Next manager?

[Nelly]

I do think though that whoever comes in next, if they are a good match on paper and are generally moving the club forwards in the way we all want, as fans we should be extra patient with them.

My worry is that we as a fanbase have been seared by the abject shitefest we've had the misfortune to witness from our last few managers and ownership.

I'm eager and impatient for Villa to step into who we truly are as a club, but it might be a slower road than we can imagine.

[chrisw1]

Rodgers or Benitez please, make it happen.

I would be surprised if Benitez wanted to drop into the Championship again.

and the blokes more negative than Bruce right now

Exactly.  There's a bit of a myth about Benitez playing swashbuckling forward thinking football.  He has pretty much always played a counter attacking style and if Bruce was setting up teams like he is now he'd be getting slaughtered for it.  I do like Rafa, but don't expect a huge change in approach if he ever comes.

[Mister E]

I do think though that whoever comes in next, if they are a good match on paper and are generally moving the club forwards in the way we all want, as fans we should be extra patient with them.

My worry is that we as a fanbase have been seared by the abject shitefest we've had the misfortune to witness from our last few managers and ownership.

I'm eager and impatient for Villa to step into who we truly are as a club, but it might be a slower road than we can imagine.

Well, we gave Lamberk and Fistface plenty of time to succeed - the fans have only just started turning on the latter, despite the dross served out by him.
I don't think we've been particularly fickle despite the shitefest that you refer to.

[garyshawsknee]

Arteta has been touted as the next managerial genius, got an interview with Arsenal, wonder if he could be tempted from Man City. With Henry rejecting the Bordeaux job, makes me think he's waiting in the wings.

[Des Little]

I can't help but think they've got Henry on hold. 

[Chris Smith]

I do think though that whoever comes in next, if they are a good match on paper and are generally moving the club forwards in the way we all want, as fans we should be extra patient with them.

My worry is that we as a fanbase have been seared by the abject shitefest we've had the misfortune to witness from our last few managers and ownership.

I'm eager and impatient for Villa to step into who we truly are as a club, but it might be a slower road than we can imagine.

Well, we gave Lamberk and Fistface plenty of time to succeed - the fans have only just started turning on the latter, despite the dross served out by him.
I don't think we've been particularly fickle despite the shitefest that you refer to.

We’ve given some of them time, we’ve got rid of others quickly; we’ve tried experience, we’ve tried up and coming; we’ve tried giving the money, we’ve tried austerity. The only thing they have in common is that in recent years they have all failed. That points to a more fundamental  problem with our recruiting process. New owners should, in theory, provide a fresh approach but as I said on another thread we do not appear to currently be ready to be able to make such a fundamental change.

Of course, with all that said there could be plenty going on behind the scenes that we are not privy but it’s a gamble.

[LeeB]

I can't help but think they've got Henry on hold. 

"Please hold, your call is important to us, and will be answered as soon as we bin this spud faced muppet"

[Monty]

Benitez isn't an attacking manager but he is a modern one.

I'm interested in this idea that attacking football (or even passing football) = 'modern' football. There are plenty of really attacking, passing-minded managers who have no idea what they're doing in the modern game (Holloway, Mowbray, Tactics Tim), and plenty of defensive or cautious ones who do (Wagner, Benitez, del Bosque even).

I prefer great, sweeping, aesthetically pleasing football as much as anyone else, but the problem here isn't just that Bruce is defensive - it's that he's defensive because his way of setting up defensive football is the simplest thing he can think of, which he does because he's so badly left behind by many even in the Championship. Give me Benitez over that any day.

Edit: should point out that we are, to be polite, incredibly unlikely to get Benitez.

[Risso]

I do think though that whoever comes in next, if they are a good match on paper and are generally moving the club forwards in the way we all want, as fans we should be extra patient with them.

My worry is that we as a fanbase have been seared by the abject shitefest we've had the misfortune to witness from our last few managers and ownership.

I'm eager and impatient for Villa to step into who we truly are as a club, but it might be a slower road than we can imagine.

Well, we gave Lamberk and Fistface plenty of time to succeed - the fans have only just started turning on the latter, despite the dross served out by him.
I don't think we've been particularly fickle despite the shitefest that you refer to.

We’ve given some of them time, we’ve got rid of others quickly; we’ve tried experience, we’ve tried up and coming; we’ve tried giving the money, we’ve tried austerity. The only thing they have in common is that in recent years they have all failed. That points to a more fundamental  problem with our recruiting process. New owners should, in theory, provide a fresh approach but as I said on another thread we do not appear to currently be ready to be able to make such a fundamental change.

Of course, with all that said there could be plenty going on behind the scenes that we are not privy but it’s a gamble.

The main problem in the past has been that the infrastructure has mostly not been there to give managers a decent chance.  That and the fact that we have picked some very bad managers indeed.    But making poor choices in the past is not a reason to keep an underperforming manager in a job now.  A change is always a gamble, but Bruce won't get us up, that much is crystal clear.  A new manager might or might not, but a new broom and some fresh thinking might just be the catalyst we need.  The one thing you can point to is that the teams who have gone up and done OK in the Premier League like Bournemouth, Watford, Burnley and Wolves all have younger, brighter managers.  The age of dinosaurs like Bruce is at an end.

[Nelson Lodge]

This link should take you to Available Managers on Transfermarket web site. There are many pages.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik

The top two it has are Zinedine Zidane and Antonio Conte. Either would do!!
Our owners are said to have deep pockets, so why not? Being a Championship manager was good enough for Benitez although he may regret the way the 'Project' is turning out once he got the Geordies promoted.

[garyshawsknee]

I imagine they'd seek advice from Mendes too.

[Damo70]

Sven? No way

Think Dyche has got oodles of time before they'd even consider getting rid. And rightly so

The general point that at some stage a good manager will leave a premier league team is a good one tho

Only worth getting rid of Bruce when there's a better option and the right option.

This was a point I addressed a while back. The days when someone left a smaller top flight club for a bigger club in the division below by their own choice like SGT did from Watford to Villa seem to be very rare and unlikely these days.

[sirlordbaltimore]

Not sure if i dreamt it or actually read it somewhere but Alex Rae was being touted.

[passitsideways]

Benitez isn't an attacking manager but he is a modern one.

I'm interested in this idea that attacking football (or even passing football) = 'modern' football. There are plenty of really attacking, passing-minded managers who have no idea what they're doing in the modern game (Holloway, Mowbray, Tactics Tim), and plenty of defensive or cautious ones who do (Wagner, Benitez, del Bosque even).

I prefer great, sweeping, aesthetically pleasing football as much as anyone else, but the problem here isn't just that Bruce is defensive - it's that he's defensive because his way of setting up defensive football is the simplest thing he can think of, which he does because he's so badly left behind by many even in the Championship. Give me Benitez over that any day.

Edit: should point out that we are, to be polite, incredibly unlikely to get Benitez.

This is getting on two years old now, but here's a clip of Newcastle kicking off, playing the ball patiently out from the back for a full minute, and scoring a goal: https://twitter.com/Kike_Marin_/status/791161168383578112

I think it very much supports what you say about Benitez being a modern manager without also being an attacking one - when Newcastle were down here, I'm pretty sure they didn't always play like that, and they certainly don't seem to do much of that at all now that they're back in the Premier League, but you don't achieve a sequence like that just out of nowhere. Instead, I think it very much reflects a recognition on his part that while he might prefer a more reactive style, he had to figure out a way to make proper use of the superior talent he had in his squad at the time, compared to the rest of the league.

[VinnieChase84]

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