And the recruitment team. Imagine the current lot trying to buy to right players for the Championship.
Quote from: DB on July 10, 2020, 10:28:16 PMAnd the recruitment team. Imagine the current lot trying to buy to right players for the Championship.They've done it once!
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 10, 2020, 10:34:35 PMQuote from: DB on July 10, 2020, 10:28:16 PMAnd the recruitment team. Imagine the current lot trying to buy to right players for the Championship.They've done it once!Apart from Mings and Hause, all the main players that got promoted were here before Smith and Suso. Unless you count Kalinic and Carroll.
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 10, 2020, 03:14:00 PMQuote from: Holte L2 on July 10, 2020, 09:39:39 AMQuote from: Ads on July 10, 2020, 09:31:47 AMQuote from: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:24:31 AMQuote from: Ads on July 10, 2020, 09:13:22 AMQuote from: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:06:57 AMJT and Smith will go after this - regardless of what happens next four matches I think you're right.Issue is. They both know it You heard out about who might be a replacement?The thing i keep coming back to is, who are we going to get in that would do any better?Whichever way you look at it those group of players aren't good enough at this level. And if thats Suso and Purslow's recruitment then they need to be held accountable. Smith's job title is head coach. Not Manager.Dyche has been suggested but I'd still doubt that he would be able to get any better out of the squad. Thats the same Dyche that relegated Burnley in their first season back in the Premiership.We all new this season would be a struggle based on the turnaround in numbers of the playing squad. I'd stick with Deano and get rid of Suso. Time we appoint a manager who's won major trophies recently and managed at top level (and isn't about 65 as Houllier was when we got him).Very difficult if you're in championship but other clubs have shown that if the project is good enough they'll come.Last time we went down we appointed someone who'd won the european cup four years previously although taking the job seemed to make him lose any common sense e.g. thinking we could storm the league playing 4-2-4.Still just because that didn't work dosen't mean similar appointments would be doomed to failure.Don’t know what you’re smoking mate but if you’re in the Sutton area can you drop some by? I don’t know if you’ve noticed at all but we’re not exactly an attractive proposition. We’re getting relegated and about to lose arguably our 3 best players as a result.
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 10, 2020, 09:39:39 AMQuote from: Ads on July 10, 2020, 09:31:47 AMQuote from: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:24:31 AMQuote from: Ads on July 10, 2020, 09:13:22 AMQuote from: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:06:57 AMJT and Smith will go after this - regardless of what happens next four matches I think you're right.Issue is. They both know it You heard out about who might be a replacement?The thing i keep coming back to is, who are we going to get in that would do any better?Whichever way you look at it those group of players aren't good enough at this level. And if thats Suso and Purslow's recruitment then they need to be held accountable. Smith's job title is head coach. Not Manager.Dyche has been suggested but I'd still doubt that he would be able to get any better out of the squad. Thats the same Dyche that relegated Burnley in their first season back in the Premiership.We all new this season would be a struggle based on the turnaround in numbers of the playing squad. I'd stick with Deano and get rid of Suso. Time we appoint a manager who's won major trophies recently and managed at top level (and isn't about 65 as Houllier was when we got him).Very difficult if you're in championship but other clubs have shown that if the project is good enough they'll come.Last time we went down we appointed someone who'd won the european cup four years previously although taking the job seemed to make him lose any common sense e.g. thinking we could storm the league playing 4-2-4.Still just because that didn't work dosen't mean similar appointments would be doomed to failure.
Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2020, 09:31:47 AMQuote from: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:24:31 AMQuote from: Ads on July 10, 2020, 09:13:22 AMQuote from: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:06:57 AMJT and Smith will go after this - regardless of what happens next four matches I think you're right.Issue is. They both know it You heard out about who might be a replacement?The thing i keep coming back to is, who are we going to get in that would do any better?Whichever way you look at it those group of players aren't good enough at this level. And if thats Suso and Purslow's recruitment then they need to be held accountable. Smith's job title is head coach. Not Manager.Dyche has been suggested but I'd still doubt that he would be able to get any better out of the squad. Thats the same Dyche that relegated Burnley in their first season back in the Premiership.We all new this season would be a struggle based on the turnaround in numbers of the playing squad. I'd stick with Deano and get rid of Suso.
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:24:31 AMQuote from: Ads on July 10, 2020, 09:13:22 AMQuote from: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:06:57 AMJT and Smith will go after this - regardless of what happens next four matches I think you're right.Issue is. They both know it You heard out about who might be a replacement?
Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2020, 09:13:22 AMQuote from: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:06:57 AMJT and Smith will go after this - regardless of what happens next four matches I think you're right.Issue is. They both know it
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:06:57 AMJT and Smith will go after this - regardless of what happens next four matches I think you're right.
JT and Smith will go after this - regardless of what happens next four matches
why? Newcastle didn't sell everyone when they went down. Why do we need to? We're not skint. They are all under contract. New players joined a newly promoted side so they all knew what they were getting into. Unless they have clauses we can hold on to everyone unless the right offer comes in. There is a very good chance we will keep most of them. And frankly why would a new manager join if the first they will do is sell everyone? We will want to give ourselves the very best chance of getting back up.
Quote from: rougegorge on July 10, 2020, 11:03:09 PMQuote from: Sexual Ealing on July 10, 2020, 10:34:35 PMQuote from: DB on July 10, 2020, 10:28:16 PMAnd the recruitment team. Imagine the current lot trying to buy to right players for the Championship.They've done it once!Apart from Mings and Hause, all the main players that got promoted were here before Smith and Suso. Unless you count Kalinic and Carroll.I meant this season's signings. It was a (not very good) joke.
Quote from: OzVilla on July 10, 2020, 12:33:55 PMAgreed, we had 13 players to get in for around £130 million. That really is bargain basement squad building at PL level. Could we have spent better, yes. But could we have spent more, no.My amazement with Suso is we simply didn't use any contacts he had at Atletico Madrid or Valencia given he's worked at both in last 10 years.Given how weak we've been in defensive midfield this season surely an obvious target would've been someone like Francis Cocquelin, in and out of the Valencia team this year. Played over 100 games for Arsenal etc. Season long loan with agreement to sign him for 15-20m if we stayed up.Purslow just rejecting loans last summer wasn't the brightest idea especially with the u turn in January.Next time we're up we need to start targeting players from better leagues as with the greatest respect I can't see us challenging for top 8 anytime soon signing players from Belgium and mid table Turkish teams. It's an easy example but Newcastle signed Saint-Maximin from Nice for inital 16.5m (so only a few million more than what we spent on Konsa and Targett) and 40k a week.They could sell him for three times that amount in August if they wished or just give him a big pay increase to keep him but that is more proven player than any outfield player he signed, El Ghazi was just a bit part player in the same league for example.
Agreed, we had 13 players to get in for around £130 million. That really is bargain basement squad building at PL level. Could we have spent better, yes. But could we have spent more, no.