Aston Villa v Brentford Post-Match Thread

[Chris Smith]

He tells the truth?

He went from 6 months to 9 months managing us in a few weeks!

Do you seriously think that was a considered deception rather than merely a mistake?

It is, however, a good illustration of the trend I am describing whereby every single thing becomes subject to scrutiny and over analysis. There is enough important stuff to focus on, namely poor results and performances, without the additional nitpicking.

I think it was another attempt to bullshit the gullible.

You come across, in this exchange, like a conspiracy theory fruitcake.

Absolute nonsense.

The guy is in survival mode and desperate. He spews out any old nonsense in the hope some of it will create enough of a smokescreen to placate the gullible amongst us.

It seems he's not entirely wrong.

You appear to confuse gullible with objective. Or perhaps you are right and Bruce is a manipulative genius.

Back to the game, this is the post match thread after which he has said that he got things wrong but I guess that is spin and bullshit too.

I am a bit bored of this now, it's pointless, petty nitpicking and adds little so I shal leave it there.

[tomd2103]

Bruce is not more honest than most.

He is the master of spin and bullshit.

You're wrong but we are into a familiar phase on this site. It's not enough just to criticise the performances, people have been doing that for months, in order to take it further other reasons to slag him off have to be found.

This is from the post match interview:

Do you understand the fans’ frustrations?

“Yes, of course.

“It’s arguably the worst we’ve been since I’ve been here.

“I’ve been here for nine months now but we today we didn’t have any spark.

“We didn’t do anything with the ball or without it.

“We look jaded.

“I look at myself and take the responsibility for that. I should have done better.

The jaded one is unacceptable.  Some have played two games on the international break, but not many of them.  For those that didn't go away to be jaded simply isn't good enough and he has to take responsibility for that. 

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It is unacceptable but he's right, they looked jaded and ineffectual. Like they'd all been on a stag do and turned up expecting to play bubble football half cut.

[olaftab]

I don't give a **** how honest he is it's of no use to us if he is recounting one miserable result after another.  It's results he needs to get. And as far as honesty is concerned he can't even get simple stuff right. 3 weeks ago he was here 6 months last week he was here 10 months and yesterday 9 months FFS what is that? And its 11 MONTHS Bruce just check your contract. You were appointed on 12 October 2016.

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So it's 11 months in two days. Who really cares.

[Villa75]

So it's 11 months in two days. Who really cares.

We all should care.

Because 11 months and still dishing up this kind of performance should be unacceptable for any manager, let alone a Villa manager.

6-7 months and some might want to give an experienced manager the benefit of the doubt.

[Villa75]

He tells the truth?

He went from 6 months to 9 months managing us in a few weeks!

Do you seriously think that was a considered deception rather than merely a mistake?

It is, however, a good illustration of the trend I am describing whereby every single thing becomes subject to scrutiny and over analysis. There is enough important stuff to focus on, namely poor results and performances, without the additional nitpicking.

I think it was another attempt to bullshit the gullible.

You come across, in this exchange, like a conspiracy theory fruitcake.

Absolute nonsense.

The guy is in survival mode and desperate. He spews out any old nonsense in the hope some of it will create enough of a smokescreen to placate the gullible amongst us.

It seems he's not entirely wrong.

You appear to confuse gullible with objective. Or perhaps you are right and Bruce is a manipulative genius.

Back to the game, this is the post match thread after which he has said that he got things wrong but I guess that is spin and bullshit too.

I am a bit bored of this now, it's pointless, petty nitpicking and adds little so I shal leave it there.

OK. Let's put the "petty nitpicking" to one side. Why don't you give us your "objective" view on how Bruce is doing after 11 months?

It would be more interesting to hear than you critique of fellow posters.

[Ian.]

Individually and collectively crap. Green, Onamah and Davis all now injured which confirms my view that you need to handle young players carefully at this stage of their development. There needs to be a huge response from manager, coaches and players on Tuesday otherwise things will turn nasty.

Davis has been carrying an injury so really shouldn't have played.

Maybe Bruce being forced to make changes on Tuesday night will see us return to winning ways. It worked against Norwich, it's when he has a full squad to choose from he has problems.

If this happens, can't wait for his finger pointing, fan criticising, impossible job under the circumstances, me I am not appreciated, it's nonsense post match interview.

Wait until he blames the fans for not giving him a chance because he once managed the Rags. He has form. Did similar at Sunderland for being a Geordie.

Never ever the fault of the manager is it? Wouldn't it be nice if they just for once admitted they fucked up. Occasionally it happens in everyone's job, you put your hand up and oppoligise.

If you read his post match comments he does just that, there are lots of things to criticise but as managers go I think Bruce is more honest than most.

Fair enough Chris. To be perfectly honest after the Norwich match I have given up listening to him. I didn't like his cocky tone after that match. My mistake just read a few things on here and I thought he was covering his arse.

That aside we have not started this season very well again and I'm quite positive the Norwich game was a bit of a fluke.

[paul_e]

Individually and collectively crap. Green, Onamah and Davis all now injured which confirms my view that you need to handle young players carefully at this stage of their development. There needs to be a huge response from manager, coaches and players on Tuesday otherwise things will turn nasty.

Davis has been carrying an injury so really shouldn't have played.

Maybe Bruce being forced to make changes on Tuesday night will see us return to winning ways. It worked against Norwich, it's when he has a full squad to choose from he has problems.

If this happens, can't wait for his finger pointing, fan criticising, impossible job under the circumstances, me I am not appreciated, it's nonsense post match interview.

Wait until he blames the fans for not giving him a chance because he once managed the Rags. He has form. Did similar at Sunderland for being a Geordie.

Never ever the fault of the manager is it? Wouldn't it be nice if they just for once admitted they fucked up. Occasionally it happens in everyone's job, you put your hand up and oppoligise.

If you read his post match comments he does just that, there are lots of things to criticise but as managers go I think Bruce is more honest than most.

Fair enough Chris. To be perfectly honest after the Norwich match I have given up listening to him. I didn't like his cocky tone after that match. My mistake just read a few things on here and I thought he was covering his arse.

That aside we have not started this season very well again and I'm quite positive the Norwich game was a bit of a fluke.

Yeah, I thought his post match comments after this one were tame compared to Reading (which was as if he'd watched a different game) and Norwich (where he came across as a right tit).  The only bit that really annoyed me yesterday was the comments about Davis's fitness.  If he's struggling with an injury and you've watched a first half that poor why the fuck would you wait until he injures himself to make the change.  I get why he started and I don't think anyone was critical of that but letting him run himself into the ground and possibly losing him for a couple of games when you know he's not fit is pathetic management for me.

[steffo]

Like Lambert before isn't it down to the coaching? Clemence and Calderwood....

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Our goalkeeping coach deserves some credit. Johnstone made three cracking saves to keep us in the game. Mourinho must be delighted.

[olaftab]

So it's 11 months in two days. Who really cares.

I care because our Manager should have a better grip on simple facts. It's important also that he should remember as to how many salary cheques he has picked up from us.

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It's an irrelevance. 10 months, 11 months. It makes no odds to anything at all.

[olaftab]

Our goalkeeping coach deserves some credit. Johnstone made three cracking saves to keep us in the game. Mourinho must be delighted.

Yes that's a credit to both Sam and his coach. He is becoming almost reliable and dominant. Shame he is here on loan.

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He'll sign a pre-contract with us in January. Hes not going back to Man United.