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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #105 on: October 07, 2018, 06:49:43 PM »
Not his record though is it. It's Mourinho's.

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #106 on: October 07, 2018, 06:54:15 PM »
The problem with appointing  the likes of Henry is when they discover players  just can't do what they are being asked.  It's like a Rolls Royce owner being asked to try out a  Ford  Mondeo on a trip from Rome to B6

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #107 on: October 07, 2018, 06:54:47 PM »
Not his record though is it. It's Mourinho's.

Mourinho was Assistant Manager?

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #108 on: October 07, 2018, 07:03:12 PM »
Assistant managers don't win anything. It's why the phrase "most successful assistant" sounds so daft.

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #109 on: October 07, 2018, 07:03:46 PM »
I think ozzjim hit the nail on the head.  Henry.

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #110 on: October 07, 2018, 07:09:00 PM »
Assistant managers don't win anything. It's why the phrase "most successful assistant" sounds so daft.

It's only daft if you give them no value.

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #111 on: October 07, 2018, 07:12:50 PM »
Assistant managers don't win anything. It's why the phrase "most successful assistant" sounds so daft.

It's only daft if you give them no value.

They should be valued but in the end no Assistant is ever fully credited with the success or failure of a side. In the end he implements what Mourinho wants. It’s massively different to being the person making the final decision, being held to those decisions and lauded or criticized publicly.

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #112 on: October 07, 2018, 07:18:39 PM »
Assistant managers don't win anything. It's why the phrase "most successful assistant" sounds so daft.

It's only daft if you give them no value.

They should be valued but in the end no Assistant is ever fully credited with the success or failure of a side. In the end he implements what Mourinho wants. It’s massively different to being the person making the final decision, being held to those decisions and lauded or criticized publicly.

Of course not, otherwise it would be a no-brainer and we wouldn't be having this discussion. Saying that it would be extremely silly to think Mourinho did it all by himself. You only have to read what the players had to say about Mourinho and Faria. Even this week Man Utd are blaming their failure on the departure of Faria.

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #113 on: October 07, 2018, 07:22:08 PM »
Peter Taylor played a massive part in Clough's success.  Even after they had their falling out I think Clough still believed that.

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #114 on: October 07, 2018, 07:25:58 PM »
Peter Taylor played a massive part in Clough's success.  Even after they had their falling out I think Clough still believed that.

Some Assistants are just very good at that and never make it as a manager. Peter Taylor never made it as a manager. Faria might indeed make it as a very good manager but just because he’s been a very good assistant isn’t a guarantee that he will.

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #115 on: October 07, 2018, 07:28:51 PM »
Faria is backward looking, Henry is forward looking.   

You fancy him, don't you? It's not a beauty pageant, the idea is I assume to get promoted this season and stay up next. There is not one gram of evidence that Henry knows what he's doing. Despite all his 17 years of experience, there's no evidence that Faria can cut it as a manager. It's a risk but give me the realist before the fantasist every day of the week.

The medium versus the Tarot card reader replacing the illusionist? When will we learn.

I'm not sure, so perhaps we should have somebody read the tea-leaves?

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #116 on: October 07, 2018, 07:29:43 PM »
Some Assistants are just very good at that and never make it as a manager. Peter Taylor never made it as a manager. Faria might indeed make it as a very good manager but just because he’s been a very good assistant isn’t a guarantee that he will.
Indeed, but I was more making a point about how big a part an assistant can play in a manager's success, even if they never get that success chalked up to their own name.

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #117 on: October 07, 2018, 07:30:53 PM »
Not his record though is it. It's Mourinho's.

Mourinho was Assistant Manager?
RCF why do you spoil arguments with facts😉

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #118 on: October 07, 2018, 08:26:48 PM »
The problem with appointing  the likes of Henry is when they discover players  just can't do what they are being asked.  It's like a Rolls Royce owner being asked to try out a  Ford  Mondeo on a trip from Rome to B6
However,the foreign coaches seem to be able to do it.The great Italian coaches,arguably the most successful tacticians,include Trapattoni,Lippi,Capello,Ancelotti and Conte who had excellent Serie A careers.In contrast,Sacchi and Sarri had no professional experience.
However,it's a great advantage to have worked under a great coach,Pep and Poch under Cruyff and Bielsa,or to have played in high pressure games at club and international level as Simeone ,Zidane and Deschamps have done.
Henry has had all  those experiences.His success will depend on his intelligence and ability to communicate and the latter he should have learnt from the likes of Wenger,Pep and Ancelotti who probably had a slightly different approach to Sherwood or Bruce.

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Re: Faria or Henry
« Reply #119 on: October 07, 2018, 08:37:47 PM »
If the bookies are anything to go by, it's looking like Henry. He's generally 5 to 1 ON, 10 to 1 with some. Faria's about 8 to 1 against. I'd be happy with Henry BTW.

 


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