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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: pauliewalnuts on October 06, 2018, 11:59:15 PM
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So, at the risk of looking like a ****** when we eventually re-appoint McLeish, as it seems as though these two are the two hot favourites, which would you go for?
No taking into account backroom team, none of this "OMG! With Wenger as DoF / Mayor of Birmingham / Head of the Shelby Family, Thierry would be amazing!111!!!" nonsense, just a choice between one or the other.
I'm going for Faria.
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So, at the risk of looking like a c***
Too late, mate. ;)
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Head says Faria because although he's untested he has a shedload of top level coaching experience.
Heart says Henry because although he's also untested I think he has potential and would really lift the club, fans and players.
So, McLeish.
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Well, Faria, because he's a coach.
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I'd be happy with either, but I'm going to go with Henry as hopefully his playing career working for managers like Wenger will have rubbed off on him.
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Either one. I lean towards Henry, if he can get the right coaching staff.
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Happy with either. But Henry for me
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Henry with Faria as Head Coach.
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For the record, I've already mentioned I'm against most Portuguese coaches joining us, so it's not about their nationality, I've backed Ads with wanting a German coach/manager. I want somebody that's not only technically 21st century but a hard worker with a point to prove. People like Villas-Boas strike me as too comfortable both financially and with their record. I just don't see the hunger. Same with Rodgers.
I'd love Marco Rose but guess he's now out of our reach. Faria, despite all his honours, he's pretty much won everything there is to won in England, Spain and Italy but I think he really has a point to prove, he's driven, very hard working and has the experience of working alongside the most successful manager in Europe these last 17 years. To do that you need to be more than mates with your boss and Mourinho would never carry passengers.
Throw in Terry as his Assistant, somebody that proved last season he gets the club, I think it could be an interesting combination. Not only that, I expect them to hit the ground running, something we desperately need this season with FFP hovering around us. They can both share a taxi every morning from Surrey too.
I like Henry, no idea who would come in to work with him but my big doubt is the lack of hunger. Technically he may be great but right now we need somebody that is also desperate to win every single point, a fighter and that can also build something we all want, an entertaining Villa side.
I'm voting for Rudy. Plus, French cars are crap.
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Neither has any promotions from this division so it's a no from me.
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Faria. If there's one thing this team is crying out for it's some proper coaching from a modern coach.
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Faria and Terry. Terry could be a player-coach and perfectly plug the massive John Terry-shaped hole in our central defense.
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Henry. Watching him talk about the tactical side he learned from Pep, and having played under Wenger when he was a great manager, I just want to have some of that style embedded at Villa. Mourinho has always played very pragmatic football, and I fear Faria will be similar being so close to him.
I am not going to be upset with either, both bring risks, and both will be heavily reliant on having a decent coaching team around them, but I think Henry has the potential to be brilliant if he can translate his knowledge to the pitch.
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Henry. Watching him talk about the tactical side he learned from Pep, and having played under Wenger when he was a great manager, I just want to have some of that style embedded at Villa. Mourinho has always played very pragmatic football, and I fear Faria will be similar being so close to him.
I am not going to be upset with either, both bring risks, and both will be heavily reliant on having a decent coaching team around them, but I think Henry has the potential to be brilliant if he can translate his knowledge to the pitch.
I think that's what sways me towards Henry.
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Henry. Watching him talk about the tactical side he learned from Pep, and having played under Wenger when he was a great manager, I just want to have some of that style embedded at Villa. Mourinho has always played very pragmatic football, and I fear Faria will be similar being so close to him.
I am not going to be upset with either, both bring risks, and both will be heavily reliant on having a decent coaching team around them, but I think Henry has the potential to be brilliant if he can translate his knowledge to the pitch.
I think that's what sways me towards Henry.
Someone posted a clip of Henry talking about the shape under Pep at Barca, and how if they lost their shape or disobeyed him they knew about it, but it was all designed to allow them to hurt teams by creating space in the final third and trusting each other on the ball.
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This one?
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I’ve always wanted* a French manager for the Villa.
Houllier - not his time
Garde - not his time either
Henry...3rd time. Could be The Un.
*not necessarily, as I remember getting rather excited about Vikings.
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Yep. I want our manager to understand and implement tactics like that. No more quotes like roll your sleeves up.
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Henry.
Un homme pour les temps.
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This one?
That's all lovely, I just worry that when he tries to introduce such concepts as "having a plan," "trusting your team mates to play the right ball" and "freedom in the final third" then he might be met by some puzzled looks and blank expressions.
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That's what we lacked today. Any attacking structure. We too often knock it around the 18 yard line and have done for years in that curved bow. Back and forth and never probing as we don't know what we're meant to be doing.
Something to be said about learning via osmosis. Wenger and Pep aren't bad examples.
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don’t know anything about Faria apart from what I’ve read on here ,
if he’s a Mourinho clone then It’s got to be Henry
but ultimately I would have some hope with either
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Henry, I suppose in the great hope he’s as good as a manager as he was a player.
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neither for me
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Faria. Experience over glamour.
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Henry, I suppose in the great hope he’s as good as a manager as he was a player.
Lets make a list, I'll start with...
Bobby Charlton
Bobby Moore
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You’ve spelt Rodgers wrong
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Dean Smith for me, all things considered.
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Isn’t it as much about who comes in the management team with the manager? We have lacked decent coaching for years and that’s what we desperately need now.
Who will bring that to the club most effectively?
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Imagine the tactics board. Replace Xavi with Whelan, Iniesta with Jedinak.
Easy.
I'd take be happy with either of these, probably go for Henry.
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This one?
That's all lovely, I just worry that when he tries to introduce such concepts as "having a plan," "trusting your team mates to play the right ball" and "freedom in the final third" then he might be met by some puzzled looks and blank expressions.
But Risso, I think what Henry was saying was that Guardiola drills it relentlessly in to the players in training so even if he gets puzzled looks the first time they eventually do understand. Later in that clip he gave an example of when he ignored Peps rules , scored , went in at half time feeling pleased with himself and was promptly subbed !
How incredible it would be to see our manager a) having an intelligent coherent style of play that consists of more than ‘lacing wor boots up’ and b) turning up to training to ensure the players and coaching staff understand and follow it. If even half of Guardiola’s wisdom has been passed on to Henry then he would be worth a shout, but how much better if we could prise away Arteta who lives and breathes it every day.
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Henry, I suppose in the great hope he’s as good as a manager as he was a player.
Lets make a list, I'll start with...
Bobby Charlton
Bobby Moore
Zinedine Zidane
Pep Guardiola
Franz Beckenbauer
Kenny Dalglish
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Didier Deschamps.
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B.Clough.
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Johann Cruyff.
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Carlo Ancelotti
Luis Enrique
Laurent Blanc
Antonio Conte
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I'd rather Henry, but wouldn't be opposed to Faria.
Jesus, I'm amazed we're being linked with either.
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Having watched that clip, I'd imagine most players would do as they're told. Kodjia would be an interesting one....
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He will need some good coaches around him. Organisation has left us wanting of late.
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I think we have no chance with this quartet:
Carlo Ancelotti>Has done it all and probably no longer motivated by this sort of challenge.
Luis Enrique > Post Barca considers himself a CL coach.
Laurent Blanc > ditto post PSG
Antonio Conte > ditto post Chelscum
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Neither.
Both are stupid gambles.
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Having watched that clip, I'd imagine most players would do as they're told. Kodjia would be an interesting one....
I'd have thought that would suit Kodjia. "Stand out on the touch line and do nothing until the ball's in the final third."
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Carlo Ancelotti
Luis Enrique
Laurent Blanc
Antonio Conte
Meanwhile back on planet earth.....
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Not Henry.
I'm sufficiently unfamiliar with this Faria person that I can't vote for them either.
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Carlo Ancelotti
Luis Enrique
Laurent Blanc
Antonio Conte
Meanwhile back on planet earth.....
In defence of the_ads, I think he was listing good players who became good managers. Not potentials for this job.
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Faria i suppose. Neither of them particularly excite me but Faria has 15 years experience with Maureen at least. Henry is a bit too "OGS" for my liking.
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Henry would be a gamble, would we get a Cruyff or a Sherwood? Perhaps worth it as we have got to get it right one time ... haven’t we?
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Carlo Ancelotti
Luis Enrique
Laurent Blanc
Antonio Conte
Meanwhile back on planet earth.....
In defence of the_ads, I think he was listing good players who became good managers. Not potentials for this job.
Ah! Thank you. Sorry the_ads
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Wasnt AVB a protégés of Mourinho as well?
He turned out shite.
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yeah i suppose a gamble is better than a Moyes. As others have touched on though, it's not like he'd be coming into a well run set-up with loads of support, but a team that's been totally Bruced-up with no defence, no confidence and limited options to do anything about it before January. He's gonna have to sink or swim.
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Wasnt AVB a protégés of Mourinho as well?
He turned out shite.
He won 7 trophies in Russia and Portugal so he wasn't that bad.
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Henry. Watching him talk about the tactical side he learned from Pep, and having played under Wenger when he was a great manager, I just want to have some of that style embedded at Villa. Mourinho has always played very pragmatic football, and I fear Faria will be similar being so close to him.
I am not going to be upset with either, both bring risks, and both will be heavily reliant on having a decent coaching team around them, but I think Henry has the potential to be brilliant if he can translate his knowledge to the pitch.
I think that's what sways me towards Henry.
Someone posted a clip of Henry talking about the shape under Pep at Barca, and how if they lost their shape or disobeyed him they knew about it, but it was all designed to allow them to hurt teams by creating space in the final third and trusting each other on the ball.
What is this “final third” he speaks of?
Henry for me. He’s played at the absolute top level and we have an embarrassment of attacking wealth in this league. Albion with lesser talent are piling in the goals. There is no reason we cannot do the same and we need someone who at that end of the pitch is amongst the very best there ever has been. He’ll be smart enough to bring good coaches with him. A very high profile name that players will love to play for. Respected all across the game. Love the beard.
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Of the two, Henry. It's not going to solve all of our problems, but imagine his attacking instincts shaped around Grealish and Abraham? We wouldn't be worrying about goals conceded.
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WBA's defence is nowhere near as bad as ours. They have a balanced team as well which helps. People have to start to start being a bit realistic for a change. We have a car crash defence, a midfield full of attacking options but no-one to do the legwork and protect the defence. Trying to turn into a 2018 version of an Ardiles side, is just gonna end badly
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I think there's an impression of Henry that because he was an attacker that he'd have no idea what to do with defence. That assumes quite a bit about the coaching credentials he's earned.
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I think there's an impression of Henry that because he was an attacker that he'd have no idea what to do with defence. That assumes quite a bit about the coaching credentials he's earned.
well yeah, you'd hope so. I certainly would be trying to sort out defence first if i was Henry or anyone else for that matter. Stop shipping 2 or 3 goals a match and then you possibly have a decent chance of winning games
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To be honest I feel anyone would be a gamble with our basket case of a squad. I’m sure since these players have been in our first team they have not been coached at all.
The newer players fresh from another side with structures might fair better. Our longer serving first teams might wonder what the fuck is going on, after all, all they have had to do is pull up their socks and roll their sleeves back.
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Nigel Farage or Lenny Henry?
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If it is Henry with Terry as No 2 and coming back to play, it would solve many of the worries and galvanise the squad overnight.
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Who matters a little less now than previously if our new owners are committed to the long term. 5 years of stability on and off the pitch are what is required as long as we continue to improve.
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Henry.
Faria acts like even more of a petulant child on the touchline than Mourinho does.
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To be honest I feel anyone would be a gamble with our basket case of a squad. I’m sure since these players have been in our first team they have not been coached at all.
The newer players fresh from another side with structures might fair better. Our longer serving first teams might wonder what the fuck is going on, after all, all they have had to do is pull up their socks and roll their sleeves back.
Didn't they realise they had to put their boots on ?
It would be easy to improve the attack and midfield as the coaching seems to have been so negligent .
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I'd like Dean Smith with Terry as assistant.
But if it's Henry instead of Smith, with a proper support network and drumming some sort of fucking playing style into this club, then I'll back this 100%.
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Henry would be a gamble, would we get a Cruyff or a Sherwood? Perhaps worth it as we have got to get it right one time ... haven’t we?
He can speak, he understands the game. He's not Sherwood.
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Loads of people sound knowledgeable discussing the game. That's not the gig. Plus you've got the "accent" thing. It's amazing how ex-foreign players don't sound so clever if you imagine them speaking it in fat sam's accent.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...n-Villa-job-John-Terry-assistant-manager.html
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How's Rémi Garde doing these days...?
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Loads of people sound knowledgeable discussing the game. That's not the gig. Plus you've got the "accent" thing. It's amazing how ex-foreign players don't sound so clever if you imagine them speaking it in fat sam's accent.
Ok, so what don't you like?
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Henri and Terry.
Get it done.
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Loads of people sound knowledgeable discussing the game. That's not the gig. Plus you've got the "accent" thing. It's amazing how ex-foreign players don't sound so clever if you imagine them speaking it in fat sam's accent.
Ok, so what don't you like?
It's more an observation than an attack on Henry. There is an in-built bias with most people to take someone more seriously if they have a certain accent. It's like cantona, spent his career attacking various refs, players and spectators and speaks bollocks 24 hours a day, yet he's viewed as this artisitic gaul wit. If he spoke like robbie savage or vinny jones he'd be seen for what he is. Football is especially bad for it. it's like the old Guiseppe Verdi thing. Joe Green doesn't sound so cultered somehow
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Whoever it is I hope they don’t employ the former Chelsea number 26.
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Loads of people sound knowledgeable discussing the game. That's not the gig. Plus you've got the "accent" thing. It's amazing how ex-foreign players don't sound so clever if you imagine them speaking it in fat sam's accent.
Ok, so what don't you like?
It's more an observation than an attack on Henry. There is an in-built bias with most people to take someone more seriously if they have a certain accent. It's like cantona, spent his career attacking various refs, players and spectators and speaks bollocks 24 hours a day, yet he's viewed as this artisitic gaul wit. If he spoke like robbie savage or vinny jones he'd be seen for what he is. Football is especially bad for it. it's like the old Guiseppe Verdi thing. Joe Green doesn't sound so cultered somehow
Savage and Jones aren't spouting shite in a second or third language for a start.
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Loads of people sound knowledgeable discussing the game. That's not the gig. Plus you've got the "accent" thing. It's amazing how ex-foreign players don't sound so clever if you imagine them speaking it in fat sam's accent.
Ok, so what don't you like?
It's more an observation than an attack on Henry. There is an in-built bias with most people to take someone more seriously if they have a certain accent. It's like cantona, spent his career attacking various refs, players and spectators and speaks bollocks 24 hours a day, yet he's viewed as this artisitic gaul wit. If he spoke like robbie savage or vinny jones he'd be seen for what he is. Football is especially bad for it. it's like the old Guiseppe Verdi thing. Joe Green doesn't sound so cultered somehow
nothing to do with football but anyone speaking with a French, Irish or Latino accent automatically sound more sexier
imo
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Whoever it is I hope they don’t employ the former Chelsea number 26.
I'm in complete agreement.
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If it is Henry with Terry as No 2 and coming back to play, it would solve many of the worries and galvanise the squad overnight.
This!
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Whoever it is I hope they don’t employ the former Chelsea number 26.
I'm in complete agreement.
Why?
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The thread title needs changing to Rodgers or Henry
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Whoever it is I hope they don’t employ the former Chelsea number 26.
I'm in complete agreement.
Why?
Because I don't like John Terry.
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Whoever it is I hope they don’t employ the former Chelsea number 26.
I'm in complete agreement.
Hear hear or is it here here?
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How's Rémi Garde doing these days...?
How's Gary Neville doing these days?
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...n-Villa-job-John-Terry-assistant-manager.html
Not at all sure about this as I can’t see it working and almost no coaching experience at all☹️
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Loads of people sound knowledgeable discussing the game. That's not the gig. Plus you've got the "accent" thing. It's amazing how ex-foreign players don't sound so clever if you imagine them speaking it in fat sam's accent.
Ok, so what don't you like?
It's more an observation than an attack on Henry. There is an in-built bias with most people to take someone more seriously if they have a certain accent. It's like cantona, spent his career attacking various refs, players and spectators and speaks bollocks 24 hours a day, yet he's viewed as this artisitic gaul wit. If he spoke like robbie savage or vinny jones he'd be seen for what he is. Football is especially bad for it. it's like the old Guiseppe Verdi thing. Joe Green doesn't sound so cultered somehow
Savage and Jones aren't spouting shite in a second or third language for a start.
point still stands. We just hear someone speaking english in a french accent and accord it more gravitas than say geordie,cockney, brummy or scouse. I presume someone french-born hearing Henry speak in his native language hears the regional accent of Paris and may well hear their version of cockney 8). Maybe steve Mclaren sounded knowledgeable in Holland 8)
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World of difference between being a successful assistant manager and a successful first team one. Kidd, McClaren, Querioz, Meulensteen all come to mind. Tony Barton and John Gregory for us. At least Faria is an experienced assistant manager at club level, Henry isn't even that.
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Whoever it is I hope they don’t employ the former Chelsea number 26.
I'm in complete agreement.
Why?
Because I don't like John Terry.
What Axl said.
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Loads of people sound knowledgeable discussing the game. That's not the gig. Plus you've got the "accent" thing. It's amazing how ex-foreign players don't sound so clever if you imagine them speaking it in fat sam's accent.
Ok, so what don't you like?
It's more an observation than an attack on Henry. There is an in-built bias with most people to take someone more seriously if they have a certain accent. It's like cantona, spent his career attacking various refs, players and spectators and speaks bollocks 24 hours a day, yet he's viewed as this artisitic gaul wit. If he spoke like robbie savage or vinny jones he'd be seen for what he is. Football is especially bad for it. it's like the old Guiseppe Verdi thing. Joe Green doesn't sound so cultered somehow
Savage and Jones aren't spouting shite in a second or third language for a start.
point still stands. We just hear someone speaking english in a french accent and accord it more gravitas than say geordie,cockney, brummy or scouse. I presume someone french-born hearing Henry speak in his native language hears the regional accent of Paris and may well hear their version of cockney 8). Maybe steve Mclaren sounded knowledgeable in Holland 8)
No, 'we' don't. Some of us listen to what is being said and then decide whether it is reasonable discourse or disjointed gibberish.
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World of difference between being a successful assistant manager and a successful first team one. Kidd, McClaren, Querioz, Meulensteen all come to mind. Tony Barton and John Gregory for us. At least Faria is an experienced assistant manager at club level, Henry isn't even that.
Faria must be the most successful Assistant Manager in the world today and he's only 43.
This talk of Henry and Terry reminds me of out last star struck owner wanting to hang around with his hero. The only question for me right now is who is more likely to get us performing to a higher level and get us promoted this season? Whoever it is, they get my support.
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Loads of people sound knowledgeable discussing the game. That's not the gig. Plus you've got the "accent" thing. It's amazing how ex-foreign players don't sound so clever if you imagine them speaking it in fat sam's accent.
Ok, so what don't you like?
It's more an observation than an attack on Henry. There is an in-built bias with most people to take someone more seriously if they have a certain accent. It's like cantona, spent his career attacking various refs, players and spectators and speaks bollocks 24 hours a day, yet he's viewed as this artisitic gaul wit. If he spoke like robbie savage or vinny jones he'd be seen for what he is. Football is especially bad for it. it's like the old Guiseppe Verdi thing. Joe Green doesn't sound so cultered somehow
Savage and Jones aren't spouting shite in a second or third language for a start.
Savage is-was tiswas.
He's still a helmet though.
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Some do, some don't i'd say. I certainly prefer my tactics spoken in a soft french accent rather than say yamyam. That's why if i ever find myself seduced by a foreign speaking pundit i do the allardyce comparison test. It's hot-wired into the brain for most of us. Doesn't mean Henry is talking bollocks but that's how it is. Would somone like Stephen Fry be seen as some incredible wit and ranconteur if he had a west country accent? I don't think so
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It's going to be Henry isn't it? Those rumours in the summer can't have come from nowhere, so it would seem he's been on the radar for some time.
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Those rumours in the summer didn't come from knowhere, Henry will be a breathe of fresh air and John terry would be great, he was class last season and a born winner.
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I have trepidation about a novice. That said Sherwood had the ability to organise us and Gregory took the step up. Both had more experience although not significant amounts.
He appears knowledgeable and is a bit of an anorak apparently. He will hopeful have a style and identity. I certainly feel he will command respect as he was undoubtedly a great. Even if he's a wanker for that free kick.
It does worry me he's absence of experience. But then Espanyol took a punt on Poch. The Stripey Filth took a punt on Moore and we didn't take a punt on the vastly experienced Bruce...
No guarantees I suppose.
Terry would be a smart choice. Undbouted leadership and demands high standards. Already well liked and respected and if he brings his boots even better.
We need a couple of experience coaches in there too.
I think the building of structures behind the Head Coach will benefit us long term with having an identity and avoiding haphazard recruitment.
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Darren Moore was a youth coach and stepped up to become a PL manager at Albion and did really well. It can be argued that a few weeks more he could have kept them up. And look at how he's started this season. I think while it might be ideal to have someone with some level of managerial experience it comes with no guarantees whatsoever.
I honestly believed at the time Lambert would do well after excellent spells at Colchester and Norwich, that Garde would given his successful time at Lyon, and while I didn't want Bruce, that at least his experience and successes in the Championship would get us promoted. None of them panned out for any number of reasons that their "experience" couldn't overcome.
So while a bit more experience of a Faria might be desirable, if Rogers actually wanted the job it would be even better, if it is Terry I'm dismissing it purely because of this thing called "experience" or his lack of it.
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Neither has any promotions from this division so it's a no from me.
I believe a manager with 4 promotions from this division and a losing play-off final is free, what could go wrong!
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Faria is backward looking, Henry is forward looking.
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I don't see the objections to a new non-experienced appointment, with back-up from a guy who had a massive influence on the team just last season, it could be mediocre, it could be a spectacular success, but what it would not be is any worse than the rudderless approach we have seen this season.
The new owners have shown while they will give someone a chance, (Mr Bruce), if you don't deliver you're out of here.
Go for it, be brave and be bold - not something we have seen for some time at the Villa
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I don't see the objections to a new non-experienced appointment, with back-up from a guy who had a massive influence on the team just last season, it could be mediocre, it could be a spectacular success, but what it would not be is any worse than the rudderless approach we have seen this season.
The new owners have shown while they will give someone a chance, (Mr Bruce), if you don't deliver you're out of here.
Go for it, be brave and be bold - not something we have seen for some time at the Villa
Amen Neil.
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Potentially very exciting combo with Henry and Terry...sort out the final third of the pitch, whilst also making us more solid at the back...in theory it sounds exactly what we're looking for, so we can only hope they can make it happen on the pitch if these rumours do come to fruition. This pairing would bring an instant buzz and excitement to Villa Park.
I don't know anything about Faria, what he brings to the table or what style of play he would try to implement. He may well be the better option, but at the moment he is an unknown risk.
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Faria is backward looking, Henry is forward looking.
You fancy him, don't you? It's not a beauty pageant, the idea is I assume to get promoted this season and stay up next. There is not one gram of evidence that Henry knows what he's doing. Despite all his 17 years of experience, there's no evidence that Faria can cut it as a manager. It's a risk but give me the realist before the fantasist every day of the week.
The medium versus the Tarot card reader replacing the illusionist? When will we learn.
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Was Henry more of a risk than Faria?
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Was Henry more of a risk than Faria?
Absolutely not if we're talking car sales. Faria reminds me of one of Harry Enfield's Scousers. I wouldn't buy a spare wheel off him.
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If he wasn't Portuguese you wouldn't have a hard on for him.
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If he wasn't Portuguese you wouldn't have a hard on for him.
Now you're just being silly.
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What else is there? He's been Mourinho's bibs and cones man and aiding him in mastering the art of putting XI men behind the ball, suffocating games and generally being a bit of a tit on the touchline.
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There is not one gram of evidence that Henry knows what he's doing. Despite all his 17 years of experience, there's no evidence that Faria can cut it as a manager.
The reason there's no evidence is simply that neither of them have ever had the opportunity. For the same reason, there's no evidence either of them would be a failure. There is evidence to suggest that both, for different reasons, have the potential to be successful.
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There is not one gram of evidence that Henry knows what he's doing. Despite all his 17 years of experience, there's no evidence that Faria can cut it as a manager.
The reason there's no evidence is simply that neither of them have ever had the opportunity. For the same reason, there's no evidence either of them would be a failure. There is evidence to suggest that both, for different reasons, have the potential to be successful.
Indeed. The only reason I'd go with Faria before Henry is that he's he most successful Assistant Manager in the world. It's still a gamble. Watching interviews with him, he hardly comes across as inspiring but his record is second to none.
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Not his record though is it. It's Mourinho's.
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The problem with appointing the likes of Henry is when they discover players just can't do what they are being asked. It's like a Rolls Royce owner being asked to try out a Ford Mondeo on a trip from Rome to B6
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Not his record though is it. It's Mourinho's.
Mourinho was Assistant Manager?
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Assistant managers don't win anything. It's why the phrase "most successful assistant" sounds so daft.
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I think ozzjim hit the nail on the head. Henry.
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Assistant managers don't win anything. It's why the phrase "most successful assistant" sounds so daft.
It's only daft if you give them no value.
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Assistant managers don't win anything. It's why the phrase "most successful assistant" sounds so daft.
It's only daft if you give them no value.
They should be valued but in the end no Assistant is ever fully credited with the success or failure of a side. In the end he implements what Mourinho wants. It’s massively different to being the person making the final decision, being held to those decisions and lauded or criticized publicly.
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Assistant managers don't win anything. It's why the phrase "most successful assistant" sounds so daft.
It's only daft if you give them no value.
They should be valued but in the end no Assistant is ever fully credited with the success or failure of a side. In the end he implements what Mourinho wants. It’s massively different to being the person making the final decision, being held to those decisions and lauded or criticized publicly.
Of course not, otherwise it would be a no-brainer and we wouldn't be having this discussion. Saying that it would be extremely silly to think Mourinho did it all by himself. You only have to read what the players had to say about Mourinho and Faria. Even this week Man Utd are blaming their failure on the departure of Faria.
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Peter Taylor played a massive part in Clough's success. Even after they had their falling out I think Clough still believed that.
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Peter Taylor played a massive part in Clough's success. Even after they had their falling out I think Clough still believed that.
Some Assistants are just very good at that and never make it as a manager. Peter Taylor never made it as a manager. Faria might indeed make it as a very good manager but just because he’s been a very good assistant isn’t a guarantee that he will.
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Faria is backward looking, Henry is forward looking.
You fancy him, don't you? It's not a beauty pageant, the idea is I assume to get promoted this season and stay up next. There is not one gram of evidence that Henry knows what he's doing. Despite all his 17 years of experience, there's no evidence that Faria can cut it as a manager. It's a risk but give me the realist before the fantasist every day of the week.
The medium versus the Tarot card reader replacing the illusionist? When will we learn.
I'm not sure, so perhaps we should have somebody read the tea-leaves?
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Some Assistants are just very good at that and never make it as a manager. Peter Taylor never made it as a manager. Faria might indeed make it as a very good manager but just because he’s been a very good assistant isn’t a guarantee that he will.
Indeed, but I was more making a point about how big a part an assistant can play in a manager's success, even if they never get that success chalked up to their own name.
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Not his record though is it. It's Mourinho's.
Mourinho was Assistant Manager?
RCF why do you spoil arguments with facts😉
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The problem with appointing the likes of Henry is when they discover players just can't do what they are being asked. It's like a Rolls Royce owner being asked to try out a Ford Mondeo on a trip from Rome to B6
However,the foreign coaches seem to be able to do it.The great Italian coaches,arguably the most successful tacticians,include Trapattoni,Lippi,Capello,Ancelotti and Conte who had excellent Serie A careers.In contrast,Sacchi and Sarri had no professional experience.
However,it's a great advantage to have worked under a great coach,Pep and Poch under Cruyff and Bielsa,or to have played in high pressure games at club and international level as Simeone ,Zidane and Deschamps have done.
Henry has had all those experiences.His success will depend on his intelligence and ability to communicate and the latter he should have learnt from the likes of Wenger,Pep and Ancelotti who probably had a slightly different approach to Sherwood or Bruce.
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If the bookies are anything to go by, it's looking like Henry. He's generally 5 to 1 ON, 10 to 1 with some. Faria's about 8 to 1 against. I'd be happy with Henry BTW.
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Neither have been managers. Both may be ok, both may be shite. I think Faria is a bit 'Meh' but I'm seduced by the idea of Henry. Gerrim in!
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I think there's an impression of Henry that because he was an attacker that he'd have no idea what to do with defence. That assumes quite a bit about the coaching credentials he's earned.
Managers style of play and strengths don't have to be a reflection of how they played. Brian Littles two successful league seasons with us was built around solid defence rather than free flowing attack.
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I don't have any issue with Faria's record and i think he'll be a good manager for someone but i don't like him and i think he'd be a bit too negative for where we are.
I'd prefer Arteta of the inexperienced options but I'm ok with Henry as well.
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I'm hoping for Henry and Terry now. I can see it being spectacularly brilliant or the complete opposite but I like that we're taking a chance.
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I'm hoping for Henry and Terry now. I can see it being spectacularly brilliant or the complete opposite but I like that we're taking a chance.
I’m with you.
Fuck it, let’s try something different.
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I'm hoping for Henry and Terry now. I can see it being spectacularly brilliant or the complete opposite but I like that we're taking a chance.
With you mate. Successful or not, only time will tell, but certainly raised my hopes
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I'm hoping for Henry and Terry now. I can see it being spectacularly brilliant or the complete opposite but I like that we're taking a chance.
I’m with you.
Fuck it, let’s try something different.
Totally agree. The only kind of appointment I'd have been genuinely angry about was if we'd gone for a Moyes-type dinosaur.
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Rodgers would be my first choice but would be fully behind the two T's if thsts who the owners choise
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I'm hoping for Henry and Terry now. I can see it being spectacularly brilliant or the complete opposite but I like that we're taking a chance.
Exactly where I am, it will just be lovely to have a bit of hope and excitement again.
I also think that Henry will be very good for our profile, as he really was a world class player, and certainly the best I've seen in the Premier League. Our club has been on the back burner for too long, and in a way the reaction to Bruce was a product of that. Sorry to quote that idiot Holloway, but the phrase a "half-arsed club who used to be famous" wasn't far from the mark, however much it hurts to admit it. Most pundits and fans of other clubs had stopped taking notice of us ages ago, and in their minds a "safe pair of hands" like Bruce was the perfect fit for us. How dare we hope for anything better than a man with four, FOUR promotions?!
So Henry will be a risk, but fuck it, nothing ventured, nothing gained. For what it's worth though, I think he'll do well. Martinez is a great manager, and Henry will have learned a lot from him, and hopefully the brilliant managers like Wenger he has worked under.
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Bruce started by saying how lucky he was to manage us. He finished by proclaiming how lucky we were to have him. That’s how far he brought us down.
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As always Aston Villa football club can potentially add another "first" to its historical list of firsts
First black Manager appointed that has a convicted racist as a #2
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As always Aston Villa football club can potentially add another "first" to its historical list of firsts
First black Manager appointed that has a convicted racist as a #2
What?!
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As always Aston Villa football club can potentially add another "first" to its historical list of firsts
First black Manager appointed that has a convicted racist as a #2
he was not convicted
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think the fA might have fined him thou .. cant remember what happened ...
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As always Aston Villa football club can potentially add another "first" to its historical list of firsts
First black Manager appointed that has a convicted racist as a #2
What on earth is that all about? What a terrible post
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As always Aston Villa football club can potentially add another "first" to its historical list of firsts
First black Manager appointed that has a convicted racist as a #2
What on earth is that all about? What a terrible post
Before anyone has a breakdown - it was meant to be a joke and a play on things rather than serious
Apologies to anyone who was offended in anyway shape or form....ever
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As always Aston Villa football club can potentially add another "first" to its historical list of firsts
First black Manager appointed that has a convicted racist as a #2
What on earth is that all about? What a terrible post
Before anyone has a breakdown - it was meant to be a joke and a play on things rather than serious
Apologies to anyone who was offended in anyway shape or form....ever
Don’t think it was offensive or that anyone would have been offended. It was clearly meant to be less than serious - it was just weird!
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I'd like Dean Smith with Terry as assistant.
But if it's Henry instead of Smith, with a proper support network and drumming some sort of fucking playing style into this club, then I'll back this 100%.
Ooooh, do I win a prize? 😀
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A three month subscription to Jackie magazine. I'm sure they'll have a poster or two of Henry.
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I'm hoping for Henry and Terry now. I can see it being spectacularly brilliant or the complete opposite but I like that we're taking a chance.
Erm, what I actually meant was Smith and Terry obviously.
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Bollocks to Henry and Faria say I, never wanted either of them!
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Who's this Faria you speak of? Sounds Spanish.
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As neither have been appointed, can we lock this up now???