January Transfer Window

[paul_e]

Anything we make on Gabby and Richards would be a book profit because we didn't pay for them, same with any of the youngsters.  The latter is the reason it wouldn't surprise me if Bruce tries to push Grealish out in Jan.  It's also probably why he let Baker go.  On top of that We have to have made book profits on Amavi and we were told in the summer that we were on course to pass.  At that point the Amavi transfer was due to complete after the season was finished according to any report I can find so it wouldn't have been counted in.

[Matt Collins]

I’m really not sure this analysis is right.

[eamonn]

Does anyone know the facts about all this shit? Who's our CFO now that Robin Russell left? Let's get 'im on here.

[SirSteveUK]

Not sure if this has been covered before in another thread perhaps - and apologies if it has - but this table (I think) shows the limitations on losses over a 3 yr rolling period. I seem to remember at the end of last season (our first in the Champ.) the figure of £83 mill was mentioned - which would be as per the bottom line in the table. And I think we squeezed in by a couple of mill.

At the end of this season, the losses counted would be the last 2 seasons + estimates for this season - no? And max losses reduces to £61 mill. A lot would surely depend on how much we lost in our penultimate PL season - which is the season that would now not be counted.

Basically its £35 mill for any season of the three spent in the PL and £13 mill for any season of the three spent in the Championship - so 35+13+13 = 61

Obviously, depreciating transfer fees will have been factored into the club accounts anyway

[SirSteveUK]

Having just ghosted a freinds online accountancy course, I think this is the process:

Players initial value is what we paid for him - we may well pay it all up front or in stages - but the asset is depreciated over it's life - obviously  for a footballer, this may well be the length of his initial contract - lets say 5 years. each year his value to the club ( as an 'asset') is reduced by £1.8 mill

So if we sell a player after 2 years for more than we paid for him we are 'guaranteed' to make a profit - because his initial  'value' ( aka Fee Paid) is reduced by those 2 years 'depeciation'

Profit = Fee received-(Fee paid-depreciation)

I am prepared to be corrected....LOL

[ciggiesnbeer]

Thanks SirSteveUK!

[mr underhill]

what about Bamford on loan until the  end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro

[Holte L2]

what about Bamford on loan until the  end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro

He had one good year at Boro. He's been utter shite at Middlesbrough. A friend of mine works for Burnley. I was told a few months ago that Bamford has his rent paid for whilst he was on loan and even had his TV licence paid for.  True story.

[paul_e]

what about Bamford on loan until the  end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro

God no, we've made the mistake of going for players who've been shit for 2-3 years (but were good before) far too many times in the last few years.  We aren't a rehab centre and we do a shit job when we try to pretend otherwise.  If we sign anyone this window I either want a kid who's on the up or an established, mid-20s player who put that 2nd/3rd season blip behind them.  We don't need anyone who doesn't fit those 2.

[Holte L2]

what about Bamford on loan until the  end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro

God no, we've made the mistake of going for players who've been shit for 2-3 years (but were good before) far too many times in the last few years.  We aren't a rehab centre and we do a shit job when we try to pretend otherwise.  If we sign anyone this window I either want a kid who's on the up or an established, mid-20s player who put that 2nd/3rd season blip behind them.  We don't need anyone who doesn't fit those 2.

Dominic Solanke from Liverpool, perhaps?

[mr underhill]

of course he looked great against us when they dumped us out of the cup!

[paul_e]

what about Bamford on loan until the  end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro

God no, we've made the mistake of going for players who've been shit for 2-3 years (but were good before) far too many times in the last few years.  We aren't a rehab centre and we do a shit job when we try to pretend otherwise.  If we sign anyone this window I either want a kid who's on the up or an established, mid-20s player who put that 2nd/3rd season blip behind them.  We don't need anyone who doesn't fit those 2.

Dominic Solanke from Liverpool, perhaps?

He's exactly the right type of player.  People on here often talk about how difficult it is to turn around a team but then suggest players who are on a similar downward cycle in th ehope that we cpould turn them around, that's just  as difficult and the likes of Richards should serve as fair warning.

[chrisw1]

what about Bamford on loan until the  end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro

God no, we've made the mistake of going for players who've been shit for 2-3 years (but were good before) far too many times in the last few years.  We aren't a rehab centre and we do a shit job when we try to pretend otherwise.  If we sign anyone this window I either want a kid who's on the up or an established, mid-20s player who put that 2nd/3rd season blip behind them.  We don't need anyone who doesn't fit those 2.

Dominic Solanke from Liverpool, perhaps?

He's exactly the right type of player.  People on here often talk about how difficult it is to turn around a team but then suggest players who are on a similar downward cycle in th ehope that we cpould turn them around, that's just  as difficult and the likes of Richards should serve as fair warning.

He looked a right handful when he came on for England.  And I imagine he'd love it for half a season if were pressing for promotion.  Sounds worth a shot to me.

[Holte L2]

what about Bamford on loan until the  end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro

God no, we've made the mistake of going for players who've been shit for 2-3 years (but were good before) far too many times in the last few years.  We aren't a rehab centre and we do a shit job when we try to pretend otherwise.  If we sign anyone this window I either want a kid who's on the up or an established, mid-20s player who put that 2nd/3rd season blip behind them.  We don't need anyone who doesn't fit those 2.

Dominic Solanke from Liverpool, perhaps?

He's exactly the right type of player.  People on here often talk about how difficult it is to turn around a team but then suggest players who are on a similar downward cycle in th ehope that we cpould turn them around, that's just  as difficult and the likes of Richards should serve as fair warning.

He looked a right handful when he came on for England.  And I imagine he'd love it for half a season if were pressing for promotion.  Sounds worth a shot to me.

He came to mind because Klopp did an interview last week stating that Solanke wouldn't be rushed into their first team. I'd take Solanke in a heartbeat. Would be great to see him link up with Onomah.   

[chrisw1]

Mail reporting we are in for Leon Clark at Sheffield.  I suspect its bollocks.  But if not, whilst he is on good form and it would be nice to weaken a rival, is a 32 year old journeyman really what we are after?  It would sound like our previous strategy of just buying the highest scorer in the league and hope it works.

<Edit> - not the Mail, Football Insider.  So file on rubbish and as you were.