Dean Smith - Confirmed

[Damo70]

If we stay up and if a manager, such as Sean Dyche cane and we finished 14-10th for two seasons, and then a bigger “name” was employed, and we then pushed on, what’s the issue with that. Of course it is all hypothetical

If we do somehow manage to stay up, then I think he will have just about deserved the chance to improve on things next season, although it would be a very short window of opportunity I would think. 

The thought of relegation and the total rebuild that would be required is just a horrible thought really, so I've not even been able to contemplate what would happen in that eventuality,

That’s fair enough, tbh my post was / is about people being against a Sean Dyche type of appointment. As I have said I don’t understand that opinion, but it’s an opinion and fine. I don’t see how we attract a big named manager who plays amazing football, where we are and the FFP that could stop some players coming. I think we need to build from a strong base of experience and that could be Sean. Of course my argument has problems because Bruce should have been that. For what it’s worth I think that Dean should go if we stop up or go down. The whole thing with inexperienced manager, players and coaches has been a problem.

Agree with that.  During our recent years in the top flight, we have desperately needed someone to come in for a couple of seasons and steady things.  Many people turn their noses up at the likes of Allardyce, but I can't imagine the football would be worse than some of the absolute dross we have seen served up over the past decade.

I also agree with your comment that Steve Bruce should have been that, but he has a way of playing which might be understandable when matched against top outfits in the Premier League, but not so understandable at home to Rotherham in the Championship.

You can't compare Allardyce and Bruce. Bruce has been relegated from the Premier League as a manager. Allardyce has never been relegated from the Premier League. He kept Bolton, Newcastle ,Blackburn and Sunderland up against the odds. All four were relegated after he left. He also kept Palace and Everton up who were both looking nailed on for relegation before he took over mid season.

[eamonn]

So you'd rate him over Nan's Hair then ?

[KevinGage]

Boils my piss whenever people defend Terry's coaching by saying he doesn't have overall responsibility for the defence. Yeah, maybe so, but he's one of the best defenders the country has produced and a head coach at the club. I would like to think he has advice to offer and influence over the team as a whole.

Aye. But what if the head coach says scrap that?   Terry wasn't Smith's choice ultimately as an assistant. He tolerated the situation to get the job he wants.  Maybe he listens to Terry, maybe he doesn't.

[ChicagoLion]

We have no idea what Terrys involvement influence is, what we do know is that he reports to Smith.

[curiousorange]

Why would Terry have stayed as an assistant for so long if he was being ignored?

[ChicagoLion]

Why would Terry have stayed as an assistant for so long if he was being ignored?

Who said he was being ignored?

[curiousorange]

Comment above said that maybe Smith listens to him, maybe he doesn't. That would be a strange way to operate.

[Damo70]

I always think it is pointless to debate how good or bad the assistant manager/number two is as nobody really knows the dynamic and what they do or don't do and what say they do or don't have. It must be a thankless task being a number two. If the team is doing well the manager gets all the credit. If the team are struggling the manager gets most of the stick but the assistant gets criticized and questioned too.

[Sexual Ealing]

I always think it is pointless to debate how good or bad the assistant manager/number two is as nobody really knows the dynamic and what they do or don't do and what say they do or don't have. It must be a thankless task being a number two. If the team is doing well the manager gets all the credit. If the team are struggling the manager gets most of the stick but the assistant gets criticized and questioned too.

I agree that it's difficult to judge him as a coach. An open and shutcase, however, when judging him as a human. I really wish he'd fuck off.

[Damo70]

Comment above said that maybe Smith listens to him, maybe he doesn't. That would be a strange way to operate.

I am sure Smith listens to every single word Terry says. I would think the question is how much of that advice Smith chooses to agree with, take on board and act on and how much advice he chooses to ignore.

[eamonn]

I always think it is pointless to debate how good or bad the assistant manager/number two is as nobody really knows the dynamic and what they do or don't do and what say they do or don't have. It must be a thankless task being a number two. If the team is doing well the manager gets all the credit. If the team are struggling the manager gets most of the stick but the assistant gets criticized and questioned too.

I agree that it's difficult to judge him as a coach. An open and shutcase, however, when judging him as a human. I really wish he'd fuck off.

Is he not redeemable ?

[Sexual Ealing]

I always think it is pointless to debate how good or bad the assistant manager/number two is as nobody really knows the dynamic and what they do or don't do and what say they do or don't have. It must be a thankless task being a number two. If the team is doing well the manager gets all the credit. If the team are struggling the manager gets most of the stick but the assistant gets criticized and questioned too.

I agree that it's difficult to judge him as a coach. An open and shutcase, however, when judging him as a human. I really wish he'd fuck off.

Is he not redeemable ?

He can redeem himself elsewhere.

[john e]

when Smith first arrived you could see the difference in our playing style immediately
it wasn't always successful results wise but you could see what he was trying to do
pass and move, quick free kicks keep possession, front foot football even when taking a risk was sometimes costly

i was excited at last we had a manger who knew what he was doing, and taking us in the right direction
oh i thought when he brings his own players in who will be hand picked to play the way he wants we will have a proper football team worth watching

what happened, i have no idea what his playing style is now or where he is trying to go with any sort of tactics or formations
every game i'm thinking what on earth are we trying to do here
the whole thing is a shambles

he has morphed into every British manager we ever had and some foreign ones to over the last 8 years
i'm so disappointed
and not because we are fighting relegation and our results are poor that to some degree was expected
but because we look lost, the manager looks lost

he doesn't seem to be able to motivate the players for big winnable games either before the match or at half time
and his use and timings of subs to change a game in our favour is awful, and i'm trying to be kind

its not working and i don't think he can turn it round into what i was hoping it was going to be when he first arrived
i like Dean Smith i obviously want him to be successful with us
but i have sadly lost faith in him

[Sexual Ealing]

The players on the pitch aren't good enough. Whoever signed them (and I doubt that it was Smith, largely) needs to take ultimate responsibility.

[Ian.]

I’m a bit worried he thinks having two up front means you can’t squeeze Jack in. You watch Jack sign for someone this summer on a record fee and sit behind two strikers.