Next manager?

[Damo70]

Can someone plz tell me more about Dean smith, what has he done for so many of u wanting him as the new manager, it most be more than "his team is playing good football and he is a villa fan from birmingham"

Nothing to do with him being a Villa fan. If you have seen his team play, the attitude he them out with irrespective of the opponent, and what he's spent to achieve that, all of it would be foreign to a Villa fan having watched Bruce the last two years.

But we're Aston Villa, and like it or not we're rarely genuine underdogs in any match in this league

Our players have to go into each match knowing they're expected to win or at least draw. Brentford can play with freedom like underdogs who aren't fancied, far less pressure doing that than being favourites every weekend. The latter requires a different mindset and much broader shoulders to carry the weight of expectations both from the manager and the players

Exactly the reason why a bit of resetting expectations is in order. Aston Villa need a reboot. We have no divine right to go into ANY game these days expecting not to lose.

Surely the mindset of any team or individual within a team should be to go into a game expecting not to lose. Especially a club the size of Villa with the experience and quality they have in the expensively assembled squad. I would go as far as to say that '"resetting expectations" under Lerner and Lambert is what lead us to where we are now. My expectations are promotion, which should be a realistic target for the biggest club in the division.

[Wiggz]

Villa is a big project job,
we need a manager that can see that, if all they see is a shit defence a non playing team and a bunch of moaning supporters they are the wrong person to take it on

If Henry has turned us down for Monaco it looks at first sight as a no brainer
if it's the lifestyle you want the it's Monaco all day

but there is no project, Monaco will be in the same position in 2/3 years time as they are now
not winning the league, a bit of champions league football, losing your best players to the top European clubs
All played out every week to about 8 or 9 thousand fans

if you back yourself to get Villa up the game changes
we were a top 6 side less than 10 years ago, we have very rich owners who look like they mean business
we would have the Resourses with the right manager to give the top half of the premier a go and higher given time

all played out to 40 odd thousand every week

Monaco is a comfort zone job, it's a retirement position, it's no challenge for a manager wanting to make his mark,
I've been there to watch them Monaco v St Etienne it's was like watching football in the Dorchester

I lurk here a lot but felt compelled to comment on just the sheer elevation of our hubris as Villa fans.

Bournemouth, to quote a previous post, ARE a bigger club than Aston Villa, as things stand. They have history, but granted not close to our own. However the past is just that and they are on an upward trajectory, whereas we are far from that. As was said previously we have to start accepting that we are a Championship side based not only on the quality of the football we have played over the last 3-5 years, but also due to the series of frankly mind-blowing egotistical decisions made at board level.

Now, to reference the above, what planet are you on my friend Henry is clearly looking to cut his teeth somewhere. Why would he choose a Birmingham based club with fickle fans (come on...we are and we know it if we're honest) who aren;t really going anywhere any time soon, have only recently had a senior management team change, a bunch of players on larges wages (no budget), as his first job in management?

A move to Monaco would be miles better for him. Familiar faces, more forgiving league, some budget to do "something" with, and just start to learn the ropes.

I'm for Dean Smith 100%. Not because he is a manager who has won the Premier League as a player or a manager, but because he sets out a team tactically well, motivates, works with the players based on what we've all seen, and would no doubt usher in a little bit of calm to dampen the sheer hysteria that has wafted around Villa over the last few seasons like a bad smell.

We need to do what every good team does; go about our work quietly and methodically and under the radar. We are Aston Villa - Prepared is our motto, and we're currently 'prepared' for absolutely nothing. this would be a step forward in terms of actually having a plan rather than playing Russian roulette with our club.

Peace...

[Rudy Can't Fail]

If we do want/get Smith we absolutely cannot force Terry upon him as his number 2.

The man himself has got to decide that surely? who's his current number 2 at Brentford? surely if we go for him we want his staff as well

Agreed but from the interview today, I think Terry would be more than happy with a coaching role.

[boozey182]

If we do want/get Smith we absolutely cannot force Terry upon him as his number 2.

The man himself has got to decide that surely? who's his current number 2 at Brentford? surely if we go for him we want his staff as well

The key man is Richard O'Kelly - they have worked together throughout.

I can't see there being any truth in the Terry part of this latest story. We're being led to believe our owners have selected an assistant before they've chosen a manager; no owners would be so backwards in their thinking as this. And no self-respecting manager would accept the job under those conditions. If Smith comes in, he will bring his own men with him. Any other scenario would be insane.

[Toronto Villa]

We shouldn't be going in not to lose. That's Steve Bruce/TSM1 and 2 territory. It should be to win every single time. We won't win every but we will give it a great shot. And in this division with the resources we have relative to our competition it will usually be more than enough to win games.

[john e]

Villa is a big project job,
we need a manager that can see that, if all they see is a shit defence a non playing team and a bunch of moaning supporters they are the wrong person to take it on

If Henry has turned us down for Monaco it looks at first sight as a no brainer
if it's the lifestyle you want the it's Monaco all day

but there is no project, Monaco will be in the same position in 2/3 years time as they are now
not winning the league, a bit of champions league football, losing your best players to the top European clubs
All played out every week to about 8 or 9 thousand fans

if you back yourself to get Villa up the game changes
we were a top 6 side less than 10 years ago, we have very rich owners who look like they mean business
we would have the Resourses with the right manager to give the top half of the premier a go and higher given time

all played out to 40 odd thousand every week

Monaco is a comfort zone job, it's a retirement position, it's no challenge for a manager wanting to make his mark,
I've been there to watch them Monaco v St Etienne it's was like watching football in the Dorchester

I lurk here a lot but felt compelled to comment on just the sheer elevation of our hubris as Villa fans.

Bournemouth, to quote a previous post, ARE a bigger club than Aston Villa, as things stand. They have history, but granted not close to our own. However the past is just that and they are on an upward trajectory, whereas we are far from that. As was said previously we have to start accepting that we are a Championship side based not only on the quality of the football we have played over the last 3-5 years, but also due to the series of frankly mind-blowing egotistical decisions made at board level.

Now, to reference the above, what planet are you on my friend Henry is clearly looking to cut his teeth somewhere. Why would he choose a Birmingham based club with fickle fans (come on...we are and we know it if we're honest) who aren;t really going anywhere any time soon, have only recently had a senior management team change, a bunch of players on larges wages (no budget), as his first job in management?

A move to Monaco would be miles better for him. Familiar faces, more forgiving league, some budget to do "something" with, and just start to learn the ropes.

I'm for Dean Smith 100%. Not because he is a manager who has won the Premier League as a player or a manager, but because he sets out a team tactically well, motivates, works with the players based on what we've all seen, and would no doubt usher in a little bit of calm to dampen the sheer hysteria that has wafted around Villa over the last few seasons like a bad smell.

We need to do what every good team does; go about our work quietly and methodically and under the radar. We are Aston Villa - Prepared is our motto, and we're currently 'prepared' for absolutely nothing. this would be a step forward in terms of actually having a plan rather than playing Russian roulette with our club.

Peace...

I think that's basically what I said

Villa is a massive project not every one will see it or be up for it and will take an easier option

[robleflaneur]

Villa is a big project job,
we need a manager that can see that, if all they see is a shit defence a non playing team and a bunch of moaning supporters they are the wrong person to take it on

If Henry has turned us down for Monaco it looks at first sight as a no brainer
if it's the lifestyle you want the it's Monaco all day

but there is no project, Monaco will be in the same position in 2/3 years time as they are now
not winning the league, a bit of champions league football, losing your best players to the top European clubs
All played out every week to about 8 or 9 thousand fans

if you back yourself to get Villa up the game changes
we were a top 6 side less than 10 years ago, we have very rich owners who look like they mean business
we would have the Resourses with the right manager to give the top half of the premier a go and higher given time

all played out to 40 odd thousand every week

Monaco is a comfort zone job, it's a retirement position, it's no challenge for a manager wanting to make his mark,
I've been there to watch them Monaco v St Etienne it's was like watching football in the Dorchester

Great comments,finished off with the brilliant line, 'like watching football in the Dorchester'
It's his old club and they get royal or 'state' funding but they aren't going to compete with PSG and are well down the Champions League pecking order and Henry has a challenge to improve the club's standing.
Career wise,I agree,it's a poor choice for a novice manager.

[john e]

how come Bruno Lage is 5th favourite in the running

who is he ?

[Wiggz]

I think that's basically what I said

Villa is a massive project not every one will see it or be up for it and will take an easier option

Yes but the implication was that Henry would be "nuts" to pass by an opportunity such as ours. He wouldn't, he'd be incredibly wise to stay clear of us currently.

Let's get some damn stability. Let's forget about promotion for a season or two and just concentrate on getting a core of players who will put in the effort and be hungry, rather than those who can't wait to get back to their own clubs (Tammy aside - he puts in a shift) in a season's time, or those just picking up their wages, and then let's see where we go.

I hate to use the words "long term project" when talking about Villa but that's what is required, as we tried the short term fix a couple of times now and whilst we came close, it was at a cost. Let's not do that again huh?

[JUAN PABLO]

how come Bruno Lage is 5th favourite in the running

who is he ?

someone to do with swansea I think..

[mrfuse]

how come Bruno Lage is 5th favourite in the running

who is he ?

someone to do with swansea I think..

Assistant to Carlos Carvalhal at Sheffield Wednesday and Swansea City.

[john e]

I think that's basically what I said

Villa is a massive project not every one will see it or be up for it and will take an easier option

Yes but the implication was that Henry would be "nuts" to pass by an opportunity such as ours. He wouldn't, he'd be incredibly wise to stay clear of us currently.

Let's get some damn stability. Let's forget about promotion for a season or two and just concentrate on getting a core of players who will put in the effort and be hungry, rather than those who can't wait to get back to their own clubs (Tammy aside - he puts in a shift) in a season's time, or those just picking up their wages, and then let's see where we go.

I hate to use the words "long term project" when talking about Villa but that's what is required, as we tried the short term fix a couple of times now and whilst we came close, it was at a cost. Let's not do that again huh?

no I didn't say he was nuts,

but even in your very own words 'familiar faces' 'forgiving league' 'some budget' 'good place to cut his teeth'

you can't get more comfort zone than that
I did say if that's what he wants Monaco is a no brainer for him but it's no footballing challenge

[PeterWithesShin]

On no planet are Bournemouth bigger than us, they are however undeniably, and depressingly, currently more successful. As for us being fickle, so is every other set of football fans on the planet but for some reason only we get lumbered with that tag. Were Albion called fickle for booing their team off at HT at the weekend?

[mr underhill]

we seem to be getting the bum's rush from out top targets, are we now scraping a managerial barrel from candidates we believe to be not really good enough for AV?

[tomd2103]

Villa is a big project job,
we need a manager that can see that, if all they see is a shit defence a non playing team and a bunch of moaning supporters they are the wrong person to take it on

If Henry has turned us down for Monaco it looks at first sight as a no brainer
if it's the lifestyle you want the it's Monaco all day

but there is no project, Monaco will be in the same position in 2/3 years time as they are now
not winning the league, a bit of champions league football, losing your best players to the top European clubs
All played out every week to about 8 or 9 thousand fans

if you back yourself to get Villa up the game changes
we were a top 6 side less than 10 years ago, we have very rich owners who look like they mean business
we would have the Resourses with the right manager to give the top half of the premier a go and higher given time

all played out to 40 odd thousand every week

Monaco is a comfort zone job, it's a retirement position, it's no challenge for a manager wanting to make his mark,
I've been there to watch them Monaco v St Etienne it's was like watching football in the Dorchester

Agree John.  I want a manager coming in who has got real drive and ambition to prove themselves at the top level of the game and sees the job with Villa as an opportunity to do that.