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Offline Damo70

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2018, 02:54:31 PM »
Mac's presser was a carbon copy of his game against Spurs (The infamous Gabby 8 touch game).  He stuck two fingers up at the club who pay his wages to score points for his mates.

At least he got some points for somebody then. ;)

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2018, 03:18:38 PM »
Either lead follow or get out of the god damn way.

Malandro

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2018, 08:26:59 AM »
“He said to me he might go and watch the cricket in the Caribbean over the winter. He can afford it!”

Nice.

Offline garyfouroaks

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2018, 10:32:09 PM »
He has taken us as far as he can.

No promotion, no FA Cup or League Cup runs, he has to go.

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2018, 07:02:29 PM »
K Mac gone after new bullying claims!

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2018, 07:05:42 PM »
Correction: suspended, but I doubt he'll be back.....

Offline Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2018, 07:21:11 PM »
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Aston Villa have suspended their long-serving youth coach Kevin MacDonald from working with players, after a former graduate of the club, Gareth Farrelly, came forward to tell the Guardian about his claims of relentless bullying from MacDonald in the mid-1990s.

Farrelly accused the coach of “incredibly aggressive, constant verbal and physical bullying” and said it “took me to a place at 20 that nobody should have to go to. And I wouldn’t wish it on anybody.”


Gareth Farrelly: ‘It was a toxic, bullying culture for young players at Aston Villa’
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After receiving questions from the Guardian and notification of Farrelly’s recollections this week, the club informed the local authority designated officer, the Football Association and EFL, and started an independent investigation, led by a barrister, into the bullying allegations.

Farrelly, who moved from his home in Dublin aged 17 to sign a professional contract with the Midlands club in 1992 and played in midfield in the Premier League for Villa, Everton and Bolton Wanderers, said MacDonald belittled him and scoffed at his achievements, undermining his confidence and giving negative reports of his performances to the then Villa manager, Brian Little.

Now working as a solicitor having qualified this year, Farrelly remembers his time as a young player at Villa as a constant battle to deal with bullying. The effort to fight back and achieve his ambitions made him mentally and physically exhausted, he said in an interview with the Guardian, and left him in “extremely dark places”, feeling depressed and with suicidal thoughts.

He believes of MacDonald: “I say, and I maintain this position, that his regime destroyed far more kids than he ever developed … If people had been treated better, fairly, you can’t say they would definitely have made it but they would have had an opportunity to develop and kick on more.”

He was prompted to tell his story publicly after reading that only last year, around 20 years later, a Premier League investigation found MacDonald guilty of bullying a young Villa player in 2015 and 2016, yet MacDonald was allowed to continue at the club in a new role as the Under-23 coach. The player’s father had complained repeatedly to Villa that his son was beginning to show signs of depression because of bullying and emotional abuse by MacDonald.

“I could not believe the role he still occupies,” Farrelly said of discovering the findings of the Premier League investigation last year, which found the club did not carry out an adequate inquiry into the complaints. The league insisted on changes to practices at the Villa academy but MacDonald was left in place and moved to coach a higher age group. Villa were accused by the young player’s father and others of having a toxic culture in their academy but the club rejected that view and said MacDonald had a strong record of bringing players through to the first team.

Farrelly, who won six caps for the Republic of Ireland, said he can be considered a player who came through at Villa, but he rejects any presumption that it was because of MacDonald’s coaching. Looking back, he believes he did not fulfil the potential he had at 17, with many talented players in the same age groups as him at the club never making it as professionals.

“You have the period that I was there, in the mid-1990s, which was a bullying culture for the young players, then 20-25 years later, that has continued and this person is still there,” he said. “And then there is a finding of bullying but they left him in place – I struggle to process that.”

The Guardian contacted Villa to ask for its response to Farrelly’s recollections. In a statement the club responded: “The club referred these allegations immediately to its local authority and the football authorities, and with their agreement has commissioned an independent investigation into the former player’s complaints. That investigation will commence immediately and as a neutral act Kevin has been temporarily reassigned to non-player-facing duties pending completion of the investigation.”

The club said MacDonald had been instructed not to comment on the allegations of bullying, pending the outcome of the investigation.


https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/dec/13/aston-villa-remove-kevin-macdonald-coaching-new-bullying-claims-gareth-farrelly

Offline jwarry

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2018, 07:39:55 PM »
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Aston Villa have suspended their long-serving youth coach Kevin MacDonald from working with players, after a former graduate of the club, Gareth Farrelly, came forward to tell the Guardian about his claims of relentless bullying from MacDonald in the mid-1990s.

Farrelly accused the coach of “incredibly aggressive, constant verbal and physical bullying” and said it “took me to a place at 20 that nobody should have to go to. And I wouldn’t wish it on anybody.”


Gareth Farrelly: ‘It was a toxic, bullying culture for young players at Aston Villa’
 Read more
After receiving questions from the Guardian and notification of Farrelly’s recollections this week, the club informed the local authority designated officer, the Football Association and EFL, and started an independent investigation, led by a barrister, into the bullying allegations.

Farrelly, who moved from his home in Dublin aged 17 to sign a professional contract with the Midlands club in 1992 and played in midfield in the Premier League for Villa, Everton and Bolton Wanderers, said MacDonald belittled him and scoffed at his achievements, undermining his confidence and giving negative reports of his performances to the then Villa manager, Brian Little.

Now working as a solicitor having qualified this year, Farrelly remembers his time as a young player at Villa as a constant battle to deal with bullying. The effort to fight back and achieve his ambitions made him mentally and physically exhausted, he said in an interview with the Guardian, and left him in “extremely dark places”, feeling depressed and with suicidal thoughts.

He believes of MacDonald: “I say, and I maintain this position, that his regime destroyed far more kids than he ever developed … If people had been treated better, fairly, you can’t say they would definitely have made it but they would have had an opportunity to develop and kick on more.”

He was prompted to tell his story publicly after reading that only last year, around 20 years later, a Premier League investigation found MacDonald guilty of bullying a young Villa player in 2015 and 2016, yet MacDonald was allowed to continue at the club in a new role as the Under-23 coach. The player’s father had complained repeatedly to Villa that his son was beginning to show signs of depression because of bullying and emotional abuse by MacDonald.

“I could not believe the role he still occupies,” Farrelly said of discovering the findings of the Premier League investigation last year, which found the club did not carry out an adequate inquiry into the complaints. The league insisted on changes to practices at the Villa academy but MacDonald was left in place and moved to coach a higher age group. Villa were accused by the young player’s father and others of having a toxic culture in their academy but the club rejected that view and said MacDonald had a strong record of bringing players through to the first team.

Farrelly, who won six caps for the Republic of Ireland, said he can be considered a player who came through at Villa, but he rejects any presumption that it was because of MacDonald’s coaching. Looking back, he believes he did not fulfil the potential he had at 17, with many talented players in the same age groups as him at the club never making it as professionals.

“You have the period that I was there, in the mid-1990s, which was a bullying culture for the young players, then 20-25 years later, that has continued and this person is still there,” he said. “And then there is a finding of bullying but they left him in place – I struggle to process that.”

The Guardian contacted Villa to ask for its response to Farrelly’s recollections. In a statement the club responded: “The club referred these allegations immediately to its local authority and the football authorities, and with their agreement has commissioned an independent investigation into the former player’s complaints. That investigation will commence immediately and as a neutral act Kevin has been temporarily reassigned to non-player-facing duties pending completion of the investigation.”

The club said MacDonald had been instructed not to comment on the allegations of bullying, pending the outcome of the investigation.


https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/dec/13/aston-villa-remove-kevin-macdonald-coaching-new-bullying-claims-gareth-farrelly

Probably no surprise as we have heard enough of his disciplined approach, and enough have said they benefitted from the discipline, so was Gareth just too weak?!? Be interesting to see if others pipe up now

Offline Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2018, 07:42:10 PM »
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“It was a culture of verbal and physical bullying, but there were no checks and balances; he operated with impunity … It was like a dark shadow came over.”

It was a “relentlessly negative” regime under him.

“He would say: ‘You think you’re a fucking player? You’re not a fucking player. You’ve got fucking no chance.’ He would be calling players ‘******’ all the time; crazy stuff when you think about the role of responsibility he operated in.”

There was also physical aggression in training; sometimes MacDonald would join in and become confrontational, Farrelly recalls, kicking the young players. “In training it wasn’t unusual for people to end up squaring up to him, games would have to be stopped. It became normal. People were lucky not to have their legs broken. Every day you’d go into work, put your boots on, and think: ‘Here it comes again’. It took a huge toll.”

When he returned from one tournament, the summer US Cup, he remembers MacDonald sneering: “I hope you don’t think you’re a player now; those fucking Mickey Mouse caps you’ve got.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/dec/13/gareth-farrelly-bullying-aston-villa-kevin-macdonald

Offline Marlon From Bearwood

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2018, 07:52:57 PM »
This confirms what most of us suspected - he’s a wanker and I’m glad we’ll never have to endure him at our club again.

Offline Chinchilla Bathhouse

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2018, 08:07:47 PM »
jwarry, it's irrelevant whether others 'pipe up now'. Farrelly has, and even if he's the only one if what he says is found to be true it's shameful. He's certainly not 'too weak', far from it. He's not to blame for this.

Offline Des Little

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2018, 08:09:01 PM »
Well if true let’s hope he never works in football again. Or indeed in any industry for that matter.

Malandro

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #57 on: December 13, 2018, 08:12:51 PM »
What a big man. Glad to see the back of him.

C**t.

Offline Larry Duff

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2018, 08:17:23 PM »
I think Kevin Mac has been credited with successes that were more influenced by other people at the Club.
He was in effect the reserve Team manager and as far as I am aware not involved with the Recruitment or training of the Academy players.
The Youth Team was managed by Tony McAndrew who was a fantastic coach and although a no nonsense type of guy as far as I am aware no one had any issues with him.
The Academy Boss was Bryan Jones and He was the one that recruited Gabby, Cahill, Steven Davis, Bannon, Hogg, Fonz, Allbrighton, Baker, Ridgewell, Luke and Stefen Moore up to Grealish and then Tony Mac took them over at U18s level.

KM was always Mr Angry in the Dugout and it tickled me when He became First Team caretaker manager how many fans at the time were saying what a nice bloke He was.
I didn't ever like him much but I must admit it was amusing listening to him berate the players if you could ever get close enough to hear.

Offline SoccerHQ

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Re: MacDonald Out.
« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2018, 08:23:05 PM »
Yep would imagine that's the end of him here. Been a good servant but these frequent bullying claims means in the modern era it's untenable for him to continue.

Next time there's a change of manager (hopefully not for a good few years) stick Delaney in charge as putting Kmac in charge at Millwall was pretty much a surrender before kick off as he was just going through the motions.

Edit: Having fully read the article I can't quite believe he was actually found guilty of the allegations yet not just kept his job but was given a new role! I just assumed he'd been cleared.

Very disappointing from the club.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2018, 08:25:40 PM by SoccerHQ »

 


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