only speak for myself here that also wasn’t tied to Dean Smith emotionally as no one man is bigger than the club. We’ve had great managers and players across our history. And will again. All I give a shit about is the club, and I hope we continue to build and grow. If that’s with the current manager, then even better.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13463 on: May 26, 2021, 02:31:52 PM »
If your upset by the tiity-babbies comment  you're probably proving the point.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13464 on: May 26, 2021, 02:46:14 PM »
If your upset by the tiity-babbies comment  you're probably proving the point.
What point is that Lee?  That anybody who is crital of the team is a screeching titty-baby and everybody who isn't has a deep understanding of complex process of coaching and managing a PL team?

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13465 on: May 26, 2021, 02:47:56 PM »
If your upset by the tiity-babbies comment  you're probably proving the point.
It hardly helps the quality of debate. He complains about standard of posting then calls every one that disagrees with him screeching Titty Babies.
I am going to throw my rattle out of the pram so there.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13466 on: May 26, 2021, 02:52:10 PM »
If your upset by the tiity-babbies comment  you're probably proving the point.

sorry that's utter nonsense. So we should go around calling people names when views differ from yours or others? It's no different to the happy clappers bollocks. Is Allan a Happy Clapper for saying everything was rosy as we posted relegation form for 4 months? No, he saw things more optimistically which is fine. It doesn't make the contrary observation wrong.
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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13467 on: May 26, 2021, 03:30:16 PM »
“Titty babbies”? Good grief. He deserved the criticism he got while Jack was out as we fell completely off the cliff. Having spent a lot of money the drop off should not have been as steep as it was. That our results markedly improved once Jack played a full game wasn’t a shock, but there was a prolonged stretch where we were really poor. Just look at the 2021 stats heading into the last week.

Nobody who criticized him wanted him to fail or get sacked. But I can only speak for myself here that also wasn’t tied to Dean Smith emotionally as no one man is bigger than the club. We’ve had great managers and players across our history. And will again. All I give a shit about is the club, and I hope we continue to build and grow. If that’s with the current manager, then even better.
Whilst I disagree with the “titty babies” comment, I think it’s fair to say that a few of the more voiceiferous posters were certainly leaning towards Smiths sacking with the language they used. My point has always been that the relatively poor performances coincided with factors such as Covid, injury to key players, lack of squad depth and fatigue. These factors cannot be overlooked when looking at what went wrong but some seem to place the blame solely at Smiths feet without considering them.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13468 on: May 26, 2021, 03:49:05 PM »
With no qualification i would say that being a football manager is similar to any other job. Some days no matter what you do things just don't right, and other days everything is just effortless and a breeze. I wouldn't imagine Deans approach and work ethic is any different whether he is on a 10 game winning streak or a 1 win in 10. If you've got the quality it will come through in the end (see Klopp this season)

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #13469 on: May 26, 2021, 04:22:06 PM »
If your upset by the tiity-babbies comment  you're probably proving the point.

sorry that's utter nonsense. So we should go around calling people names when views differ from yours or others? It's no different to the happy clappers bollocks. Is Allan a Happy Clapper for saying everything was rosy as we posted relegation form for 4 months? No, he saw things more optimistically which is fine. It doesn't make the contrary observation wrong.

If your upset by the tiity-babbies comment  you're probably proving the point.
It hardly helps the quality of debate. He complains about standard of posting then calls every one that disagrees with him screeching Titty Babies.
I am going to throw my rattle out of the pram so there.
If your upset by the tiity-babbies comment  you're probably proving the point.
What point is that Lee?  That anybody who is crital of the team is a screeching titty-baby and everybody who isn't has a deep understanding of complex process of coaching and managing a PL team?


The next three posts after mine.

I wouldn't say the label applied to any of you three for what it's worth, and I don't think the original post was, but it certainly applies to some. Personally, I avoided the site at times after a bad result because of it.

 


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