Quote from: Drummond on February 26, 2020, 01:07:23 PMQuote from: Risso on February 26, 2020, 12:42:17 PMQuote from: Drummond on February 26, 2020, 12:20:30 PMJota would still be with us. He may not be Premier League but he'd do just fine in the Championship.O'Hare would be back and ours. Young Barry would no doubt get games too. I don't want us to go down but to suggest it's the end of the world is typical doom mongering. We survived last time with vastly shitter owners. This time we'd be fine. The trick would be recruitment for the next season in the top flight with a largely settled squad.Jota couldn’t get into a shit Blues team. Buying him was entirely pointless.O'Hare? Barry? Or is everyone that we have on the books (excluding Grealish, Mings and McGinn) shit? No they're not all shit. Hourihane would still do a job at that level, as would the likes of Targett and Gilbert. Picking somebody like Jota who IS shit by virtue of being too physically incapable at either Premier League or Championship level isn't a great way of reinforcing your point though. He's probably the worst player to make an appearance for us this year.
Quote from: Risso on February 26, 2020, 12:42:17 PMQuote from: Drummond on February 26, 2020, 12:20:30 PMJota would still be with us. He may not be Premier League but he'd do just fine in the Championship.O'Hare would be back and ours. Young Barry would no doubt get games too. I don't want us to go down but to suggest it's the end of the world is typical doom mongering. We survived last time with vastly shitter owners. This time we'd be fine. The trick would be recruitment for the next season in the top flight with a largely settled squad.Jota couldn’t get into a shit Blues team. Buying him was entirely pointless.O'Hare? Barry? Or is everyone that we have on the books (excluding Grealish, Mings and McGinn) shit?
Quote from: Drummond on February 26, 2020, 12:20:30 PMJota would still be with us. He may not be Premier League but he'd do just fine in the Championship.O'Hare would be back and ours. Young Barry would no doubt get games too. I don't want us to go down but to suggest it's the end of the world is typical doom mongering. We survived last time with vastly shitter owners. This time we'd be fine. The trick would be recruitment for the next season in the top flight with a largely settled squad.Jota couldn’t get into a shit Blues team. Buying him was entirely pointless.
Jota would still be with us. He may not be Premier League but he'd do just fine in the Championship.O'Hare would be back and ours. Young Barry would no doubt get games too. I don't want us to go down but to suggest it's the end of the world is typical doom mongering. We survived last time with vastly shitter owners. This time we'd be fine. The trick would be recruitment for the next season in the top flight with a largely settled squad.
I don’t want Smith gone nor do I want to rip it up and start again. I was just observing that without Jack, McGinn and Mings I think the squad would really struggle against the better Championship teams. At the moment I don’t really trust Suso to fill those gaps with adequate replacements.I dread us going down, I really do.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 26, 2020, 04:49:12 PMQuote from: malckennedy on February 26, 2020, 04:45:03 PMQuote from: Clampy on February 26, 2020, 04:41:40 PMQuote from: Ketzster on February 26, 2020, 04:35:21 PMContinuity is obviously preferable, but it’s only worth sticking with a manager for a long period of time if you’ve got the right one. Dean Smith isn’t the right manager to be giving time toOnly if that particular manager is doing well over that time. The league apart (and some very dodgy performances), I think promotion and a Cup Final is not bad going bearing in mind the length of time he has been here. Mind you, promotion was all down to Grealish obviously. (rolls eyes). It clearly wouldn’t have happened without him. I don’t see how this can be disputed in view of the league position before his return led to 10 straight wins.You'll never know that for definite, but what is undisputed is the fact that Dean Smith got us promoted and on Sunday he will become only the eighth manager in almost a century to lead us out at a Wembley final.No we might not know it for definite, but what we do know for definite is that under Smith, without Grealish we were generally pretty appalling. The same problems that exist now, existed then in the run before Grealish came back. Smith didn’t know how to sort it
Quote from: malckennedy on February 26, 2020, 04:45:03 PMQuote from: Clampy on February 26, 2020, 04:41:40 PMQuote from: Ketzster on February 26, 2020, 04:35:21 PMContinuity is obviously preferable, but it’s only worth sticking with a manager for a long period of time if you’ve got the right one. Dean Smith isn’t the right manager to be giving time toOnly if that particular manager is doing well over that time. The league apart (and some very dodgy performances), I think promotion and a Cup Final is not bad going bearing in mind the length of time he has been here. Mind you, promotion was all down to Grealish obviously. (rolls eyes). It clearly wouldn’t have happened without him. I don’t see how this can be disputed in view of the league position before his return led to 10 straight wins.You'll never know that for definite, but what is undisputed is the fact that Dean Smith got us promoted and on Sunday he will become only the eighth manager in almost a century to lead us out at a Wembley final.
Quote from: Clampy on February 26, 2020, 04:41:40 PMQuote from: Ketzster on February 26, 2020, 04:35:21 PMContinuity is obviously preferable, but it’s only worth sticking with a manager for a long period of time if you’ve got the right one. Dean Smith isn’t the right manager to be giving time toOnly if that particular manager is doing well over that time. The league apart (and some very dodgy performances), I think promotion and a Cup Final is not bad going bearing in mind the length of time he has been here. Mind you, promotion was all down to Grealish obviously. (rolls eyes). It clearly wouldn’t have happened without him. I don’t see how this can be disputed in view of the league position before his return led to 10 straight wins.
Quote from: Ketzster on February 26, 2020, 04:35:21 PMContinuity is obviously preferable, but it’s only worth sticking with a manager for a long period of time if you’ve got the right one. Dean Smith isn’t the right manager to be giving time toOnly if that particular manager is doing well over that time. The league apart (and some very dodgy performances), I think promotion and a Cup Final is not bad going bearing in mind the length of time he has been here. Mind you, promotion was all down to Grealish obviously. (rolls eyes).
Continuity is obviously preferable, but it’s only worth sticking with a manager for a long period of time if you’ve got the right one. Dean Smith isn’t the right manager to be giving time to
not sure about re-signing Gareth Barry.
Quote from: paul_e on February 26, 2020, 06:24:07 PMAs I've said before I think we have an inexperienced manager and an inexperienced squad and those 2 together make us incredibly naive.This season will be touch and go regardless of what we do from here but if we stay up and stick with everyone I think we'll be in a better place next season with just a handful of signings to replace people like Lansbury and Taylor who are 'senior' players but don't really offer anything.I agree next season should be better, if we stay up, and that season will tell us whether Smith is the right man. But on recruitment I think that handful of signings will be needed to replace some current first teamers, with them dropping down to replace Lansbury, Taylor, etc.
As I've said before I think we have an inexperienced manager and an inexperienced squad and those 2 together make us incredibly naive.This season will be touch and go regardless of what we do from here but if we stay up and stick with everyone I think we'll be in a better place next season with just a handful of signings to replace people like Lansbury and Taylor who are 'senior' players but don't really offer anything.
Quote from: Ketzster on February 26, 2020, 04:54:55 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on February 26, 2020, 04:49:12 PMQuote from: malckennedy on February 26, 2020, 04:45:03 PMQuote from: Clampy on February 26, 2020, 04:41:40 PMQuote from: Ketzster on February 26, 2020, 04:35:21 PMContinuity is obviously preferable, but it’s only worth sticking with a manager for a long period of time if you’ve got the right one. Dean Smith isn’t the right manager to be giving time toOnly if that particular manager is doing well over that time. The league apart (and some very dodgy performances), I think promotion and a Cup Final is not bad going bearing in mind the length of time he has been here. Mind you, promotion was all down to Grealish obviously. (rolls eyes). It clearly wouldn’t have happened without him. I don’t see how this can be disputed in view of the league position before his return led to 10 straight wins.You'll never know that for definite, but what is undisputed is the fact that Dean Smith got us promoted and on Sunday he will become only the eighth manager in almost a century to lead us out at a Wembley final.No we might not know it for definite, but what we do know for definite is that under Smith, without Grealish we were generally pretty appalling. The same problems that exist now, existed then in the run before Grealish came back. Smith didn’t know how to sort itCan we agree that Grealish return to the side went hand in hand with our ten game winning run? Yes.Can we agree that Grealish has got better and better in the past 12 months, and surpassed expectations of how he was expected to perform this year in the Premiership? I think yes.Could we then agree that maybe Smith is helping Grealish get to these levels?
Quote from: Drummond on February 26, 2020, 05:57:19 PMUnder Bruce, McLeish and Lambert it was both.Agreed, but something isn't working.
Under Bruce, McLeish and Lambert it was both.
If we went down, assuming Grealish, Mings, McGinn and Heaton would leave, I cant see any others going, we could still field a strong enough team to bounce straight back.Perm 11 from 17 Steer/Nyland Konsa/Engels/Chester/HauseGilbert. Nakamba. Targett AEG/OHare/Barry/Hourihane/Luiz/Trezeguet Sammata/Wesley
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on February 26, 2020, 06:03:54 PMQuote from: Drummond on February 26, 2020, 05:57:19 PMUnder Bruce, McLeish and Lambert it was both.Agreed, but something isn't working.What isn’t working is time. Smith and the rest have had a year to rebuild how many years of neglect and mismanagement??? They need time to arrest that and steer us to where we belong. I agree that we need to stay in this division but I don’t see it as a total disaster if we slip provided that the end result is us maintaining a rebuilding in the right way. The continuity must be there and changing to another “saviour” isn’t that
Heaton's the one player we could probably afford to lose. I think Nyland has shown enough to suggest that he's a perfectly adequate replacement.