Wolves v Pups Post-Match Thread

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Agree with all, Big Nose.

[aj2k77]

People seem shocked that Wolves are good. They bloody well should be. We may have spent a lot but they have shelled out massive amounts on the Jorge Mendes backdoor project, manager and half the team are essentially champioons league quality and it showed. An agent is in bed with the owners and taking players there that I doubt even knew who wolves were before being told to go there. I expected the result because they have done nothing to try and comply with FFP while we scratched about trying to all summer. The big tests for us are Fulham and Blues. I will wait till after those games before deciding the last 6 weeks were a blip from the norm.

That's a good point about ffp. They've just gone for it and will worry about the consequences after they have been promoted to the Premier league. Meanwhile we seem to be the only club who even try to adhere to it.

Well Wolves are where we were last season, they basically have two years of spending before having to sort themselves out a bit financially if they don't go up. They'll look at the football they're playing, the results they're getting and probably spend some more because they look much more a sure fire thing than we do.

We will not spend in January because promotion for us looks a small chance and we will have to deal with the repercussions next year. Wolves probably won't. I'm afraid we spunked our free hit on a pisshead, a kid from Reading who had hardly played football, an Italian keeper who looked dodgy even on youtube and Scott Hogan who had played 30 games in the Championship. Hindsight is a great thing but £30m+ is a real pants pulled down job.

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Why do we only have a small chance of promotion?

[aj2k77]

Why do we only have a small chance of promotion?

Because we play shit football and haven't been in the top six at all since we came down nearly 60 games ago.

[ChicagoLion]

Where to start? I was never going to enjoy the performance or result from any seat in the ground - but being in the Steve Bull Upper with a Wolves mate and sat in front of an exceptionally gobby twat was not great.

Hutton did well playing out of position and Albert offered good support to him as a result we were not as exposed as I thought would happen but it meant we offered nothing going forward down the left - except for one Hutton trademark gallop into their half when he passed the ball straight out (standard).

A squad of our size and with the money spent means we should have competent back up option at fullback when we lose our first choices - people filling in can work against Burton and Bolton but against a good side, in a local derby and in front of their biggest crowd for 36 years, then that won't do.

I think Whelan gets more stick than is merited - if we set up to let the opposition have the ball and with a defence that back peddles at the rate that Terry does, then if we expect one player to cover that they would need the energy, pace and strength that would embarrass Clark Kent.

I see a bloke who doesn't hide, puts in a shift, links play with simple passes when in possession and encourages (or digs out) those around him. He twice applauded/encouraged the energy and movement of O'Hare when he came on.

He is poorly served by how we set up, but so is Hourihane - a player who is instrumental in a side that wants to be on the front foot,  imposing itself on the opposition with energy, pace and a commitment to attack.

I'm also uncertain about Kodjia and Davis as a pair - I rate them both but as a pair they both look to go it alone and are looking for different service into them. Neither looks to find the other in my view - early days and I hope I am wrong, but that might prompt a big decision, and that is something I think Bruce is poorly equipped to do.

I'll finish with a word on Bruce. It can be easy to slate managers when disappointed by results, but the squad assembled, how we set up, decisions to pick players in roles they are not suited for (or not supported by the players around them is down to him).

It feels like there is no plan - he stumbled upon Davis and he was great for a few games, then Kodjia comes back and he can't work out how to organise the side.

Here's a clue Steve - it's not as simple as saying 'let's go 4-4-2' it is who you pick throughout the team and how you ask them to approach the game that determines what happens at the top end of the pitch. It also means we are less likely to get exposed at the back.

Great  post, it’s not like we were playing Real Madrid.

[Clampy]

Why do we only have a small chance of promotion?

Because we play shit football and haven't been in the top six at all since we came down nearly 60 games ago.

So being 7th in October means we only have a small chance of promotion? Really?

[Tom_Mc9?]

I don't get the criticism 'we only beat teams near the bottom of the table.' Who cares? That's who our fixture list dictated we played. I still think we'll get a decent amount of points from the next three games. Seven should be the target, nine great, anything less an opportunity missed. We should be up there at the end of the season and I think we will.

Wolves are fortunate to have such a luxury of talent who have integrated so well. Of course it would be good if we had something similar, but Bruce's pragmatism isn't nearly as bad as some suggest. It's not as easy on the eye but we'll get there.

[aj2k77]

Why do we only have a small chance of promotion?

Because we play shit football and haven't been in the top six at all since we came down nearly 60 games ago.

So being 7th in October means we only have a small chance of promotion? Really?

We've played 7 of the bottom 10 and still aren't in the play off zone.  Yes really.

[ChicagoLion]

I don't get the criticism 'we only beat teams near the bottom of the table.' Who cares? That's who our fixture list dictated we played. I still think we'll get a decent amount of points from the next three games. Seven should be the target, nine great, anything less an opportunity missed. We should be up there at the end of the season and I think we will.

Wolves are fortunate to have such a luxury of talent who have integrated so well. Of course it would be good if we had something similar, but Bruce's pragmatism isn't nearly as bad as some suggest. It's not as easy on the eye but we'll get there.

The fixture list also gave us Bristol City Cardiff and Wolves, how many of those did we win?

[auntiesledd]

People seem shocked that Wolves are good. They bloody well should be. We may have spent a lot but they have shelled out massive amounts on the Jorge Mendes backdoor project, manager and half the team are essentially champioons league quality and it showed. An agent is in bed with the owners and taking players there that I doubt even knew who wolves were before being told to go there. I expected the result because they have done nothing to try and comply with FFP while we scratched about trying to all summer. The big tests for us are Fulham and Blues. I will wait till after those games before deciding the last 6 weeks were a blip from the norm.

That's a good point about ffp. They've just gone for it and will worry about the consequences after they have been promoted to the Premier league. Meanwhile we seem to be the only club who even try to adhere to it.

Yet we've still spunked the kind of dosh that many clubs in the Prem wouldn't be able or willing to: and what have we got to show for it? If I was the person who'd pumped a small fortune into the club & witnessed the kind of shite that was served up yesterday, I'd be spitting feathers & asking serious questions. I never expected us to take the Championship by storm & make a quicksicks return to the top flight, but certainly thought we'd be genuinely challenging at the sharp end by now. What I witnessed yesterday should be viewed as being completely unacceptable - and woefully short of the the standards we should be attaining and demanding.

[Chris Smith]

Why do we only have a small chance of promotion?

Because every season everything is set in stone by the second week in October. All our games are against shit teams if we win and if we lose it is nothing to do with who we played it is because we are shit.

[Clampy]

Why do we only have a small chance of promotion?

Because we play shit football and haven't been in the top six at all since we came down nearly 60 games ago.

So being 7th in October means we only have a small chance of promotion? Really?

We've played 7 of the bottom 10 and still aren't in the play off zone.  Yes really.

Case dismissed then, let's give up now. I mean, that point off the play off's and 5 points off second is far too much ground to make up clearly.

[aj2k77]

I don't get the criticism 'we only beat teams near the bottom of the table.' Who cares? That's who our fixture list dictated we played. I still think we'll get a decent amount of points from the next three games. Seven should be the target, nine great, anything less an opportunity missed. We should be up there at the end of the season and I think we will.

Wolves are fortunate to have such a luxury of talent who have integrated so well. Of course it would be good if we had something similar, but Bruce's pragmatism isn't nearly as bad as some suggest. It's not as easy on the eye but we'll get there.

The fixture list also gave us Bristol City Cardiff and Wolves, how many of those did we win?

The next excuse is that they were all away from home.

[Clampy]

Why do we only have a small chance of promotion?

Because every season everything is set in stone by the second week in October. All our games are against shit teams if we win and if we lose it is nothing to do with who we played it is because we are shit.

I can't believe we've had the audacity to lose to a team 2nd in the table away from home. How far have we fallen?

[aj2k77]

Why do we only have a small chance of promotion?

Because we play shit football and haven't been in the top six at all since we came down nearly 60 games ago.

So being 7th in October means we only have a small chance of promotion? Really?

We've played 7 of the bottom 10 and still aren't in the play off zone.  Yes really.

Case dismissed then, let's give up now. I mean, that point off the play off's and 5 points off second is far too much ground to make up clearly.

Who said give up? Who said it won't happen? Realistically, looking at how we play, looking at the results we've had and who we've played, looking at how our manager has performed over 12 months, we have a small chance of getting promoted.