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Offline Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1335 on: October 04, 2018, 02:21:43 PM »
I missed it too but I might get one of those shaving kits.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1336 on: October 04, 2018, 02:21:50 PM »
I would love a proper student of the game. Someone who really studies tactics, the opposition, individual performance; you know, like managers are supposed to do. Someone who could innovate, mix things up, impact a game with a few instructions from the dugout, and someone that turns up to training.

I don't really know enough about most of the candidates to have a favourite. Obviously the Sam, Moyes lot are a definite no, and some will just be out of our reach. I can't make my mind up about Dean Smith; in some ways it could be brilliant. He plays attacking football (which would surely suit our squad), he's young and a Villa fan, which although it shouldn't even enter our thoughts when making such a huge decision, does inevitably make me like him a bit more (a bit like that bloke from the old BT adverts). However, it could all end up very Paul Lambert. There's no way of knowing whether the job would be too big for him.

Of the rookies, Arteta seems the most highly rated, and seems to be learning from the best - but obviously this would be a huge task for a first management job. Henry too, has gone out and got some experience, but would be a bigger risk. Terry has no experience, and I understand he hasn't even bothered to get his coaching badges yet, so I don't think anybody at the club would have seriously have considered him. I have major doubts as to whether he will make it as a manager anyway, because quite frankly, I think he's a moron. And football has moved on from people like him being a successful manager.

It certainly feels like there is much more choice this time around, which can only be a good thing. I also think that the board have had this in the back of their minds since the day they took over so I'm confident they're going to get this one right. The summer signings all seem to have been focused on a young, quick, attack driven team; they now just have to put the final (pretty massive) piece in place to make it all fit together.


Big Sam ticks all the boxes you request in your first paragraph but then you rule him out in your next paragraph.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1337 on: October 04, 2018, 02:25:37 PM »
Who are the other ten people who, like me went for Flores? We could all get together and form a fan club. It would be like that episode of Frasier when there was a rather pathetic meeting of the Frasier Crane fan club in his apartment.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1338 on: October 04, 2018, 02:26:43 PM »
I can't understand why so many want Henry. He was the Belgium forwards coach, that's it. A handful of training sessions to his name.
In the same way that Derby appointed Lampard ,Germany gave Beckenbauer his first managerial post .
International stars often work with the great coaches of the era.Henry has played under Lippi,Ancelotti,Wenger,Rikjaard and Pep.
It doesn't mean that he will become a good manager but it's a great advantage to have those coaches as your mentor.
A rigorous interview ,as in any job,should flesh out his suitability but to rule him out would be foolish.Is there also the image of Henry as a player which makes him appear to be less suitable than the more macho Terrys and Lampards ?
Sir Brian would have seemed to be one of the least likeliest to go into management from the Saunders era.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1339 on: October 04, 2018, 02:26:52 PM »
Terry hasn't got his coaching license.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1340 on: October 04, 2018, 02:32:00 PM »
Who are the other ten people who, like me went for Flores? We could all get together and form a fan club. It would be like that episode of Frasier when there was a rather pathetic meeting of the Frasier Crane fan club in his apartment.

I voted for Flores when slightly spiffo last night. I think it was Aftab who put his name in my head - I had forgotten his achievements at Watford but he ticks the achieved promotion and exotic boxes. I was also discounting those I think we have no chance of attracting or who I don't want.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1341 on: October 04, 2018, 02:32:56 PM »
I can't understand why so many want Henry. He was the Belgium forwards coach, that's it. A handful of training sessions to his name.
In the same way that Derby appointed Lampard ,Germany gave Beckenbauer his first managerial post .
International stars often work with the great coaches of the era.Henry has played under Lippi,Ancelotti,Wenger,Rikjaard and Pep.
It doesn't mean that he will become a good manager but it's a great advantage to have those coaches as your mentor.
A rigorous interview ,as in any job,should flesh out his suitability but to rule him out would be foolish.Is there also the image of Henry as a player which makes him appear to be less suitable than the more macho Terrys and Lampards ?
Sir Brian would have seemed to be one of the least likeliest to go into management from the Saunders era.


There have been a number of very good managers who seemed unlikely to be so. Brian Little was a prime example. But we didn't take a gamble on him. He had already done a decent short term job a at Wolves and won three promotions at Darlington and Leicester before he got the Villa job.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1342 on: October 04, 2018, 02:34:50 PM »
I did read somewhere (can't remember where sorry) that one of the candidates for the TD role is Spanish.  If true, a link up with Sanchez Flores would be good IMO.

Damo - where is this fan club's first meeting?

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1343 on: October 04, 2018, 02:35:09 PM »
Who are the other ten people who, like me went for Flores? We could all get together and form a fan club. It would be like that episode of Frasier when there was a rather pathetic meeting of the Frasier Crane fan club in his apartment.
Actually,it might be a very interesting meeting,as no doubt some voted for kinky.
It crossed my mind but I went all Aston Vanilla and opted for Arteta.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1344 on: October 04, 2018, 02:38:16 PM »
Who are the other ten people who, like me went for Flores? We could all get together and form a fan club. It would be like that episode of Frasier when there was a rather pathetic meeting of the Frasier Crane fan club in his apartment.

I voted for Flores when slightly spiffo last night. I think it was Aftab who put his name in my head - I had forgotten his achievements at Watford but he ticks the achieved promotion and exotic boxes. I was also discounting those I think we have no chance of attracting or who I don't want.


The Villa job is a big job with big pressure. A big part of my thinking was that I doubt that would intimidate Flores, who has managed clubs like Valencia, Athletico Madrid and Benfica. Clubs where you are expected to be in the top places in the league, like we want to be in the championship.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1345 on: October 04, 2018, 02:40:06 PM »
I would love a proper student of the game. Someone who really studies tactics, the opposition, individual performance; you know, like managers are supposed to do. Someone who could innovate, mix things up, impact a game with a few instructions from the dugout, and someone that turns up to training.

I don't really know enough about most of the candidates to have a favourite. Obviously the Sam, Moyes lot are a definite no, and some will just be out of our reach. I can't make my mind up about Dean Smith; in some ways it could be brilliant. He plays attacking football (which would surely suit our squad), he's young and a Villa fan, which although it shouldn't even enter our thoughts when making such a huge decision, does inevitably make me like him a bit more (a bit like that bloke from the old BT adverts). However, it could all end up very Paul Lambert. There's no way of knowing whether the job would be too big for him.

Of the rookies, Arteta seems the most highly rated, and seems to be learning from the best - but obviously this would be a huge task for a first management job. Henry too, has gone out and got some experience, but would be a bigger risk. Terry has no experience, and I understand he hasn't even bothered to get his coaching badges yet, so I don't think anybody at the club would have seriously have considered him. I have major doubts as to whether he will make it as a manager anyway, because quite frankly, I think he's a moron. And football has moved on from people like him being a successful manager.

It certainly feels like there is much more choice this time around, which can only be a good thing. I also think that the board have had this in the back of their minds since the day they took over so I'm confident they're going to get this one right. The summer signings all seem to have been focused on a young, quick, attack driven team; they now just have to put the final (pretty massive) piece in place to make it all fit together.


Big Sam ticks all the boxes you request in your first paragraph but then you rule him out in your next paragraph.
Bielsa does too.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1346 on: October 04, 2018, 02:40:28 PM »
Talksport. Now.

Missed it. What did you say?

Right time to go, unbalanced signings, no idea of tactics, stopped us losing but couldn't get us winning, Rodgers my choice. 
I enjoyed your interview segment, David. Echoed my thoughts to a nut

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1347 on: October 04, 2018, 02:40:54 PM »
Who are the other ten people who, like me went for Flores? We could all get together and form a fan club. It would be like that episode of Frasier when there was a rather pathetic meeting of the Frasier Crane fan club in his apartment.

I voted for Flores when slightly spiffo last night. I think it was Aftab who put his name in my head - I had forgotten his achievements at Watford but he ticks the achieved promotion and exotic boxes. I was also discounting those I think we have no chance of attracting or who I don't want.


The Villa job is a big job with big pressure. A big part of my thinking was that I doubt that would intimidate Flores, who has managed clubs like Valencia, Athletico Madrid and Benfica. Clubs where you are expected to be in the top places in the league, like we want to be in the championship.
I ticked Flores for the reasons you both mention above.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1348 on: October 04, 2018, 02:41:16 PM »
lots of villa twitter sources saying the board are only aster a top name as a signal of intent. They are going large which would appear to rule Dean & Co out

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #1349 on: October 04, 2018, 02:44:04 PM »
I would love a proper student of the game. Someone who really studies tactics, the opposition, individual performance; you know, like managers are supposed to do. Someone who could innovate, mix things up, impact a game with a few instructions from the dugout, and someone that turns up to training.

I don't really know enough about most of the candidates to have a favourite. Obviously the Sam, Moyes lot are a definite no, and some will just be out of our reach. I can't make my mind up about Dean Smith; in some ways it could be brilliant. He plays attacking football (which would surely suit our squad), he's young and a Villa fan, which although it shouldn't even enter our thoughts when making such a huge decision, does inevitably make me like him a bit more (a bit like that bloke from the old BT adverts). However, it could all end up very Paul Lambert. There's no way of knowing whether the job would be too big for him.

Of the rookies, Arteta seems the most highly rated, and seems to be learning from the best - but obviously this would be a huge task for a first management job. Henry too, has gone out and got some experience, but would be a bigger risk. Terry has no experience, and I understand he hasn't even bothered to get his coaching badges yet, so I don't think anybody at the club would have seriously have considered him. I have major doubts as to whether he will make it as a manager anyway, because quite frankly, I think he's a moron. And football has moved on from people like him being a successful manager.

It certainly feels like there is much more choice this time around, which can only be a good thing. I also think that the board have had this in the back of their minds since the day they took over so I'm confident they're going to get this one right. The summer signings all seem to have been focused on a young, quick, attack driven team; they now just have to put the final (pretty massive) piece in place to make it all fit together.


Big Sam ticks all the boxes you request in your first paragraph but then you rule him out in your next paragraph.

Hmmm, you may have got me on a technicality... I guess I should have included someone that plays exciting, attacking football. That's the only way to get a tune out of this squad, I reckon, and I don't think BFS would be particularly well suited to that. And, having suffered some eye-watering football over the last couple (or ten) years, I think we've all earned some flair and fun. Which surely does rule him out.

Flores could be the answer...? (I don't know much about his style of football, so happy to be corrected there!)

 


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