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Offline Abbeyfealeavfc

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10605 on: October 26, 2020, 10:19:04 AM »
Against L'pool we seemed to play a 4411 formation with McGinn left of Luiz as dms and Barkley just behind Ollie with no defensive or tracking back duties, just attacking responsibilities. This seemed to suit him better.
Against Leeds particularly after Traore came on we seemed to revert to a 433 with Mcginn on the right of the midfield 3 and Barkley on the left (obviously required to track back and defend).
Within a minute or so we had conceded a second goal courtesy of a misplaced pass by Barclay and an absence of making up from his error (tracking back).
If we're going to play Barclay it needs to be as an attacking force only because imo I don't think he's got the discipline to be any other kind of midfielder. In our own half he could be the liability we can ill afford.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10606 on: October 26, 2020, 11:40:32 AM »
I do think having Grealish on the left limits his involvement. I would like to see McGinn tuck in alongside Luiz and give Jack more of a free role in front of them. Jack with a free role, with good protection behind him could be such a problem for opponents to have to deal with. I would work with the same personnel though and have Barkley moved to the left and Trez on the right. Barkley and Jack could even swap positions multiple times during a game and make even more problems for opponents.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10607 on: October 26, 2020, 12:59:17 PM »
Against L'pool we seemed to play a 4411 formation with McGinn left of Luiz as dms and Barkley just behind Ollie with no defensive or tracking back duties, just attacking responsibilities. This seemed to suit him better.
Against Leeds particularly after Traore came on we seemed to revert to a 433 with Mcginn on the right of the midfield 3 and Barkley on the left (obviously required to track back and defend).
Within a minute or so we had conceded a second goal courtesy of a misplaced pass by Barclay and an absence of making up from his error (tracking back).
If we're going to play Barclay it needs to be as an attacking force only because imo I don't think he's got the discipline to be any other kind of midfielder. In our own half he could be the liability we can ill afford.

Barkley definitely played 10 against Liverpool alright. I don't think Barkley, or let's be honest us as a team, are good enough to allow him to have an armchair ride without the ball. He simply has to up his workrate no matter what position he gets selected in. If there is to be one midfielder we give that licence to, it has to be Grealish, I don't think we will get away with two. What already worries me about Traore is that it's abundantly clear he won't be offering much without the ball either on the right flank. That lack of balance that Leeds ruthlessly exposed is very vulnerable to counter attacking.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10608 on: October 26, 2020, 01:25:18 PM »
Almost regardless of tactics, what the last few games have proved is you have to have everbody fit and focussed.
The performance of Mings and Berkley were the key problems against Leeds.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10609 on: October 26, 2020, 01:35:02 PM »
Almost regardless of tactics, what the last few games have proved is you have to have everbody fit and focussed.
The performance of Mings and Berkley were the key problems against Leeds.

Yes, Barkley was very ineffective but Mings had an absolute shocker.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10610 on: October 26, 2020, 02:18:37 PM »
For whatever reason, we seemed to set up our midfield against Leeds something like the below..
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Trez, McGinn, Barkley, Grealish

McGinn sat a lot deeper next to Luiz against Liverpool, perhaps a bit further forward against Leicester but left of Luiz. That wasn't the case on Friday, where we set up similar to what we did against Fulham. It's a formation (2 x number eights) I don't want to see us playing for a while, Luiz is not superman and our full backs need more cover than what Grealish and Trez/Traore/AEG can provide. We need to be a lot more compact tactically, two sitting midfielders should always try and be goal side of the ball. Traore isn't ready for a start yet (and looks completely unsuited to the role he has been bought for tbh) so I wouldn't mind something like the following for Southampton. A lot more narrow but also support for the full backs to get forward and a change of role for Grealish. 


--------Luiz, Nakamba
McGinn, Grealish, Hourihane

We have options then to drop McGinn back one if required, bring in Barkley or Trez/Traore out wide. Another tactical change I'd like to see Smith considering if we are chasing a goal is a front three of Traore/Davis/Watkins. Davis can make the ball stick and Watkins is more than capable of playing wide left but again to keep two midfielders goal side of the ball.

I'd be tempted to go narrower against Southampton, bringing in Hourihane for Trez and setting up like this:

Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
McGinn Luiz Hourhane
Barkley Grealish
Watkins

Whereas in the past, the loss of width wood have been a big problem, now, with that front 3, I think it's less of an issue, as they are more than capable of playing in tight spaces.

Looks like you are right about Traore too. Still early days, but he might be more of a back-up for Watkins on what we've seen so far. Don't think we'll get a shift out of him in the way we do Trez.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10611 on: October 30, 2020, 01:36:09 PM »
Interesting in the press conference today.

We left the game plan after the first goal went in. Hence being ripped a new one.

In my view, of that starts happening, you make a substitution, if for no other reason than to waste some time, but at least to get a new message out there or to hook the worst offender.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10612 on: October 30, 2020, 01:52:18 PM »
Interesting in the press conference today.

We left the game plan after the first goal went in. Hence being ripped a new one.

In my view, of that starts happening, you make a substitution, if for no other reason than to waste some time, but at least to get a new message out there or to hook the worst offender.

He made a sub alright, Traore for Trez, which made the situation even worse on our right flank. Smith seems to try and abdicate his responsibilities as head coach to effect in game changes.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10613 on: October 30, 2020, 02:20:44 PM »
Putting a lot (too much?) faith in his favourite XI.

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« Reply #10614 on: October 30, 2020, 03:15:10 PM »
We are still very much a work in progress. Our bench isnít great, but I do agree we could use players differently and mix it up sometimes

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10615 on: October 30, 2020, 03:19:43 PM »
Anyone would think we were bottom reading this thread.

Mings had a poor 45 minutes, Barkley didn't track as well as he could, Jack had a very indifferent night and Leeds got everything spot on, literally everything. I doubt they will play that well, with that intensity again this season, much like I doubt we will the way we did against Liverpool.

McGinn and Luiz deeper with Barkley pushed up suits us better, and actually gets McGinn more in the game too. Traore will be very useful against certain teams too, but we will have to pick and chose the games. Our biggest issue is probably our lack of plan B, although we are miles from where we were 12 months ago, so need to give it time.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10616 on: October 30, 2020, 05:34:16 PM »
Putting a lot (too much?) faith in his favourite XI.

That, and a habit of even when plan a isn't working, sticks with plan a anyway. Smith has always been very poor with in game changes, like for like subs or no subs at all are a really bugbear of mine, but what galls me is his ability post game to succinctly dissect where things went wrong without a hint of taking any responsibility for not correcting matters in game.

Players deviated from game plan, well take a couple of them off then Dean and remind them who is in charge! We got totally stretched between the lines and left space for them to attack, well then Dean do something about it tactically, not a nonsensical Traore for Trez sub that made things even worse.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10617 on: October 30, 2020, 05:40:33 PM »
I hope he plays the same team line up

Although I'm not bothered whether he plays Trez or Traore but that's not tactical I just wouldn't mind seeing what Traore has got

we have a quality first 11 but that's it once you start messing it weakens the team
We haven't got the squad yet to start changing things to much if at all

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10618 on: October 30, 2020, 05:53:43 PM »
Putting a lot (too much?) faith in his favourite XI.
Players deviated from game plan, well take a couple of them off then Dean and remind them who is in charge! We got totally stretched between the lines and left space for them to attack, well then Dean do something about it tactically, not a nonsensical Traore for Trez sub that made things even worse.

He may just not feel like he's got the options on the bench to do that yet. It's back to the earlier post about us being a work-in-progress and still being relatively early into that process.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #10619 on: October 30, 2020, 06:01:21 PM »
Let's be honest, we still need another four or five players of decent quality to be competitive don't we?  Heaton and Wes to come back in, Traore in for Trezeguet but that's about it until the kids grow up.

 


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