Dean Smith - Confirmed

[PeterWithesShin]

Hardly anyone, if anyone, is saying he should potted so they are giving him a chance, they are also rightly questioning his mistakes in the same way most, if not all, have praised the good stuff he does.

[Drummond]

Yes and Dean needs to show he’s actually learning from these chastening experiences. At the moment he isn’t showing that, he’s repeating his mistakes.

Of course he needs to learn.

6 games in. Less than a year in the job with a new squad. Just let him breathe.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

It’s the never changing formation that is the big give away about his managerial ability. We got away with it last season because at the start of the 10 game winning run Grealish came back and having better players than other teams took effect. I don’t think that run actually had much to do with Smith as a manager.

What was more telling from last season was the 14 game run before the 10 game winning run where for large parts we were absolutely appalling. He still kept with 4-3-3 through the whole of that and it didn’t work at Championship level, so obviously it won’t in the Premier League. Wigan away was the worst example of his inflexibility or lack of ideas. People say Wesley is isolated, there were plenty of games last season where Abraham was isolated as well. It’s a Dean Smith issue.

A lot of people on here and other sites say we need a different formation, but it isn’t going to happen with this manager in charge. It’s 4-3-3 no matter who we are playing or what the situation in the game is.

This pretty much sums up my fears.

[taylorsworkrate]

Hardly anyone, if anyone, is saying he should potted so they are giving him a chance, they are also rightly questioning his mistakes in the same way most, if not all, have praised the good stuff he does.

Yep.

Smith has done really well as manager so far. But when he fucks up badly, which he did today, people are understandably going to say so.

[Ads]

Naive today Smith for me. I can't say that a failure to add a central midfielder around the 65 minute mark would have stopped them equalizing, but I think it played a huge part.

Recycled too much ball, lost too much territory.

[PaulWinch again]

Yes and Dean needs to show he’s actually learning from these chastening experiences. At the moment he isn’t showing that, he’s repeating his mistakes.

Of course he needs to learn.

6 games in. Less than a year in the job with a new squad. Just let him breathe.

True, but he needs to show he’s learning. These aren’t complex things bespoke to the Premier League. It’s simple, if you give up possession and chase the game you will get tired. You either have to retain possession more or freshen the team with subs. We did neither.

[SoccerHQ]

Be interesting what both owners are thinking, with it being a London glamour game I assume both were in attendance today like Lerner would also sneak in for Chelsea away.

Anyway we all want Dean Smith to succeed and he has many good quality as a manager that have taken him from league one to premier league in less than four years.

However given the progress the club has made and the money invested in the summer to me it would be a disaster for us to go straight back down and would set us back another five years.

We must stay up this season at all costs.

Southampton in 12/13 comes to mind. They stuck with Nigel Adkins who'd got them two promotions in two years up to the January. They were actually on their best run of the season when he was sacked.

I think like many I came on here and said they were practically relegated appointing some unknown like Pochettino. Next 3-4 years worked out pretty well for them.

I hope Dean really learns from this and gets some wins on the board in next three weeks to kill these conversations but my feeling is Wes and Nas will be ruthless if they have to be. They could've given Steve Bruce up to December after all.

[Toronto Villa]

Interview after the game. Not once does he acknowledge that he could have done something better. It’s all about the players. Disappointing that he doesn’t seem to be learning that he needs to be better.

https://twitter.com/sportbbcwm/status/1175835147234684928?s=12

[LukeJames]

The frustrating thing is hes saying all the same things that were saying here, he saw it exactly how we did. Unfortunately none of us on here could do anything about it, he could.

[Risso]

It's fine margins in this league, and even a draw would have kept us out of the bottom three. The issues today were glaringly obvious so to make his main substitution taking off our most dangerous looking forward and replace them with an ineffective winger was ridiculous. There were exactly the same issues against Spurs, and he did exactly the same against type of substitution, with exactly the same consequences.

When the midfield is up against it away from home against superior opposition, fucking well do something about it.

Not learning from his mistakes is not going to end well for him.

[Drummond]

Yes and Dean needs to show he’s actually learning from these chastening experiences. At the moment he isn’t showing that, he’s repeating his mistakes.

Of course he needs to learn.

6 games in. Less than a year in the job with a new squad. Just let him breathe.

True, but he needs to show he’s learning. These aren’t complex things bespoke to the Premier League. It’s simple, if you give up possession and chase the game you will get tired. You either have to retain possession more or freshen the team with subs. We did neither.

Did he do this in the league below?

[PaulWinch again]

I don’t know. I imagine it’s something he’s come across. Like I say it doesn’t seem a hugely complex tactical problem.

[wince]

We had periods like this under dean in the championship. It wasn’t all plain sailing. Give him time and we will be fine

[PeterWithe]

I don’t think it necessarily a problem to always play 4-3-3, after all Ajax have been doing it for about 60 years but there has to be quicker changes to personal and minor changes within that formation.

Far too much room between the lines and far too many sloppy passes, for the second time this week.

[Flin5tone]

If we do sack him what happens to the Banner on the North Stand?