Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 21, 2021, 02:51:04 PMIf we improve season on season (which we currently are since Dean came in) then although the margins for error get slimmer we will eventually get to the top. If we get too high too soon then the drop back is huge - incremental improvements through coaching youngsters and purchasing top quality players in key positions will do it.I am as impatient as the next fan but this journey feels more secure than any other time with our Millionaire owners previously.These people are the real deal Indeed, and I'm happy to sit back and enjoy the ride. Risso's up front though nagging the driver with "Are we there yet?", and john e is worried were not going to get there in time.
If we improve season on season (which we currently are since Dean came in) then although the margins for error get slimmer we will eventually get to the top. If we get too high too soon then the drop back is huge - incremental improvements through coaching youngsters and purchasing top quality players in key positions will do it.I am as impatient as the next fan but this journey feels more secure than any other time with our Millionaire owners previously.These people are the real deal
Quote from: Risso on May 21, 2021, 01:36:58 PMAssuming he stays here for next season, I think as long we're challenging for things Jack will be happy. No more of this "10th place is better than 11th so we're still improving" way of thinking.No more of? Who's intimated they are thinking that way? Or is it just nonsense to try and prove a point about 'Dismal Dean' and his supporters?
Assuming he stays here for next season, I think as long we're challenging for things Jack will be happy. No more of this "10th place is better than 11th so we're still improving" way of thinking.
If we could win the FA Cup with Jack as captain, I don't think any of us would begrudge whatever move he may make after. Doesn't sound too small-time, does it?
One thing I've liked this season is that we've gone into nearly every game thinking we can get something out of it. OK, we haven't obviously but being confident beforehand is a nice feeling and not something we're used to.
Quote from: Clampy on May 21, 2021, 01:04:28 PMOne thing I've liked this season is that we've gone into nearly every game thinking we can get something out of it. OK, we haven't obviously but being confident beforehand is a nice feeling and not something we're used to.Exactly my feeling too. One of my all time favourite Villa moments was (I think) before Christmas, and Jack and company were playing '76/77 football. Then the camera focussed on Jack's face - apart from his infectious smile his eyes were ablaze. This was Dean's Premier League team playing like kids in the park and just having a whale of a time.
Quote from: sickbeggar on May 21, 2021, 01:32:31 PMQuote from: Lastfootstamper on May 21, 2021, 01:25:27 PMQuote from: sickbeggar on May 21, 2021, 12:07:05 PMI just don't see the correlation with getting Europe and Grealish staying. What's the agenda or assumption? Grealish will stay if we get into Europe? Win a cup? CL place? Win the league? MON got into Europe and got to a cup final. People like Barry still left. Unless the club are planning to throw City type levels of money at us, I really can't see us winning the league before Grealish is in his 30's. I presume he wants to win things so getting into Europe isn't really fulfilling that. We didn't get to a cup final under O'Neill while Barry was still here. And MON hardly went all guns blazing at the uefa cup.Point taken, but players still left whether that's Barry, Milner or Young. Whoever. It's like Kane saying he wants to "win things". Well CL finals and 2nd place finishes obviously isn't that to him. So i'm not sure progress like a 5th place finish is going to be enough to keep Grealish. True, we could lose Grealish next month never mind next seasonI think the main difference is moneyI know we don’t like talking about it we want to do things in a steady and ethical way but without it you can’t have the ambition these players want to see, like Spurs no money no chanceArsenal can’t even afford to keep Gunnersaurous yet think they are in the hat for Grealish First time in our lives our finances are better than anyone else in football apart from maybe oneAnd I agree with Nev in a previous post about not going about it in a Man City way but at some point or other You’re going to have to spend big to compete and we can which gives us a massive advantageIf Spurs lose Kane and we keep Grealish we should be overtaking them next seasonPlayers leave to go to more ambitious clubsWe are that more ambitious club
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on May 21, 2021, 01:25:27 PMQuote from: sickbeggar on May 21, 2021, 12:07:05 PMI just don't see the correlation with getting Europe and Grealish staying. What's the agenda or assumption? Grealish will stay if we get into Europe? Win a cup? CL place? Win the league? MON got into Europe and got to a cup final. People like Barry still left. Unless the club are planning to throw City type levels of money at us, I really can't see us winning the league before Grealish is in his 30's. I presume he wants to win things so getting into Europe isn't really fulfilling that. We didn't get to a cup final under O'Neill while Barry was still here. And MON hardly went all guns blazing at the uefa cup.Point taken, but players still left whether that's Barry, Milner or Young. Whoever. It's like Kane saying he wants to "win things". Well CL finals and 2nd place finishes obviously isn't that to him. So i'm not sure progress like a 5th place finish is going to be enough to keep Grealish.
Quote from: sickbeggar on May 21, 2021, 12:07:05 PMI just don't see the correlation with getting Europe and Grealish staying. What's the agenda or assumption? Grealish will stay if we get into Europe? Win a cup? CL place? Win the league? MON got into Europe and got to a cup final. People like Barry still left. Unless the club are planning to throw City type levels of money at us, I really can't see us winning the league before Grealish is in his 30's. I presume he wants to win things so getting into Europe isn't really fulfilling that. We didn't get to a cup final under O'Neill while Barry was still here. And MON hardly went all guns blazing at the uefa cup.
I just don't see the correlation with getting Europe and Grealish staying. What's the agenda or assumption? Grealish will stay if we get into Europe? Win a cup? CL place? Win the league? MON got into Europe and got to a cup final. People like Barry still left. Unless the club are planning to throw City type levels of money at us, I really can't see us winning the league before Grealish is in his 30's. I presume he wants to win things so getting into Europe isn't really fulfilling that.
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 21, 2021, 03:57:27 PMQuote from: Clampy on May 21, 2021, 01:04:28 PMOne thing I've liked this season is that we've gone into nearly every game thinking we can get something out of it. OK, we haven't obviously but being confident beforehand is a nice feeling and not something we're used to.Exactly my feeling too. One of my all time favourite Villa moments was (I think) before Christmas, and Jack and company were playing '76/77 football. Then the camera focussed on Jack's face - apart from his infectious smile his eyes were ablaze. This was Dean's Premier League team playing like kids in the park and just having a whale of a time.This team have bought me more joy through the exuberance of play at times than any since Little's team.
As a matter of interest. Where do folks think we'd be now if Jack hadn't been injured? He obviously improves the players around him and frightens the cack out of the opposition. I don't think it's too optimistic to put us 7th or 8th.
Quote from: Hockley Lion on May 21, 2021, 06:17:19 PMAs a matter of interest. Where do folks think we'd be now if Jack hadn't been injured? He obviously improves the players around him and frightens the cack out of the opposition. I don't think it's too optimistic to put us 7th or 8th.Equally where would Spurs be if they had achieved the rip off of all time?
Quote from: jwarry on May 21, 2021, 06:22:13 PMQuote from: Hockley Lion on May 21, 2021, 06:17:19 PMAs a matter of interest. Where do folks think we'd be now if Jack hadn't been injured? He obviously improves the players around him and frightens the cack out of the opposition. I don't think it's too optimistic to put us 7th or 8th.Equally where would Spurs be if they had achieved the rip off of all time?It still makes me laugh when I think about that. In our hour of need Levy tried to fuck us over - probably the biggest mistake of his career. We only wanted £25m and he had to try it on. I hope the Spurs fans remind him about it regulalrly.
Quote from: LeeB on May 21, 2021, 04:04:41 PMQuote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 21, 2021, 03:57:27 PMQuote from: Clampy on May 21, 2021, 01:04:28 PMOne thing I've liked this season is that we've gone into nearly every game thinking we can get something out of it. OK, we haven't obviously but being confident beforehand is a nice feeling and not something we're used to.Exactly my feeling too. One of my all time favourite Villa moments was (I think) before Christmas, and Jack and company were playing '76/77 football. Then the camera focussed on Jack's face - apart from his infectious smile his eyes were ablaze. This was Dean's Premier League team playing like kids in the park and just having a whale of a time.This team have bought me more joy through the exuberance of play at times than any since Little's team.We've beaten Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Leeds, Leicester and of course destroyed Liverpool. It's the best season for many a year and the joy of some of those wins, like the other night but particularly Liverpool has made every single one of us want more. And we're not scared now. Next step, the FA Cup. I'd honestly die happy if we did it as it's the only one we haven't won in my lifetime. Though the UEFA Cup would be nice.