Dean Smith - Confirmed

[chrisw1]

Nothing has changed for me from Sunday. Smith is as capable of getting the result he did last night as he is the one on Sunday but to keep his role, and stating the bloody obvious, he needs more of the former and less of the latter. Hopefully that will come with a developing squad and his own personal development as a manager and I think he more than deserves the opportunity to do this.

He'll go eventually, all managers do, but to judge him solely on his misgivings rather than the positive aspects of his tenure is myopic, biased and unfair and to me smacks of snobbery and an overwhelming desire of some to say "I told you so".

As ever Sir Graham had it right, you stand and fall on your results, it will be no different for Smith.

This is all a bit pompous Nev.  Who exactly has judged him solely on his misgivings rather than the positive aspects of his tenure?  I think most people who have criticised him (on here certainly) have done so with full acknowledgment of his achievments with us.  Commenting on a manager's / team's performance over half a season isn't biased, myopic or unfair.  It's making a reasoned judgment over an extended period of time.  Yes he'll be judged on his results.  And rightly so.  I'm sure we all hope that they will be mostly like the first half of this season not the second.

In general terms I believe the inference is that he has taken us as far as he can and I don't think we are at that point yet.

Some people have said that yes (not me btw).  But how is that ignoring the positive aspects of his tenure, myopic, biased, unfair, snobbish and reflecting an overwhelming desire to say "I told you so"?

It's just peole giving a view on a football forum based on an extended run of results.  They'll either be proved wrong (hopefully) or right.

[Drummond]

If we're still improving season on season then nobody knows he's taken us as far as he can. To be honest, if we finished 11th again next season it wouldn't necessarily suggest it even then. Nobody would say Klopp was a bad manager but they are about to scrape their way into the Top 4 after running away with the league last season. There are ebbs and flows, always have been, so far though, we have a poor run in the season but it isn't stopping our overall upward trajectory.

[Damo70]

I certainly don't think he has taken us as far as he can. I think he is still improving the team and also improving himself as a manager/coach.

[Risso]

Nothing has changed for me from Sunday. Smith is as capable of getting the result he did last night as he is the one on Sunday but to keep his role, and stating the bloody obvious, he needs more of the former and less of the latter. Hopefully that will come with a developing squad and his own personal development as a manager and I think he more than deserves the opportunity to do this.

He'll go eventually, all managers do, but to judge him solely on his misgivings rather than the positive aspects of his tenure is myopic, biased and unfair and to me smacks of snobbery and an overwhelming desire of some to say "I told you so".

As ever Sir Graham had it right, you stand and fall on your results, it will be no different for Smith.

This is all a bit pompous Nev. 

You might want to give the politics threads a miss then.

[sickbeggar]

heheheh

[chrisw1]

Nothing has changed for me from Sunday. Smith is as capable of getting the result he did last night as he is the one on Sunday but to keep his role, and stating the bloody obvious, he needs more of the former and less of the latter. Hopefully that will come with a developing squad and his own personal development as a manager and I think he more than deserves the opportunity to do this.

He'll go eventually, all managers do, but to judge him solely on his misgivings rather than the positive aspects of his tenure is myopic, biased and unfair and to me smacks of snobbery and an overwhelming desire of some to say "I told you so".

As ever Sir Graham had it right, you stand and fall on your results, it will be no different for Smith.

This is all a bit pompous Nev. 

You might want to give the politics threads a miss then.

Always have and always will.  Life's too short to dip my toe in that minefield.

[Nev]

Nothing has changed for me from Sunday. Smith is as capable of getting the result he did last night as he is the one on Sunday but to keep his role, and stating the bloody obvious, he needs more of the former and less of the latter. Hopefully that will come with a developing squad and his own personal development as a manager and I think he more than deserves the opportunity to do this.

He'll go eventually, all managers do, but to judge him solely on his misgivings rather than the positive aspects of his tenure is myopic, biased and unfair and to me smacks of snobbery and an overwhelming desire of some to say "I told you so".

As ever Sir Graham had it right, you stand and fall on your results, it will be no different for Smith.

This is all a bit pompous Nev.  Who exactly has judged him solely on his misgivings rather than the positive aspects of his tenure?  I think most people who have criticised him (on here certainly) have done so with full acknowledgment of his achievments with us.  Commenting on a manager's / team's performance over half a season isn't biased, myopic or unfair.  It's making a reasoned judgment over an extended period of time.  Yes he'll be judged on his results.  And rightly so.  I'm sure we all hope that they will be mostly like the first half of this season not the second.

In general terms I believe the inference is that he has taken us as far as he can and I don't think we are at that point yet.

Some people have said that yes (not me btw).  But how is that ignoring the positive aspects of his tenure, myopic, biased, unfair, snobbish and reflecting an overwhelming desire to say "I told you so"?

It's just peole giving a view on a football forum based on an extended run of results.  They'll either be proved wrong (hopefully) or right.

Because it only considers the negative and not the positive? If he's taken us as far as he can then the opinion is that he can't improve us any more, he improved us in 4 days judging by the last 2 results.

I often think that in general terms, on this forum and beyond that given the presence of the glamorous billionaires that own us, having a ginger Brummie from Great Barr isn't "sexy" enough for some fans and that erodes the patience in the light of poor results. There may also be the feeling that he is given too much slack by others due to his support for the club and that this shouldn't cloud the judgement of his ability, which of course is quite correct, but that shouldn't haste his departure either.

For some, the questions marks are too big for Smith to be considered long term, for others such as myself, he deserves the chance to answer them.

[chrisw1]

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[ROBBO]

He was a lot more animated on the touchline at Spurs.

[Toronto Villa]

He was a lot more animated on the touchline at Spurs.

Noticeably. I don’t need him going full Pep, but a bit more spice clearly get his message across. And after a quick start in the second half by Spurs there were adjustments made that evened things out, actually put us back on the front foot. By the end we should have won much more comfortably

[john e]

Doesn’t last game night’s game prove what we already know
When Grealish plays we win more games and can beat anyone

[sickbeggar]

Doesn’t last game night’s game prove what we already know
When Grealish plays we win more games and can beat anyone

yeah but that isn't a managerial limitation really.  Unless you have an open chequebook for 100m players as reserves. He could certainly do with a system where we can do without Grealish but not replacing him as such.

[john e]

Doesn’t last game night’s game prove what we already know
When Grealish plays we win more games and can beat anyone

yeah but that isn't a managerial limitation really.  Unless you have an open chequebook for 100m players as reserves. He could certainly do with a system where we can do without Grealish but not replacing him as such.

we are a top 6 side with him and a bottom 6 side without him
so whatever it is it needs addressing this summertime

[LeeB]

There's also more to the job than just the results, the spirit of togetherness, professionalism and improvement he's fostered at the club isn't to be sniffed at. The players clearly buy into him.

I'd have said the same of Pochettinho at Spurs, and throwing him out to bring in 'proven' Mourinho has clearly chucked everything they'd built out the window. Lol.

[not3bad]

Doesn’t last game night’s game prove what we already know
When Grealish plays we win more games and can beat anyone

yeah but that isn't a managerial limitation really.  Unless you have an open chequebook for 100m players as reserves. He could certainly do with a system where we can do without Grealish but not replacing him as such.

we are a top 6 side with him and a bottom 6 side without him
so whatever it is it needs addressing this summertime

To take a positive view I've heard that without Grealish this season we are as good (or bad) as we were with Grealish last season. So that's progress.