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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on September 09, 2017, 04:54:49 PM
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TAXI!
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Fuck off, times up.
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I'll pay
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Disgusting and unacceptable result.
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Shambles. A point a game is dismal.
If Boro come on Tuesday and win comfortably it wouldn't shock me if the trigger is pulled.
We can't waste much more of this season.
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Bruce out.
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Kebab for Bruce.
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I'm glad the Villa Engine is now up and running.
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Feckin' useless
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Not more excuses. Bruce has to go.
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Shambles. A point a game is dismal.
If Boro come on Tuesday and win comfortably it wouldn't shock me if the trigger is pulled.
We can't waste much more of this season.
He needs to be gone before then.
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4 games unbeaten now this is the consistency we've been crying out for
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I'll pay
We already do. Big time.
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Awful, a point at home to Brentford flatters us, we really got away with this one. 1 shot on target and it took 85 minutes.
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Kebab for Bruce.
Good swap
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Pathetic.
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Do let the door hit you on the way out, Potato Fuck. It'll give you some idea of how painful your tenure here has been.
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Terrible.
Crap line up given the players on the bench. Elmo - Not sure what he brings given we already have Albert and now Snodgrass.
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I'm sick of us being absolutely diabolical. Fuck it all.
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Genuinely shambolic. Brentford can count themselves very unlucky to not have gone away with a sound 4 or 5 goal win.
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Yelp.
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Sadly that just reinforces the notion that Bruce got lucky against Norwich.
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I don't understand why they're delaying the inevitable to the point at which it becomes impossible for the new guy.
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Is there any team in this league worse than Villa under Bruce??
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We aren't going up this season are we?
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We aren't going up this season are we?
I don't think we're going up again, ever.
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I don't understand why they're delaying the inevitable to the point at which it becomes impossible for the new guy.
Tradition?
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I don't understand why they're delaying the inevitable to the point at which it becomes impossible for the new guy.
Tradition?
Must be.
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We aren't going up this season are we?
I don't think we're going up again, ever.
Not with managers the Villa employ
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Is there any team in this league worse than Villa under Bruce??
Burton. Yay!!
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That's as bad as I have ever seen a Villa team. Yes we've been battered in the PL, but at least it was the PL. We were played off the park by the Mighty Fucking Brentford FFS. Thank goodness Sam Johnstone had a good game because that could have been a lot worse.
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He has to go. There are no signs of any improvement in the style of play regardless of the team selected and the opposition however poor.
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I wonder how he will sugar coat that shit?
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Is there any team in this league worse than Villa under Bruce??
I've only seen us play once this season, away at Reading, after which I concluded no, there isn't.
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Dreadful. Time's up Fistface.
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4 games unbeaten now this is the consistency we've been crying out for
We had this kind of consistency under Roberto. Albeit without looking quite so gut wrenchingly shit quite so much of the time.
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Well that is shocking, 1 shot on target to their 5, we are at home to a team with no money who haven't won a game this season! Yet they still outplay us easily.
Go away Bruce, now.
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You know it's bad when you're goalkeeper is by miles your MOTM at home to fucking Brentford, who sold all their best players recently.
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We aren't going up this season are we?
No, and not for a few good years yet either unless someone wakes up and realises that forward thinking in the managerial selection process is paramount. As I've just posted elsewhere, arse and collar the useless, technically inept dinosaur out of the door...tonight!
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Guaranteed the international break will be mentioned in his post-match bollocks.
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Can we swap managers please with Brentford?
Bruce - all his business done in January and early in the window.
Smith - lost arguably his 2 best players on the deadline day.
One of the above just got his side to out work, out think and out play the other. The other watches his team getting battered and the answer is Gabby.
Times up I'm afraid.
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Someone tweet Xia and appraise him. Bruce out. Now. Enough is enough. I'm sick of us being super shit.
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Guaranteed the international break will be mentioned in his post-match bollocks.
As well as "not enough quality in the final third" and all the other shit he's been saying constantly for 10 months but has totally failed to rectify.
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Boring boring Villa, so biring that I fell asleep watching the game on AVTV even if my kids were playing and shouting near me.
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Someone tweet Xia and appraise him. Bruce out. Now. Enough is enough. I'm sick of us being super shit.
There's about a hundred people who have already done this.
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Just sack him and play without a manager
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They had 10 shots on target.
If the Sports Argus was still going, our form rate would be "Dismal".
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Guaranteed the international break will be mentioned in his post-match bollocks.
I'm certain he'll see that as two more good halves of football.
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Can I go back to calling him Fistface again now? Please?
One shot on target against that shower, with our squad, just not acceptable.
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Astonishingly bad. Again.
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Until today I have been hoping Bruce would come good. But that performance, after all the crap we have seen over the past year, has crossed a red line.
He needs to be axed, tonight. No more excuses with the players we have. No excuses whatsoever. I hate some of the abuse he gets, but plain and simple he has failed.
It is very clearly not working, and a change needs to be made now. Tonight. Before he leaves the stadium. We need a new manager to kick these f-ing players up their arses and get them to show some f-ing passion for the whole 95 minutes, not just once we are in extra time. We are Aston Villa FFS. We made Brentford look like Barcelona in comparison.
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Guaranteed the international break will be mentioned in his post-match bollocks.
I'm certain he'll see that as two more good halves of football.
Both suppositions are correct
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He will just trot out the usual diatribe of bland footballing cliches. He is a nice bloke but a Dinosaur. A jobbing manager who has done the circuit for too long. Football has moved on. Despite having one of the strongest squads in the league we invariably look like scoring regardless of who we play.
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Sam Johnstone superb
Onomah good
Terry good
Rest mirrored the performance of their manager for the last 2 games, truly dire!
He is a cowardly manager who has no courage to attack.
No way we get out of this league from the top if he stays in charge....
Won't happen though, we are stuck with him for another 6 weeks at least
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Someone tweet Xia and appraise him. Bruce out. Now. Enough is enough. I'm sick of us being super shit.
Not that it makes any difference, but I just have....for the first time ever. Enough is enough. UTV.
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As soon as I saw the team sheet I knew.
Tactically inept to play one up top at home.
Just like Rednapp these dinosaurs are yesterday's men
Sack him now
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Sam Johnstone man oaf the match nothing else needs adding
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'We've had a horrible one. There wasn't much in the game and I thought the players tired towards the end. That's understandable given the international games. I haven't seen the penalty shout back but that changes the game if he gives it. Brentford are a very decent side under Dean and he would have had them fired up. I keep saying it but we are the big scalp in this division but we have to be up to the challenge.'
Is my post match interview prediction.
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45 years of watching Villa,that performance is in the bottom five.
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Ironically in today's programme was a picture of my previous worst ever game. 0-0 v Barnsley in 1987.
Today's performance was right up there, if not worse.
Playing one up top against the second bottom team in the league?
Man of the match our keeper?
Goodbye Bruce, you incompetent twat.
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'We've had a horrible one. There wasn't much in the game and I thought the players tired towards the end. That's understandable given the international games. I haven't seen the penalty shout back but that changes the game if he gives it. Brentford are a very decent side under Dean and he would have had them fired up. I keep saying it but we are the big scalp in this division but we have to be up to the challenge.'
Is my post match interview prediction.
It would be impossible to tell whether that's a genuine quote or satire.
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'We've had a horrible one. There wasn't much in the game and I thought the players tired towards the end. That's understandable given the international games. I haven't seen the penalty shout back but that changes the game if he gives it. Brentford are a very decent side under Dean and he would have had them fired up. I keep saying it but we are the big scalp in this division but we have to be up to the challenge.'
Is my post match interview prediction.
Unfortunately , that's probably spot on.
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'We've had a horrible one. There wasn't much in the game and I thought the players tired towards the end. That's understandable given the international games. I haven't seen the penalty shout back but that changes the game if he gives it. Brentford are a very decent side under Dean and he would have had them fired up. I keep saying it but we are the big scalp in this division but we have to be up to the challenge.'
Is my post match interview prediction.
Brentford are such a decent side they have 3 from 6 games. And he'll probably still trot it out.
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Indeed...worryingly real!
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Dean Smith got more from his team than Bruce did. Fair play they did a number on us. We are very poor
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Indeed...worryingly real!
I took it as real.
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Bruce please feck off now
Gabby is still playing for us !!!!!
you play a makeshift Brentford team at home and have 1 shot on target the whole game
Elmo makes Kachoul look like David Silva
Johnstone was easily the man of the match and Brentford could have had 5
Snodgrass looked ok but will turn into Holman while Bruce is at the club.
He needs Kodja to save his managerial life , because he has not got a clue still with all the money he has spent.
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We've played Brentford 3 time's in 12 months and failed to beat them? This club is an embarassment
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Terrible.
Crap line up given the players on the bench. Elmo - Not sure what he brings given we already have Albert and now Snodgrass.
and is still on the pitch at the end
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We've played Brentford 3 time's in 12 months and failed to beat them? This club is an embarassment
And scored 1 goal.
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Someone tweet Xia and appraise him. Bruce out. Now. Enough is enough. I'm sick of us being super shit.
There's about a hundred people who have already done this.
Good, keep it coming. It's not getting any better and won't with Bruce in charge. Have the guts to make a change and stop listening to Wyness.
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I have turned. Bruce out. Playing shit and not beating shit teams. He obv cannot get a good tune out of this squad.
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Well done to everybody who booed the team off at half time.....it helped enormously. I know we were crap, but booing at half time? From the same lot who sing shit support to the brentford fans.
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I thought Snodgrass looked slow, overweight and a bit of a fanny.
Haven't we got enough of them at the club !!!!
Apart from the despair of seeing us play shit, they let me down for £98.
Get rid of the Manager, he's just not good enough. Why not play Hogan and Davies together !!!
Nick
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How far behind were we when RDM got the sack? And who do we even bring in?
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Well done to everybody who booed the team off at half time.....it helped enormously. I know we were crap, but booing at half time? From the same lot who sing shit support to the brentford fans.
People are paying for entertainment. They have every right to boo.
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I'm so pissed off Im going shopping.
Buying bog rolls and washing powder is more fun than watching that bucket of donkey spunk. Thanks for that one Jimbo, it cheered up a very dismal afternoon.
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Didn't boo, but understand why. Especially after bruces reaction to the criticism.
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The clock is ticking...we had 6 points from 6 games last season. It is nowhere near enough to be in contention for top 6.
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Bruce please feck off now
Gabby is still playing for us !!!!!
you play a makeshift Brentford team at home and have 1 shot on target the whole game
Elmo makes Kachoul look like David Silva
Johnstone was easily the man of the match and Brentford could have had 5
Snodgrass looked ok but will turn into Holman while Bruce is at the club.
He needs Kodja to save his managerial life , because he has not got a clue still with all the money he has spent.
He played with one striker. At home. To Brentford. Why Hogan and Snograss didn't start ahead of 2 from Green, Onomah and Elmo is anyone's guess.
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Well done to everybody who booed the team off at half time.....it helped enormously. I know we were crap, but booing at half time? From the same lot who sing shit support to the brentford fans.
People are paying for entertainment. They have every right to boo.
What can people realistically do? People been patient for years now and yet it never gets any better.
Even when there's little dissent from the crowd the team simply refuses to win games.
People can see the season is already drifting despite all the usual summer hype so no surprise people are unhappy.
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Snodgrass hasn't played a game this season or trained with the squad before yesterday - that's why I guess
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Outplayed by Brentford at home if hadn't been for Johnstone they'd have won comfortably, just sack that moron now I'm sick to death of watching this drivel.
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We need to beat ?Boro on Tuesday. If we don't Bruce has to go before we are potentially 13 points off the top. Today was abject.
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So we got a team filled of overpaid old "hasbeens" that just signed because old loyalties to Bruce and his promises to make them starters,
Said Bruce then makes good on his word and start Whealan, Terry, Elmo, Taylor (and Gabby whenever he gets a chance) and have them perform some embarrassingly gameplan that leaves us outplayed by giants like Brentford at Home!
As much as I would like to get rid of Bruce it would put Villa in a very bad spot with all these old players (who in their own minds are still in their prime and promised to be paramount in Villa plans by Bruce) sowing dissent and undercutting any new manager daring to change the pecking order.
Pile on the time until January window and restrictions on transfers... this we are stuck between a Rock and a Hard Face :(
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Bruce interview https://www.facebook.com/pg/avfcofficial/videos/
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Bruce interview https://www.facebook.com/pg/avfcofficial/videos/
Nice reading off the script Kippax provided.
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Not only is the result bad but more importantly the performance is truly shocking at home to the Bees. Can't see an improvement any time soon.
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We've played Brentford 3 time's in 12 months and failed to beat them? This club is an embarassment
Some people just do nothing.
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Just woke up so I havent seen the game. When I saw 0-0 I assumed we had battered them and they had somehow managed to hold on. In the words of MON "I now realise that was naive of me."
An African reverser of that? Bloody hell. Thats not good.
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Pretty honest interview. No way near good enough. If he had rested the youngsters this place would have gone into meltdown. He couldn't win that one.
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A performance in the managers image, dull, ponderous and scared.
Id get rid tonight
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I get that horrible feeling that our goalkeeper will end up being our player of the season.
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The boos were for Bruce and his lack of adventurous tactics,not directed at these "19 and 20 year olds".Poor hiding by Bruce
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Well done to everybody who booed the team off at half time.....it helped enormously. I know we were crap, but booing at half time? From the same lot who sing shit support to the brentford fans.
If i want to boo i'll boo thanks
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Pretty honest interview. No way near good enough. If he had rested the youngsters this place would have gone into meltdown. He couldn't win that one.
He can't blame it on the kids etc even though he's trying to, only the keeper came out of that game with any real credit. It's the shit 'tactics' and negative football that cost us any chance of a win. Again.
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Pretty honest interview. No way near good enough. If he had rested the youngsters this place would have gone into meltdown. He couldn't win that one.
With respect his job is to pick the team to do the job and not pick a team to appease press and/or fans. If his experience told him that kids were tired after the internationals and still played them its his judgement that's compromised.So he fucked up in team selection.
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For the love of god Bruce just go will yer... Shambolic to have so few shots on target at home.
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Dreadful performance. Sick to death of waiting for this team to click. The formation just isn't working, Bruce. Change it to something more adventurous before you're sacked.
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The players are paid a lot of money. They should not need someone kicking their arses and telling them how to play. They are (professionals?) and should be working together and understanding where eacch other is on the pitch.
Any way who would want to take on this job? suggestions please
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Well done to everybody who booed the team off at half time.....it helped enormously. I know we were crap, but booing at half time? From the same lot who sing shit support to the brentford fans.
If i want to boo i'll boo thanks
Same here. Football's a passionate game and if you continue to serve up dross you're entitled to boo. It's part and parcel of the game.
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I watched on a very poor AVTV signal.
First half it seemed we had possession but clueless approaching their penalty box.
2nd half. signal got worse and I kept seeing Johnstone making game saving, saves.
Fucking crap.
Get rid, put a Pumpkin with a painted face in the tactical area and he would have more clue than potato face.
The clock is ticking, put it forward and get rid.
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'We've had a horrible one. There wasn't much in the game and I thought the players tired towards the end. That's understandable given the international games. I haven't seen the penalty shout back but that changes the game if he gives it. Brentford are a very decent side under Dean and he would have had them fired up. I keep saying it but we are the big scalp in this division but we have to be up to the challenge.'
Is my post match interview prediction.
Brentford are such a decent side they have 3 from 6 games. And he'll probably still trot it out.
He F in said that 3 times 3 times "Brentford are a very good team."
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I'm sceptical on the jaded kids point anyway. We haven't played for two weeks.
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I'm sceptical on the jaded kids point anyway. We haven't played for two weeks.
Well he fucked up either way.
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Well done to everybody who booed the team off at half time.....it helped enormously. I know we were crap, but booing at half time? From the same lot who sing shit support to the brentford fans.
People are paying for entertainment. They have every right to boo.
What can people realistically do? People been patient for years now and yet it never gets any better.
Even when there's little dissent from the crowd the team simply refuses to win games.
People can see the season is already drifting despite all the usual summer hype so no surprise people are unhappy.
I pay as well and i too understand thefrustration ....but booing at half time does nothing to help a team that has 45 minutes still to play......boo at the end.
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The players are paid a lot of money. They should not need someone kicking their arses and telling them how to play. They are (professionals?) and should be working together and understanding where eacch other is on the pitch.
Any way who would want to take on this job? suggestions please
There is a thread for ya. Plenty of good ones here.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=57679.735
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I'm sceptical on the jaded kids point anyway. We haven't played for two weeks.
Some could have played U21 etc internationals I assume, not sure if any of them did though.
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As soon as I saw the team sheet I knew.
Tactically inept to play one up top at home.
Just like Rednapp these dinosaurs are yesterday's men
Sack him now
Derby played one up front last night vs Hull and scored 5 times. So it's not that. Your point about Bruce being inept and a dinosaur is accurate
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I wonder how Dr Tony is trying to marketing Aston Villa to the new target base of fans in Asia?
We are Aston Villa, we play in a fun color shirts and got a fiery Lion in the badge ( had to cut the "Prepared" because .., well we are not).
Sure as hell cant win any ones loyalty with the negative football Bruce is putting together... Its hard to motivate paying for the tickets...imaging paying millions of pounds for such a lousy return.
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Yes it's not playing one up top that's the problem. It's having no coherent style of play to utilise that one.
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Yes it's not playing one up top that's the problem. It's having no coherent style of play to utilise that one.
Pretty much every game I watch us under Bruce I always get the impression the plan is keep it tight and hope someone does something special. And because of the quality of players we have compared to most in this league we'll manage that sometimes.
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Yes it's not playing one up top that's the problem. It's having no coherent style of play to utilise that one.
And the fact that so many of our players are so out of form. I thought Bree, Whelan, Green, Taylor and others were poor. Chester isn't the same player as last season and fucked up constantly. Hogan came on and inevitably the ball just kept bouncing off him. What's the point of taking off the only player who can hold up the ball and replace him with a player who can't? It just puts pressure on us because everytime the ball is hoofed up front the ball bounces off Hogan and they regain possession. It's so frustrating.
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Yes it's not playing one up top that's the problem. It's having no coherent style of play to utilise that one.
Pretty much every game I watch us under Bruce I always get the impression the plan is keep it tight and hope someone does something special. And because of the quality of players we have compared to most in this league we'll manage that sometimes.
Yep and it's also why we're never going to be consistently good. It's an incredibly negative outlook.
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We had to replace Davies because of injury. Pretty much all 3 were subs were because of injuries which is probably why Elmo wasn't hooked.
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I'll keep this brief because I'm in Majorca and I won't let fist face ruin my holiday. Leeds stuck 5 up a team today. Can you ever imagine us doing the same under this manager? I rest my case, now pass me the Estrella
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Well done to everybody who booed the team off at half time.....it helped enormously. I know we were crap, but booing at half time? From the same lot who sing shit support to the brentford fans.
People are paying for entertainment. They have every right to boo.
What can people realistically do? People been patient for years now and yet it never gets any better.
Even when there's little dissent from the crowd the team simply refuses to win games.
People can see the season is already drifting despite all the usual summer hype so no surprise people are unhappy.
I pay as well and i too understand thefrustration ....but booing at half time does nothing to help a team that has 45 minutes still to play......boo at the end.
Yeah I can understand that POV.
I just think given the dross the VP crowd have seen since 2010 we all know what a lifeless pedestrian performance looks like and I think the booing was for the players and manager to wake up and perform a bit better otherwise we'd dropped another two points.
Sadly that went unheeded.
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i was there, we were shit.
I didn't boo. just because I cannot be bothered.
I think the problem is, that we have no style of play.
bruce doesn't know how to set a team up, to beat 2nd from bottom opposition.
I saw with my own eyes when we were trying to set up an attack in the first half, bruce telling players to get back. wtf.
sorry the guy is out of his depth.
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TAXI!
Quality.
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I dont boo but bloody hell if there was ever a moment... then 2 points off the relegation zone when you are getting outplayed by Brentford at home with a manager who is going backwards after nearly a year in charge .. well that seems like a reasonable place to do it.
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We're we unlucky with the penalty decision? Look nailed on from where I sat but my bias might have influence on that.
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6 points from 6 games...RDM form but worse because bruce has had
nearly a year. Auto promotion fast fading
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I don't think booing at half time is helpful, but at the end of a game like that it is fully deserved.
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TAXI!
Only if the bin men are still on strike.
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We're we unlucky with the penalty decision? Look nailed on from where I sat but my bias might have influence on that.
Challenge on Elmo? Looked to me on (on TV) that their player won the ball, didn't get a reverse angle replay or anything though so can't say for sure.
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I don't think booing at half time is helpful, but at the end of a game like that it is fully deserved.
I don't either but after years of being shit at home i'm not surprised.
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I don't think booing at half time is helpful, but at the end of a game like that it is fully deserved.
It isn't but if ever a half deserved it well it was today.
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No me either, and I'm not judging anyone for it, just think it probably doesn't fill players with confidence. Although when you have a manager who can't set up a side to attack I'm not sure it makes any difference.
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We're we unlucky with the penalty decision? Look nailed on from where I sat but my bias might have influence on that.
Challenge on Elmo? Looked to me on (on TV) that their player won the ball, didn't get a reverse angle replay or anything though so can't say for sure.
Yes. Someone who has seen a replay of it has just told me he won the ball cleanly. Feck, can't even say we were unlucky with a pen decision.
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We have been outplayed 3 times by Brentford in just over 12 months. They have lost their best players and today should have won by 3 goals. Easy to see how Hogan scored so many with their clever short passing around the box, football we haven't played for years.
Yes I would love Dean Smith in our dugout but he would be seen as too low key and that is our problem. If Bruce is canned we know Allardyce or Moyes will come walking through the the door, more dinosaurs.
Kodja's goals will disguise Bruce's failings.
Looks like Traore is on form. He and Assombalonga will cause havoc on Tuesday.
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We're we unlucky with the penalty decision? Look nailed on from where I sat but my bias might have influence on that.
Challenge on Elmo? Looked to me on (on TV) that their player won the ball, didn't get a reverse angle replay or anything though so can't say for sure.
Yes. Someone who has seen a replay of it has just told me he won the ball cleanly. Feck, can't even say we were unlucky with a pen decision.
If we got that and won the game it would have been the greatest robbery ever. We were third best today in a game of two teams.
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Has the Dr walked him around the lotus blossom garden yet?
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Highlightzzzzzzzz (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11027724/aston-villa-0-0-brentford)
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Looks like Traore is on form. He and Assombalonga will cause havoc on Tuesday.
Yeah saw that. Shudder to think what Adama will do to Neil Taylor, who is fucking garbage
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The thing is, that is not the first game that Johnstone has been MOTM.
I thinks it's at least 3 times already this season.
We don't stand a chance of troubling the top 10 with this joker in charge, never mind the top 2.
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Highlightzzzzzzzz (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11027724/aston-villa-0-0-brentford)
oh dear
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As abject as I've seen us at home in this league today. Static. Flat footed. Not wanting the ball. Defensive but with poor defending. God knows what has happened to Darren Chester. I hate booing but it was justified today.
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I thought we were awful. We just about deserved the point.
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For the benefit of this thread, rather than his own, sack the prick.
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I thought we were awful. We just about deserved the point.
Their keeper had nothing to do about from challenge Chester late on, ours was MOTM by miles. We're very lucky to have a point tonight I reckon. If we'd dominated a team like that we'd be gutted not to have all 3 points.
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As abject as I've seen us at home in this league today. Static. Flat footed. Not wanting the ball. Defensive but with poor defending. God knows what has happened to Darren Chester. I hate booing but it was justified today.
James.
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As abject as I've seen us at home in this league today. Static. Flat footed. Not wanting the ball. Defensive but with poor defending. God knows what has happened to Darren Chester. I hate booing but it was justified today.
James.
Darren James, are you sure?
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We just seem to keep sliding down the football league. Our performances seem to go from bad to worse. Where will it all end ?
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We just seem to keep sliding down the football league. Our performances seem to go from bad to worse. Where will it all end ?
Hopefully with Bruce being sacked...within the hour preferably.
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As abject as I've seen us at home in this league today. Static. Flat footed. Not wanting the ball. Defensive but with poor defending. God knows what has happened to Darren Chester. I hate booing but it was justified today.
James.
Darren James, are you sure?
All of the players are changing their names for their own protection.
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I thought we were awful. We just about deserved the point.
How the fuck did we desereve a point when we had on shot on goal to their 10, and our goalkeeper was man of the match. You are living on planet bizarro.
It was bad enough that we were so negative but if this was the plan, why didn't we get someone to close down Ryan Woods, who has now controlled 3 games against us including the ghastly home defeat last season? The fucking Ginger Pirlo. Against us anyway.
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As abject as I've seen us at home in this league today. Static. Flat footed. Not wanting the ball. Defensive but with poor defending. God knows what has happened to Darren Chester. I hate booing but it was justified today.
James.
Darren James, are you sure?
All of the players are changing their names for their own protection.
Dave Agbonlahor is a bit of a ******, apparently.
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I thought we were awful. We just about deserved the point.
How the fuck did we desereve a point when we had on shot on goal to their 10, and our goalkeeper was man of the match. You are living on planet bizarro.
It was bad enough that we were so negative but if this was the plan, why didn't we get someone to close down Ryan Woods, who has now controlled 3 games against us including the ghastly home defeat last season? The fucking Ginger Pirlo. Against us anyway.
Quite. We deserved nothing from that game. Nothing at all.
Is it really beyond the whit of man to pressurise the little ginger twat in their midfield? A fucking gain?
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I thought we were awful. We just about deserved the point.
Fucking hell, that is spin right out of the Steve Bruce book of spin and bullshit.
We were lucky to steal a point.
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I thought we were awful. We just about deserved the point.
How the fuck did we desereve a point when we had on shot on goal to their 10, and our goalkeeper was man of the match. You are living on planet bizarro.
It was bad enough that we were so negative but if this was the plan, why didn't we get someone to close down Ryan Woods, who has now controlled 3 games against us including the ghastly home defeat last season? The fucking Ginger Pirlo. Against us anyway.
I meant just about desereved a point in that we didn't at all. I worded it wrongly. Undeservedly would have been better. My bad, as the kids say.
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We just seem to keep sliding down the football league. Our performances seem to go from bad to worse. Where will it all end ?
Hopefully with Bruce being sacked...within the hour preferably.
Time to go Dave, I think most have had enough, sadly again. When will it end?
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I thought we were awful. We just about deserved the point.
Brentford have grounds to commence criminal proceedings due to the daylight robbery we performed today.
We were absolutely abysmal and a 3-0 loss would have flattered us.
I'd say that Johnstone was excellent, Terry the best of a very bad bunch at the back and Onomah and Davies were serviceable at times. The rest were utter garbage. No urgency apart from a few minutes after half time and a few minutes at the end, players dwelling on the ball by our own penalty box, full backs who have clearly never heard the word "overlap, nonchalantly giving the ball away in dangerous areas, one shot on target....... etc etc
I would love to see a comparison of how much money our players are on compared to Brentford's. They were easily the more accomplished footballers today
Edit: Just seen your subsequent post :D
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As abject as I've seen us at home in this league today. Static. Flat footed. Not wanting the ball. Defensive but with poor defending. God knows what has happened to Darren Chester. I hate booing but it was justified today.
James.
Oh yeah. I know a Darren Chester, hence the error. You can always count on the good burghers of H and V to pick you up on s mistake though. ( Notice I was careful not to type burger?)
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Again it's the energy and drive we lack. Pedestrian in attack, dis-organised at set peices and a lack of effort in closing down and making life difficult for the opposition. And fcuking throw-ins fired at players waists where we lose possesion within 5 seconds.
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The game was SB's Waterloo. What a clusterfuck of a game.
Bree, Elmo, Whelan and Chester were abysmal and I thought Snoddy looked pretty rank - the Messiah he ain't (he's just a very naughty boy).
I don't get why Terry is there at all: he shows no signs of leadership on the pitch and got caught out a couple of times. Yes, his ball distribution was good but I'm almost pining for Baker (never thought I'd think that!).
He could have put a couple of kids on the bench to inject same raw energy and enthusiam (where are Lyden, Lloyd-Hayes, Mckirdy and O'Hare?). Instead we got Flabby.
There appears to be no distinctive game style; no evidence of effective coaching and training (God, if I see another throw in going to the oppo again ...); no in game management; and no leadership.
He should get the sack tomorrow morning.
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Where was De Laet and Adomah? De Laet is easily our best RB and Adomah should never be out the side in place of Elmo.
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I thought we were awful. We just about deserved the point.
How the fuck did we desereve a point when we had on shot on goal to their 10, and our goalkeeper was man of the match. You are living on planet bizarro.
It was bad enough that we were so negative but if this was the plan, why didn't we get someone to close down Ryan Woods, who has now controlled 3 games against us including the ghastly home defeat last season? The fucking Ginger Pirlo. Against us anyway.
I meant just about desereved a point in that we didn't at all. I worded it wrongly. Undeservedly would have been better. My bad, as the kids say.
Fair play, so.
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How did Hourihane do?
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If Tuesday doesn't go well then I can see boo's followes by a song
"The boos are for you, the boos are for you, steve Bruce the boos are for you"
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We're we unlucky with the penalty decision? Look nailed on from where I sat but my bias might have influence on that.
Challenge on Elmo? Looked to me on (on TV) that their player won the ball, didn't get a reverse angle replay or anything though so can't say for sure.
Yes. Someone who has seen a replay of it has just told me he won the ball cleanly. Feck, can't even say we were unlucky with a pen decision.
Watching from North Upper I was surprised that it wasn't given but understandable that with Elmo involved any young professional footballer like their defender would get there first. So I didn't abuse the ref like others around me did.
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How did Hourihane do?
Quiet, subdued and ineffective.
That could apply to most of them.
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As for the 'villa engine'...well I think we need the Ferrari team of mechanics to even get the damm thing to start let alone run smoothly and as for accelerate. .!!
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This Villa engine has just been purchased from Taroni's scrap yard, came out of a Lada apparently.
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Took my 6 year old lad today he's been a few times and enjoyed it. Told me he don't want to go anymore because it's boring. I couldn't really argue with him, sad times.
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I spent large parts of the game today bored out of my skull. It was clear from the first minute that Bruce had us set up to defend against a side who had just lost three of their best players. I'm only surprised we didn't lose.
Once again we play a team capable of quick, skilful, clever passing, whereas we take an age to create anything.
Well done Sam Johnstone, MOM for me, saved the day, literally.
I hope when the Brentford team bus was ready to leave that we stopped Dean Smith from getting on. Make him an offer and get rid of this fucking dinasour who will take us nowhere.
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Aston Villa manager Steve Bruce was full of praise for Brentford and admitted his side were grateful to Sam Johnstone for leaving the contest with a point.
The Villans stopper made key saves to deny Josh Clarke and Ollie Watkins in the second half as the Bees outclassed the home side.
And Bruce was left frustrated by his side's performance that saw them booed off by their supporters.
He said: “It was frustrating and disappointing and I'm thankful to take a point. The goalkeeper has earned his spurs today.
“I was conscious of the fact that practically the whole team have been away on international and, in hindsight, especially the young ones who have been with England all had to come off.
“Keinan (Davis) was sore yesterday while Greeny (Andre Green) and Josh (Onomah) picked up injuries an
“In hindsight, I blame myself as the young ones give us the spark have been away. I should have been better.
“I take responsibility for it as there was no real freshness. Too many have been away and we were flat as we could be.”
Bruce didn't feel the Bees caused any surprises, despite their difficult start to the season and selling Jota, Harlee Dean and Maxime Colin to Birmingham in the closing stages of the transfer window.
He added: “They didn't surprise me. They've been like that for two or three years. They've come to Villa Park and played with a freedom.
“People love taking their players off them because of how well they've done. They've still got some very good players.
“They caused us problems and they were excellent. They'll be fine in the league this season. Don't worry about that.”
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Just Fuck off Bruce you prick! Sorry for the language but this is garbage even on the Lambert scale, idiot, idiot, idiot Sack him ASAP
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I don't think there's anything wrong with what he's said and as honest as he's been, it's going to eventually wear thin.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with what he's said and as honest as he's been, it's going to eventually wear thin.
It's already thin
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It was a draw, so why do I think it was a loss?
A lot to put right before Tuesday.
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It was a draw, so why do I think it was a loss?
Because Sir it was shite and the normal shite that is served up by a shite manager 😳
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Why do some people predict 3 or 4 nil wins pre match? I'm genuinely more surprised when we win these days and I called a draw before the game. Brentford have sold all their best players and still looked a million miles ahead of us.
Roll on Tuesday when Boro tear us a new arsehole in front of 25,000.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with what he's said and as honest as he's been, it's going to eventually wear thin.
It's worn thin already, because what he's talking about is another appalling display and piss poor result. He could be as honest as he likes for as long as he likes if we were winning 3-0.
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It was a draw, so why do I think it was a loss?
Because Sir it was shite and the normal shite that is served up by a shite manager 😳
Wrong.
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It was a draw, so why do I think it was a loss?
Because Sir it was shite and the normal shite that is served up by a shite manager 😳
I'm not a sir, but the sentiments are shared
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It was a draw, so why do I think it was a loss?
Because Sir it was shite and the normal shite that is served up by a shite manager 😳
Ahem! That 'Sir' is a lady, and a very nice one too if I may be so bold.
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It was a draw, so why do I think it was a loss?
Because Sir it was shite and the normal shite that is served up by a shite manager 😳
Ahem! That 'Sir' is a lady, and a very nice one too if I may be so bold.
You certainly may
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Still a lot to put right before tuesday
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It was a draw, so why do I think it was a loss?
Because Sir it was shite and the normal shite that is served up by a shite manager 😳
I'm not a sir, but the sentiments are shared
Very sorry, no offence intended 👍
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It was a draw, so why do I think it was a loss?
Because Sir it was shite and the normal shite that is served up by a shite manager 😳
I'm not a sir, but the sentiments are shared
Very sorry, no offence intended 👍
No probs, Three Spires
UTV!
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....and the players are tired in September.
Bless them. At least that would explain the tactics of trying to remain in our half for as long as possible during the 90 minutes.
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How did Hourihane do?
He reverted back to playing in a deeper role which as you can imagine led to him being bang average. This goes back to the fucking negative prick Bruce taking a good situation after Norwich and Wigan and going with 3 CB's at Bristol City. Fucking around with a positive system and situation and mentality and playing not to lose.
We were at home to Brentord. Fucking Brentford. And we played like we were running in concrete, or the players had been heavily drugged before the starts. No energy. No passion. No drive. No desire. Brentford won every second ball. They were quick and alert throughout.
The only thing we were lucky in is that they are second bottom and finished like they are second bottom. They will feel they were unlucky not to score 4 times. We were that shit.
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....and the players are tired in September.
Bless them. At least that would explain the tactics of trying to remain in our half for as long as possible during the 90 minutes.
Ha ha
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How did Hourihane do?
He reverted back to playing in a deeper role which as you can imagine led to him being bang average. This goes back to the fucking negative prick Bruce taking a good situation after Norwich and Wigan and going with 3 CB's at Bristol City. Fucking around with a positive system and situation and mentality and playing not to lose.
We were at home to Brentord. Fucking Brentford. And we played like we were running in concrete, or the players had been heavily drugged before the starts. No energy. No passion. No drive. No desire. Brentford won every second ball. They were quick and alert throughout.
The only thing we were lucky in is that they are second bottom and finished like they are second bottom. They will feel they were unlucky not to score 4 times. We were that shit.
I take it you weren't very impressed TV?
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Can't wait to see Traore against Taylor and Terry Tuesday.
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....and the players are tired in September.
Bless them. At least that would explain the tactics of trying to remain in our half for as long as possible during the 90 minutes.
How many players in the team we put out today could have had jet lag?
Like, on a plane within 24 hours or 48 hours of the game.
And, if anybody was, isn't that what a squad is for?
And a bench?
Really, I'm just asking.
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How did Hourihane do?
He reverted back to playing in a deeper role which as you can imagine led to him being bang average. This goes back to the fucking negative prick Bruce taking a good situation after Norwich and Wigan and going with 3 CB's at Bristol City. Fucking around with a positive system and situation and mentality and playing not to lose.
We were at home to Brentord. Fucking Brentford. And we played like we were running in concrete, or the players had been heavily drugged before the starts. No energy. No passion. No drive. No desire. Brentford won every second ball. They were quick and alert throughout.
The only thing we were lucky in is that they are second bottom and finished like they are second bottom. They will feel they were unlucky not to score 4 times. We were that shit.
I take it you weren't very impressed TV?
My first game at VP in 4 years and that's what they served up. I can deal with losing. What I fucking hate is what I saw today. Today wasn't a point gained just because got one and lucky in that. It was two lost because we were wank in every conceivable way against a side who were there for the taking.
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Can't wait to see Traore against Taylor and Terry Tuesday.
I thought Terry was our best outfield player today. I know 'damned by faint praise' springs to mind but he played well actually.
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Can't wait to see Traore against Taylor and Terry Tuesday.
I thought Terry was our best outfield player today. I know 'damned by faint praise' springs to mind but he played well actually.
Yeah, but that sheer pace up against those 2.....it's gonna be painful.
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Has anyone ever seen Steve Bruce and Terry Fuckwit together in the same room? There is a striking intellectual as well as physical resemblance. I have my suspicions.
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Can't wait to see Traore against Taylor and Terry Tuesday.
Of course Traore had his best game for Boro today before they play us. He's going to tear us a new one.
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Can't wait to see Traore against Taylor and Terry Tuesday.
Of course Traore had his best game for Boro today before they play us. He's going to tear us a new one.
His thinking will be, "I hated it here, you were shit and you never played me"...he will never pass it, he will score and Taylor will be sent off after running in custard.
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Can't wait to see Traore against Taylor and Terry Tuesday.
I thought Terry was our best outfield player today. I know 'damned by faint praise' springs to mind but he played well actually.
It was alarming looking at the highlights and seeing our defence constantly being caught out by a couple of quick one twos on the halfway line.
It's o.k playing a high line but with Terry in we really don't have the legs to play that type of defensive system.
I agree Terry hasn't been that bad but increasingly it looks a signing more trouble than it was worth given Chester's performances have declined.
We kept a clean sheet finally but that was more due to some excellent saves.
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....and the players are tired in September.
Bless them. At least that would explain the tactics of trying to remain in our half for as long as possible during the 90 minutes.
How many players in the team we put out today could have had jet lag?
Like, on a plane within 24 hours or 48 hours of the game.
And, if anybody was, isn't that what a squad is for?
And a bench?
Really, I'm just asking.
The Promotion Expert said in his post match that some players didn't report for training till Thursday morning that means all had flown back on Wednesday from wherever. Bearing in mind they fly in comfort class I would have thought there was no jet lag today unless say Jedinak was in Australia. And in any case as you said he has a massive squad.
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Can't wait to see Traore against Taylor and Terry Tuesday.
Of course Traore had his best game for Boro today before they play us. He's going to tear us a new one.
His thinking will be, "I hated it here, you were shit and you never played me"...he will never pass it, he will score and Taylor will be sent off after running in custard.
Honestly you two are building Troare into Messi. He is not all that. In any case I doubt if he he cares very much about us and his so called treatment as you put it.
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....and the players are tired in September.
Bless them. At least that would explain the tactics of trying to remain in our half for as long as possible during the 90 minutes.
How many players in the team we put out today could have had jet lag?
Like, on a plane within 24 hours or 48 hours of the game.
And, if anybody was, isn't that what a squad is for?
And a bench?
Really, I'm just asking.
The Promotion Expert said in his post match that some players didn't report for training till Thursday morning that means all had flown back on Wednesday from wherever. Bearing in mind they fly in comfort class I would have thought there was no jet lag today unless say Jedinak was in Australia. And in any case as you said he has a massive squad.
Blaming International games is a fkn joke, re, MC, ARSE, TOTT, etc,etc.
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....and the players are tired in September.
Bless them. At least that would explain the tactics of trying to remain in our half for as long as possible during the 90 minutes.
How many players in the team we put out today could have had jet lag?
Like, on a plane within 24 hours or 48 hours of the game.
And, if anybody was, isn't that what a squad is for?
And a bench?
Really, I'm just asking.
The Promotion Expert said in his post match that some players didn't report for training till Thursday morning that means all had flown back on Wednesday from wherever. Bearing in mind they fly in comfort class I would have thought there was no jet lag today unless say Jedinak was in Australia. And in any case as you said he has a massive squad.
Blaming International games is a fkn joke, re, MC, ARSE, TOTT, etc,etc.
Thanks olaftab
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Can't wait to see Traore against Taylor and Terry Tuesday.
Of course Traore had his best game for Boro today before they play us. He's going to tear us a new one.
His thinking will be, "I hated it here, you were shit and you never played me"...he will never pass it, he will score and Taylor will be sent off after running in custard.
Honestly you two are building Troare into Messi. He is not all that. In any case I doubt if he he cares very much about us and his so called treatment as you put it.
I'm not, I know he isn't very good. This is Villa we're talking about though, he'll have a field day.
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Can't wait to see Traore against Taylor and Terry Tuesday.
Of course Traore had his best game for Boro today before they play us. He's going to tear us a new one.
His thinking will be, "I hated it here, you were shit and you never played me"...he will never pass it, he will score and Taylor will be sent off after running in custard.
Honestly you two are building Troare into Messi. He is not all that. In any case I doubt if he he cares very much about us and his so called treatment as you put it.
Nah, I don't think he's all that but then you're saying Taylor is Ashley Cole. He will piss all over Taylor and once he's past him he has Usain Terry in front of him. Adama might put one out of infinity on a plate for you but he will take the piss, without question.
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I've got a 3 year old lad asleep in my arms at the moment, he was intrigued by the Man City Liverpool game earlier. I'm waiting and waiting but I am starting to think I can't inflict him with this. We are losing a generation of potential supporters with this toss.
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To sum up how negative Bruce sets us up to be then look no further than how we defend corners. We literally bring back every single man when defending! Why? Do you see any other teams doing this!?
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Just got back. Going to resist the tendency to over-analyse the performance.
FUCKING
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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FUCKING
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Argh!!!!!!!!!!!
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We're in a mess.................... again! >:(
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Them - well drilled players, probably playing to the best of their ability. If they'd had a little extra quality they would have trounced us. The ginger kid Woods sitting in the middle of the park having about five times as many touches of the ball as any Villa player but having team mates constantly finding space and making themselves available.
Us - apart from ninety seconds at the start of the second half did I see us take any control. Static, unimaginative and lacking commitment. I feel sorry for Davies, having little help up front, and Hogan who seems to be the only one who makes clever runs but there's nobody clever enough to find him with a pass.
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The fact that their players were dropping with cramp shows how much intensity they were putting into the performance.
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i've literally just got back in after this shocking performance. Bruce sets us up as if we're already one up and looking to counter attack the whole match. One up front not good enough, totally isolated no matter who it is and everything - and I mean everything - was coming down the wings which is no good if you've only one in the box. Johnstone saved our bacon today.
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Today, and seeing it in the flesh has led me to this statement, is the first time I have truly felt we are a million miles from the PL. Most if not all of that is down to Bruce.
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Today, and seeing it in the flesh has led me to this statement, is the first time I have truly felt we are a million miles from the PL. Most if not all of that is down to Bruce.
We are not a million miles from the PL.
We are fecking light years away, TV.
I am sorry you had to witness that utter shite today, but it's what we have had to endure for years, but you know that.
I hope that your next visit will be more pleasurable, although if it is on Tuesday, I doubt it will be.
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Today, and seeing it in the flesh has led me to this statement, is the first time I have truly felt we are a million miles from the PL. Most if not all of that is down to Bruce.
We are not a million miles from the PL.
We are fecking light years away, TV.
I am sorry you had to witness that utter shite today, but it's what we have had to endure for years, but you know that.
I hope that your next visit will be more pleasurable, although if it is on Tuesday, I doubt it will be.
Andy unfortunately it is on Tuesday. It will be some miracle if Bruce morphs into anything other than what he is by then. So I'm expecting much of the same. I never want us to lose. Never. But a defeat surely to fucking goodness ends Steve Bruce as our manager. That would be a very good thing.
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And yet all the talk on here after the Big Interview was about 'when' we get back up.
We've a bang average Championship team with the parachute payments all but gone. The mismanagement continues into it's 8th year.
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First game live for a while. The guy next to me kept telling me they're over coached and there's no drive and passion. Can't disagree more. Brentford played very well and knew how to squeeze the pitch and control space. We had the better players but the management don't have the know how. Bruce out
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Went out after the being at the game and have only just got home. Awful performance and were lucky to get a point in the end. Brentford just looked so much quicker and sharper than us all over the pitch and it comes when three of the better players on the pitch were the ex-Walsall players (that little ginger lad in midfield again!!).
I didn't think the team selection was too bad, but there were some real stinking performances out there today. After weeks of trumpeting his cause on here, Bree had a shocker, but he wasn't alone as there were others who were just as bad (Elmohamady had another really poor game). We started OK, but it soon became clear that the little ginger lad was sitting just in front of Davis and because we had a holding midfielder, we didn't have anyone closing him down, as Hourihane and Onomah were picking up their two more advanced midfielders. Bruce should have changed it and pushed someone on him, but he was allowed pretty much a free ride for most of the game.
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The thing is, you just know that if Ryan Woods played for us, he'd be as ineffectual as the rest, because of the way the team sets up and approaches thegame.
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I can't add much to what has already been said . And I've seen as much as I can.
My feelings same as Dr T. It was sad disappointed and not good enough.
The small consolations are that there is a match on Tuesday a 3 point win will help us forget this but the wishful thinking may have to stop under this Bruce guy.
And that the international break meant there wasn't a co herent co hersion to get the right tactics for the match and players ready. That is wishful too . And looking for some reason to why the performance wasn't up to standard and not to dwell.
I think Elmohamady was really uneccessary purchase having brought in Snodgrass and I only so so with Chester Taylor and JT even though they are top level players I just like them to show the team how to win !
I really worried that Bruce has addressed away form and now can't even sneak a win at home when below par.
One thing I like to say is Johnston has developed and that's something .
Fair play to brentford but they were not the team and squad of last year and I don't see how Bruce can't seem to organise this lot.
Can anyone who was physically there and near to big mand Calderwood Bruce or visibility to where sat give any info on how they coming across ?
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It was utter tripe. The man needs sacking and I would sooner us lose on Tuesday if it make it happen. Boro will murder us.
We let that little ginger fucker have the run of the park again and Watkins, who I was banging on about us signing for very little all summer, caused us massive problems.
This bellend needs binning immediately if we have any pretentions of being promoted.
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Took me this long to get Home. :'(
Not very good, and worse, not very promising.
Against a team that our opposition had suddenly found money to buy their best 3 players ;D
Brentford rang rings around us.
TERRY :(
The Stand-By Manager ....TERRY.... that so many on here assumed was our future ...was total cr@p ,,imo
I was watching him...the guy hardly runs, he seems to WALK EVERYWHERE.
I doubt his fitness will allow him another 2 matches in 7 days, judging by his 'walking-skills'
... I sometimes think that they are ALL having a LAUGH at XIA.
And...as much as I think XIA is a pr@t.... I do believe that he is being ripped-off from Wyness- Bruce - Terry - down the line.
XIA is an innocent - imo - who believes his own PR.
TONY - NON-DOCTOR - Please get out of Villa.And take those waste of Spaces with you
:'(
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Just got home? Did you walk back on your hands?
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why anyone would think stuffing the team with players who make glaciers look quick was a guaranteed route back into the promised land is beyond me. If the Dr doesn't act now he's as useless as Randy was.
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Just got home? Did you walk back on your hands?
Maybe he drives a Red Lorry Yellow Lorry?
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Why have I had to watch Derby and Brentford look like they play a different sport to us this weekend? It was bad enough when we were playing the rich boys but them?
6 games. 6 points. 7 goals. And more than half in one match.
He is fucking useless and needs removing now.
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we are groundhog day.
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Took me this long to get Home. :'(
Not very good, and worse, not very promising.
Against a team that our opposition had suddenly found money to buy their best 3 players ;D
Brentford rang rings around us.
TERRY :(
The Stand-By Manager ....TERRY.... that so many on here assumed was our future ...was total cr@p ,,imo
I was watching him...the guy hardly runs, he seems to WALK EVERYWHERE.
I doubt his fitness will allow him another 2 matches in 7 days, judging by his 'walking-skills'
... I sometimes think that they are ALL having a LAUGH at XIA.
And...as much as I think XIA is a pr@t.... I do believe that he is being ripped-off from Wyness- Bruce - Terry - down the line.
XIA is an innocent - imo - who believes his own PR.
TONY - NON-DOCTOR - Please get out of Villa.And take those waste of Spaces with you
:'(
The Doctor is pretty much the only ray of sunlight at the club presently (and the youngsters-who under a better manager would be the heartbeat of our team. I include Johnstone, Bree and Onomah in that group)
I can't say I'm too fond of any of our more seasoned 'pros'.
Chester looks dodgy this season, Whelen had a very poor game. Elmo seems lost, Agbonlahor should be thrown down a very wide well....it's.....as mr underhill pointed out above....groundhog day.
A very very poor performance. £110 to watch the games seems like the worst thing I've ever bought at the moment.
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We look a million miles behind the likes of Leeds, Derby, even Wolves. With the players we've got and money we've spent that shouldn't be the case. A year in and we still haven't got a style of play. Surely even Bruce knows sitting in at home against Brentford, who have sold every asset, isn't good enough? People looking in from the outside will think it's ridiculous booing a draw, but it's the manner in which we drew. If we'd battered them and had 20 shots then we'd think fair enough, but they were miles the better side and 0-0 flattered us.
There is no pace in our side, if we come up against a team with pace in midfield or up front we're buggered. We look so slow and laboured on the rare occasion we do go forward. There's no creativity in midfield yet Adomah (who isn't great don't get me wrong) who gets assists isn't even in the squad. Hogan is a waste of money, he doesn't fit into the way we play at all so it was a massive error by Bruce and a bizarre signing. He's obviously just seen someone who scores goals at this level and signed him.
Play how we did yesterday and Boro will murder us. Then for me he has to go.
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Elmohamady did nothing yesterday. Much rather Adomah played on the right instead - he was omitted from the 18 completely yesterday. Whelan was slow and ponderous - bring in Lansbury. In some ways I'd rather play the likes of O'hare, what is there to lose?
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Took me this long to get Home. :'(
Not very good, and worse, not very promising.
Against a team that our opposition had suddenly found money to buy their best 3 players ;D
Brentford rang rings around us.
TERRY :(
The Stand-By Manager ....TERRY.... that so many on here assumed was our future ...was total cr@p ,,imo
I was watching him...the guy hardly runs, he seems to WALK EVERYWHERE.
I doubt his fitness will allow him another 2 matches in 7 days, judging by his 'walking-skills'
... I sometimes think that they are ALL having a LAUGH at XIA.
And...as much as I think XIA is a pr@t.... I do believe that he is being ripped-off from Wyness- Bruce - Terry - down the line.
XIA is an innocent - imo - who believes his own PR.
TONY - NON-DOCTOR - Please get out of Villa.And take those waste of Spaces with you
:'(
The Doctor is pretty much the only ray of sunlight at the club presently (and the youngsters-who under a better manager would be the heartbeat of our team. I include Johnstone, Bree and Onomah in that group)
I can't say I'm too fond of any of our more seasoned 'pros'.
Chester looks dodgy this season, Whelen had a very poor game. Elmo seems lost, Agbonlahor should be thrown down a very wide well....it's.....as mr underhill pointed out above....groundhog day.
A very very poor performance. £110 to watch the games seems like the worst thing I've ever bought at the moment.
Based on what
his managerial appointments so far?
The people he has appointed to run the club?
The spunking of money on shite?
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Well, for me-his enthusiasm for the club and backing managers to spend money on (on paper) some decent players, who most of us thought would do well. They're definitely not all shite.
I like his communication with the fans, and the feeling of hope he gave us after the Lerner years.
He seems to genuinely care about the club, but that's just how I see it.
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if he genuinely cares about the club he has to sack Bruce now.
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Well, for me-his enthusiasm for the club and backing managers to spend money on (on paper) some decent players, who most of us thought would do well. They're definitely not all shite.
I like his communication with the fans, and the feeling of hope he gave us after the Lerner years.
He seems to genuinely care about the club, but that's just how I see it.
We signed Lansbury, one of Forest's best players.
Hourihane, Barnsley's best player.
Hogan, Brentford's goalscorer.
Terry, one of the Premier League's best ever defenders.
Who's our player of the season so far? Sam Johnstone. Our fecking goalkeeper.
All that money and those signings and we've got some raw kid up front who offers no goal threat. Elmohamady on the wing who's only attribute is winning headers when it's hoofed up. I said a couple of weeks ago there aren't anywhere near enough goals in this squad but that suits Bruce's try and win 1-0 philosophy, apart from the Norwich game but they're dreadful away and got stuffed at Millwall. Derby for instance have got Martin, Bent, Vydra, Winnall, Nugent, that's just their strikers to bring on if they need a goal. They've got goals in midfield aswell. We brought on Gabby. Let's say Kodjia comes back and scores 15-20, who's going to score the other 50+ goals to get us up there? Brighton and Newcastle scored 70-80 odd last season. We're a million miles from that.
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I think he'll make a decision at the end of the month. Personally I'd say he needs 4 league wins from the remaining games to be guaranteed to keep his job. A bit less and it's very questionable and a continuation of 1 point per game or slightly more and he'll definately be out. I think he'll not do enough, he isn't going to turn this shite around to the level he needs to.
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As well as using the ball very well, the ginger lad did a good job defensively shielding the ball along the ground into Davies, we didn't get forward anywhere near fast enough.
Apart from Johnstone I thought the only players to emerge with any credit with any credit were Green and Onhoura who worked hard without offering too much in the way of threat.
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I would like to see Aston Villa to lost 7-0 asap so it will wake up the owner to make them sack Bruce.
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we don't need to get spanked to be able to draw that conclusion
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Brentford got their tactics spot on, stop Hourihane and Green. What concerned me was that second half Bruce had Hourihane playing deep instead of supporting Davis. Hourihane was our only goal threat on the pitch from the starting 11 and didn't have a sniff.
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Yes it's not playing one up top that's the problem. It's having no coherent style of play to utilise that one.
I think one of our main issues is what Bruce hinted at in his interview: we are very poor at winning the ball back when we lose it. This is down to the manager and coaching staff, who have not come up with a strategy (e.g. organised pressing) that works.
When we lose the ball, we only seem to get it back when the opposition lets us, be it by them giving it away, missing a shot or Johnstone picking it out of his net.
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I thought Terry was very solid, probably our best outfield player even though Dean Smith's plan was to play on the major weakness of our central defence while the blond haired chap was on the pitch. The rest of them to a man were poor particularly Whelan. Green should have been taken off before his injury as he was completely ineffectual.
I see no point sticking with Bruce or any of the coaching staff, there is nothing there to suggest this will improve.
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Outplayed and out bullied by a bunch of kids.
Whelan - hang your head in shame
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We sit way too deep leaving the target man no chance of holding it up for the ten minutes it takes everyone else to catch up. I'm not a Terry fan but he made a run into their box first half which was probably the most penetration we had all match. Everything seemed to be about getting the ball into Green on the flanks. I thought Bree was poor but he's ok up to now and Chester seems like a different player since we've signed Terry. I don't think Whelan is that bad, he just has no movement around him to pick out players, Hourihane was too deep and Elmohaddy did bugger all all match. Brentford fans on the train back reckon the best way to utilise Hogan is for him to race on to through balls past the last man, he gets caught offside a lot doing it but his goal record is there to see. We don't play that way though obviously.
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I can only presume Adomah was injured because he should at least be on the bench. In fact, there's a case for him starting ahead of Elmo, at home anyway. One thing that annoyed me yesterday was Green playing far too deep in the first half yesterday. It was almost as if he was protecting his full back. Snodgrass would have been better off playing for the under 23's tomorrow. He looked extremely rusty.
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The thing is, you just know that if Ryan Woods played for us, he'd be as ineffectual as the rest, because of the way the team sets up and approaches thegame.
exactly
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Was disappointed in Davis yesterday he was off the pace and clearly carrying a knock. I'd like to see 2 up front going forward - Kodjia and Hogan - Green and Snodgrass/Adomah wide and Jedinak/Josh with Hourihane in the middle. Got to get at teams a lot quicker.
Whelan Elmo Gabby no thanks.
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just watching Traore at Boro , looks frightening . Shame we have not got him instead of Elmo but to be fair he would be playing crap under Bruce like all the other good players we seem to buy .
I am expecting Hutton back Tuesday to mark him .
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FFS it's DAVIS, not Davies (not at you, Richard, but half if not most of the posters who have mentioned him.) It's worse than the Kieran Clarke saga. I bet Bruce spells him wrong too, the useless oaf.
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I think the final nail in the coffin for Bruce is that fans have already written off some of his most recent signings, such as Elmo and Whelan. His final throw of the dice has simply not worked.
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Rather than worrying about the opposition (Traore) can we not focus on how we attack better and pressurise the opposition for the whole 90 minutes.
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How many of our lot were on international duty? Bruce saying he wasn't using that as an excuse but then playing them anyway despite us having the squad size to deal with it. Presumably he didn't work on anything new with the non-international players at Bodymoor last week and they just kept their fitness ticking over.
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It's a bollocks excuse. It's like we play in a vacuum and no other club is affected by any of the issues that we are subjected too. We have the biggest squad in the division, have spent the most money, have the most experience to overcome anything this division should throw at us. What we clearly don't have is a competent manager. Someone who came to us with the right CV yet the job is much bigger than he can handle. The weight of expectation has crushed his ability to make rational, sensible or astute decisions. He's broken. He has to go.
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I think the final nail in the coffin for Bruce is that fans have already written off some of his most recent signings, such as Elmo and Whelan. His final throw of the dice has simply not worked.
You are on the right line but it's not the fans who have written off these players it's the players themseleves with their abject showing.
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I would like to see Aston Villa to lost 7-0 asap so it will wake up the owner to make them sack Bruce.
Seriously? You want us to lose? Heavily? I don't.
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just watching Traore at Boro , looks frightening . Shame we have not got him instead of Elmo but to be fair he would be playing crap under Bruce like all the other good players we seem to buy .
I am expecting Hutton back Tuesday to mark him . escorting him respectfully 2 yards behind.
Fixed.
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I would like to see Aston Villa to lost 7-0 asap so it will wake up the owner to make them sack Bruce.
Seriously? You want us to lose? Heavily? I don't.
I can't think of a worst reason to sack the manager.
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I think the final nail in the coffin for Bruce is that fans have already written off some of his most recent signings, such as Elmo and Whelan. His final throw of the dice has simply not worked.
You are on the right line but it's not the fans who have written off these players it's the players themseleves with their abject showing.
Oh, I agree.
It's like he just throws darts at a list of players, in the hope they will work out if he buys them, with little or no plan.
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Rather than worrying about the opposition (Traore) can we not focus on how we attack better and pressurise the opposition for the whole 90 minutes.
of course
get a new manager
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I would like to see Aston Villa to lost 7-0 asap so it will wake up the owner to make them sack Bruce.
You seriously want to see us stuffed 7-0.
Prat
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just watching Traore at Boro , looks frightening . Shame we have not got him instead of Elmo but to be fair he would be playing crap under Bruce like all the other good players we seem to buy .
You do recall how fucking useless he was for us right ?
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just watching Traore at Boro , looks frightening . Shame we have not got him instead of Elmo but to be fair he would be playing crap under Bruce like all the other good players we seem to buy .
You do recall how fucking useless he was for us right ?
Most of the players we have had recently have been.
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just watching Traore at Boro , looks frightening . Shame we have not got him instead of Elmo but to be fair he would be playing crap under Bruce like all the other good players we seem to buy .
You do recall how fucking useless he was for us right ?
Most of the players we have had recently have been.
I can't recall many that were as bad as him personally
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Just a bit of a sweeping generalisation. Can't think of all that many over the last few years who have been any good for us after showing a degree of talent before we signed them and after they have moved on.
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However let's not forget Boro got relegated last season and Traore was just as useless for them as he was for us.
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just watching Traore at Boro , looks frightening . Shame we have not got him instead of Elmo but to be fair he would be playing crap under Bruce like all the other good players we seem to buy .
You do recall how fucking useless he was for us right ?
Most of the players we have had recently have been.
I can't recall many that were as bad as him personally
he played about 150minutes for us as an 18 year in a new country for a club that were in freefall, that's not making excuses it's saying that we barely saw him and most of the time we did was the last few minutes of a game we'd already lost.
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Johnstone saved us from total embarrasment. The only positive on a totally shit afternoon.
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Forgot to say, what the hell are the song words all about on the big screens? "Villa Villa" and "yippee aye ay yippee aye ohhh". Jesus Christ. Never mind the result, we've become Reading or Bolton. Tinpot.
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I could really be annoyed at Mr Bruce, for putting our kids out there and not giving them any support, "shit management" then when he has to make changes takes the our best find in a decade off (I'm sure that's done the kid loads for his confidence)
When surely having another striker up long side him would of helped the whole team, but what do I know.
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Forgot to say, what the hell are the song words all about on the big screens? "Villa Villa" and "yippee aye ay yippee aye ohhh". Jesus Christ. Never mind the result, we've become Reading or Bolton. Tinpot.
Hungry? Thirsty? Buy some of our shit pies and piss water.
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Individually and collectively crap. Green, Onamah and Davis all now injured which confirms my view that you need to handle young players carefully at this stage of their development. There needs to be a huge response from manager, coaches and players on Tuesday otherwise things will turn nasty.
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Individually and collectively crap. Green, Onamah and Davis all now injured which confirms my view that you need to handle young players carefully at this stage of their development. There needs to be a huge response from manager, coaches and players on Tuesday otherwise things will turn nasty.
I thought they already had.
Even the Doctor would seem to have seen enough, seeing his tweets on yesterday
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Individually and collectively crap. Green, Onamah and Davis all now injured which confirms my view that you need to handle young players carefully at this stage of their development. There needs to be a huge response from manager, coaches and players on Tuesday otherwise things will turn nasty.
I thought they already had.
Even the Doctor would seem to have seen enough, seeing his tweets on yesterday
I meant at the ground.
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Forgot to say, what the hell are the song words all about on the big screens? "Villa Villa" and "yippee aye ay yippee aye ohhh". Jesus Christ. Never mind the result, we've become Reading or Bolton. Tinpot.
I agree. Years ago I thought the 'Cascarino in the air' on the scoreboard was tinpot too. It wouldn't have been quite so bad if they had only used it when he had actually scored with a header.
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A Bolton moment?
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Forgot to say, what the hell are the song words all about on the big screens? "Villa Villa" and "yippee aye ay yippee aye ohhh". Jesus Christ. Never mind the result, we've become Reading or Bolton. Tinpot.
Hungry? Thirsty? Buy some of our shit pies and piss water.
It is always a bad sign when the catering starts getting criticised. It doesn't seem to matter so much when a team is doing well.
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A Bolton moment?
Sounds like something out of a box of assorted chocolates. ;)
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Individually and collectively crap. Green, Onamah and Davis all now injured which confirms my view that you need to handle young players carefully at this stage of their development. There needs to be a huge response from manager, coaches and players on Tuesday otherwise things will turn nasty.
Davis has been carrying an injury so really shouldn't have played.
Maybe Bruce being forced to make changes on Tuesday night will see us return to winning ways. It worked against Norwich, it's when he has a full squad to choose from he has problems.
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Individually and collectively crap. Green, Onamah and Davis all now injured which confirms my view that you need to handle young players carefully at this stage of their development. There needs to be a huge response from manager, coaches and players on Tuesday otherwise things will turn nasty.
Davis has been carrying an injury so really shouldn't have played.
Maybe Bruce being forced to make changes on Tuesday night will see us return to winning ways. It worked against Norwich, it's when he has a full squad to choose from he has problems.
If this happens, can't wait for his finger pointing, fan criticising, impossible job under the circumstances, me I am not appreciated, it's nonsense post match interview.
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Individually and collectively crap. Green, Onamah and Davis all now injured which confirms my view that you need to handle young players carefully at this stage of their development. There needs to be a huge response from manager, coaches and players on Tuesday otherwise things will turn nasty.
Davis has been carrying an injury so really shouldn't have played.
Maybe Bruce being forced to make changes on Tuesday night will see us return to winning ways. It worked against Norwich, it's when he has a full squad to choose from he has problems.
If this happens, can't wait for his finger pointing, fan criticising, impossible job under the circumstances, me I am not appreciated, it's nonsense post match interview.
Wait until he blames the fans for not giving him a chance because he once managed the Rags. He has form. Did similar at Sunderland for being a Geordie.
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We're just too negative sometimes when playing this sort of team at home. Really poor. If we go and give a performance and win against Middlesborough then this result will be forgotten, if we not then this could become a bit of a slide.
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just watching Traore at Boro , looks frightening . Shame we have not got him instead of Elmo but to be fair he would be playing crap under Bruce like all the other good players we seem to buy .
You do recall how fucking useless he was for us right ?
who Elmo yes he has been
id take him over Elmo any day of the week
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I have to say I didn't follow what Bruce was trying to do at all. The first half seemed terribly disjointed. Davis would win the ball or try and hold it up but it was as if there was a nuclear exclusion zone around him the way the other villa players didn't get within 20 yards of him.
The second half we were worse (if that was possible) I can see why Snodgrass is being sold on and doesn't form part of any Premiere league team plans. Certainly carrying an extra few pounds, slow of foot and mind -looks like another "work in progress" ( or waste of space as I prefer to say). But I've been wrong before - I thought Bruce would be a good fit for the Villa when he joined. How wrong was I.
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Very disappointed with yesterdays game I thought we would get a win but what do I know mine and lot of other people's weekend is ruined because of the Brentford no show but as one manager would say we go again.
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Fate will dictate he rips us a new one on Tuesday but he was shite - like the fastest, most blinkered greyhound with a ton of mustard poured onto his bollocks. Out of the traps like greased lightening and nothing more.
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Adama that is!
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Individually and collectively crap. Green, Onamah and Davis all now injured which confirms my view that you need to handle young players carefully at this stage of their development. There needs to be a huge response from manager, coaches and players on Tuesday otherwise things will turn nasty.
Davis has been carrying an injury so really shouldn't have played.
Maybe Bruce being forced to make changes on Tuesday night will see us return to winning ways. It worked against Norwich, it's when he has a full squad to choose from he has problems.
If this happens, can't wait for his finger pointing, fan criticising, impossible job under the circumstances, me I am not appreciated, it's nonsense post match interview.
Wait until he blames the fans for not giving him a chance because he once managed the Rags. He has form. Did similar at Sunderland for being a Geordie.
Never ever the fault of the manager is it? Wouldn't it be nice if they just for once admitted they fucked up. Occasionally it happens in everyone's job, you put your hand up and oppoligise.
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Individually and collectively crap. Green, Onamah and Davis all now injured which confirms my view that you need to handle young players carefully at this stage of their development. There needs to be a huge response from manager, coaches and players on Tuesday otherwise things will turn nasty.
Davis has been carrying an injury so really shouldn't have played.
Maybe Bruce being forced to make changes on Tuesday night will see us return to winning ways. It worked against Norwich, it's when he has a full squad to choose from he has problems.
If this happens, can't wait for his finger pointing, fan criticising, impossible job under the circumstances, me I am not appreciated, it's nonsense post match interview.
Wait until he blames the fans for not giving him a chance because he once managed the Rags. He has form. Did similar at Sunderland for being a Geordie.
Never ever the fault of the manager is it? Wouldn't it be nice if they just for once admitted they fucked up. Occasionally it happens in everyone's job, you put your hand up and oppoligise.
If you read his post match comments he does just that, there are lots of things to criticise but as managers go I think Bruce is more honest than most.
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Bruce is not more honest than most.
He is the master of spin and bullshit.
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Bruce is not more honest than most.
He is the master of spin and bullshit.
You're wrong but we are into a familiar phase on this site. It's not enough just to criticise the performances, people have been doing that for months, in order to take it further other reasons to slag him off have to be found.
This is from the post match interview:
Do you understand the fans’ frustrations?
“Yes, of course.
“It’s arguably the worst we’ve been since I’ve been here.
“I’ve been here for nine months now but we today we didn’t have any spark.
“We didn’t do anything with the ball or without it.
“We look jaded.
“I look at myself and take the responsibility for that. I should have done better.
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Individually and collectively crap. Green, Onamah and Davis all now injured which confirms my view that you need to handle young players carefully at this stage of their development. There needs to be a huge response from manager, coaches and players on Tuesday otherwise things will turn nasty.
Davis has been carrying an injury so really shouldn't have played.
Maybe Bruce being forced to make changes on Tuesday night will see us return to winning ways. It worked against Norwich, it's when he has a full squad to choose from he has problems.
If this happens, can't wait for his finger pointing, fan criticising, impossible job under the circumstances, me I am not appreciated, it's nonsense post match interview.
Wait until he blames the fans for not giving him a chance because he once managed the Rags. He has form. Did similar at Sunderland for being a Geordie.
Never ever the fault of the manager is it? Wouldn't it be nice if they just for once admitted they fucked up. Occasionally it happens in everyone's job, you put your hand up and oppoligise.
If you read his post match comments he does just that, there are lots of things to criticise but as managers go I think Bruce is more honest than most.
I agree with that. He does tend to tell the truth after games but like I said last night, it will start to wear a bit thin with those it hasn't already.
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He tells the truth?
He went from 6 months to 9 months managing us in a few weeks!
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We had a well balanced XI and a bench that had Jedinak, Snodgrass, Hogan, Lansbury etc with Kodjia, Grealish and Adomah not in the 18. It is embarrassingly strong for this league.
To put out a display as we did was criminal.
Too deep and too content to let their aub-Westwood ginger get on the ball from deep and dictate play. It was a good job they were shite or we'd have been hammered and even then we had Johnstone make two very good saves to keep us in it.
It's entirely unacceptable and a complete regression back to Cardiff and Reading.
The pressure is increasing with each disappointing result. This month we needed to take 12 points at the least, but it's tough to see after results and performances like that.
The excellent Norwich performance was off the back of abject offerings, but if Bruce finds himself unemployed in October he cannot complain.
There isn't a stronger squad. This is unacceptable.
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Bruce is not more honest than most.
He is the master of spin and bullshit.
You're wrong but we are into a familiar phase on this site. It's not enough just to criticise the performances, people have been doing that for months, in order to take it further other reasons to slag him off have to be found.
This is from the post match interview:
Do you understand the fans’ frustrations?
“Yes, of course.
“It’s arguably the worst we’ve been since I’ve been here.
“I’ve been here for nine months now but we today we didn’t have any spark.
“We didn’t do anything with the ball or without it.
“We look jaded.
“I look at myself and take the responsibility for that. I should have done better.
Stuff the honesty, is he incapable of working on the training ground (or getting his assistants to do it if he takes a back seat) to correct these weaknesses?
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He tells the truth?
He went from 6 months to 9 months managing us in a few weeks!
Do you seriously think that was a considered deception rather than merely a mistake?
It is, however, a good illustration of the trend I am describing whereby every single thing becomes subject to scrutiny and over analysis. There is enough important stuff to focus on, namely poor results and performances, without the additional nitpicking.
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He tells the truth?
He went from 6 months to 9 months managing us in a few weeks!
Do you seriously think that was a considered deception rather than merely a mistake?
It is, however, a good illustration of the trend I am describing whereby every single thing becomes subject to scrutiny and over analysis. There is enough important stuff to focus on, namely poor results and performances, without the additional nitpicking.
I think it was another attempt to bullshit the gullible.
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Bruce is not more honest than most.
He is the master of spin and bullshit.
You're wrong but we are into a familiar phase on this site. It's not enough just to criticise the performances, people have been doing that for months, in order to take it further other reasons to slag him off have to be found.
This is from the post match interview:
Do you understand the fans’ frustrations?
“Yes, of course.
“It’s arguably the worst we’ve been since I’ve been here.
“I’ve been here for nine months now but we today we didn’t have any spark.
“We didn’t do anything with the ball or without it.
“We look jaded.
“I look at myself and take the responsibility for that. I should have done better.
All of that is complete spin and bullshit.
For a start, he has been here longer than 9 months, but regardless of how long it has been, what relevance did it have to his explanation as to why were shit again yesterday. It had no fucking relevance whatsoever.
And it's the worst since he's been here? More fucking spin.
Has he forgotten, all the other shit results and crap performances that we have witnessed since he joined.
I have the ability to think for myself and can see through spin and bullshit that people in the public eye spew out in order to protect themselves or use as diversionary tactics.
I can back up my reasons for calling him out with reasoned argument. To just say he is 'being slagged off' is being just as disingenuous as Bruce is with his comments.
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I assume the relevance is to provide context to it being the worst performance in 9 months. I'm not sure how that's spin or bull shit. It probably was.
I think you're grasping to be honest and not making much sense.
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He tells the truth?
He went from 6 months to 9 months managing us in a few weeks!
Do you seriously think that was a considered deception rather than merely a mistake?
It is, however, a good illustration of the trend I am describing whereby every single thing becomes subject to scrutiny and over analysis. There is enough important stuff to focus on, namely poor results and performances, without the additional nitpicking.
I think it was another attempt to bullshit the gullible.
You come across, in this exchange, like a conspiracy theory fruitcake.
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'I'm not sure if that's spin or bullshit. It probably was'
I think it you who is making no sense.
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He tells the truth?
He went from 6 months to 9 months managing us in a few weeks!
And still wrong
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He tells the truth?
He went from 6 months to 9 months managing us in a few weeks!
Do you seriously think that was a considered deception rather than merely a mistake?
It is, however, a good illustration of the trend I am describing whereby every single thing becomes subject to scrutiny and over analysis. There is enough important stuff to focus on, namely poor results and performances, without the additional nitpicking.
I think it was another attempt to bullshit the gullible.
You come across, in this exchange, like a conspiracy theory fruitcake.
Absolute nonsense.
The guy is in survival mode and desperate. He spews out any old nonsense in the hope some of it will create enough of a smokescreen to placate the gullible amongst us.
It seems he's not entirely wrong.
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He tells the truth?
He went from 6 months to 9 months managing us in a few weeks!
And still wrong
Some would say, just another genuine mistake from an honest guy.
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Bruce's interviews are just bog standard, manager under pressure waffle.
Very little to get upset about, if he told it as it is, he'd be sacked.
The useless fist-faced tatty.
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'I'm not sure if that's spin or bullshit. It probably was'
I think it you who is making no sense.
I'm clearly stating that I think it probably was one of the worst performances. I suspect you knew that.
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It makes him look stupid that he can't even get it right on how long he's been here. Not surprisingly people will comment on that. In the last month he's repeatedly said 6 months, and then repeatedly 9 months.
I definitely think some of it is spin to deflect from what a crap job he's doing. It's why he was banging on about being under pressure after 1 game, when it's blatantly obvious we've been poor under him for most of his 40+ games. It's why he was getting in digs at critics after 1 good performance, as though that's the kind of performance we usually get under him rather than an anomaly. It's why he goes on about having no money, and yet 8 of yesterdays starting 11 were his signings, as were 2 of the 3 subs.
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He tells the truth?
He went from 6 months to 9 months managing us in a few weeks!
Do you seriously think that was a considered deception rather than merely a mistake?
It is, however, a good illustration of the trend I am describing whereby every single thing becomes subject to scrutiny and over analysis. There is enough important stuff to focus on, namely poor results and performances, without the additional nitpicking.
I think it was another attempt to bullshit the gullible.
You come across, in this exchange, like a conspiracy theory fruitcake.
Absolute nonsense.
The guy is in survival mode and desperate. He spews out any old nonsense in the hope some of it will create enough of a smokescreen to placate the gullible amongst us.
It seems he's not entirely wrong.
You appear to confuse gullible with objective. Or perhaps you are right and Bruce is a manipulative genius.
Back to the game, this is the post match thread after which he has said that he got things wrong but I guess that is spin and bullshit too.
I am a bit bored of this now, it's pointless, petty nitpicking and adds little so I shal leave it there.
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Bruce is not more honest than most.
He is the master of spin and bullshit.
You're wrong but we are into a familiar phase on this site. It's not enough just to criticise the performances, people have been doing that for months, in order to take it further other reasons to slag him off have to be found.
This is from the post match interview:
Do you understand the fans’ frustrations?
“Yes, of course.
“It’s arguably the worst we’ve been since I’ve been here.
“I’ve been here for nine months now but we today we didn’t have any spark.
“We didn’t do anything with the ball or without it.
“We look jaded.
“I look at myself and take the responsibility for that. I should have done better.
The jaded one is unacceptable. Some have played two games on the international break, but not many of them. For those that didn't go away to be jaded simply isn't good enough and he has to take responsibility for that.
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It is unacceptable but he's right, they looked jaded and ineffectual. Like they'd all been on a stag do and turned up expecting to play bubble football half cut.
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I don't give a **** how honest he is it's of no use to us if he is recounting one miserable result after another. It's results he needs to get. And as far as honesty is concerned he can't even get simple stuff right. 3 weeks ago he was here 6 months last week he was here 10 months and yesterday 9 months FFS what is that? And its 11 MONTHS Bruce just check your contract. You were appointed on 12 October 2016.
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So it's 11 months in two days. Who really cares.
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So it's 11 months in two days. Who really cares.
We all should care.
Because 11 months and still dishing up this kind of performance should be unacceptable for any manager, let alone a Villa manager.
6-7 months and some might want to give an experienced manager the benefit of the doubt.
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He tells the truth?
He went from 6 months to 9 months managing us in a few weeks!
Do you seriously think that was a considered deception rather than merely a mistake?
It is, however, a good illustration of the trend I am describing whereby every single thing becomes subject to scrutiny and over analysis. There is enough important stuff to focus on, namely poor results and performances, without the additional nitpicking.
I think it was another attempt to bullshit the gullible.
You come across, in this exchange, like a conspiracy theory fruitcake.
Absolute nonsense.
The guy is in survival mode and desperate. He spews out any old nonsense in the hope some of it will create enough of a smokescreen to placate the gullible amongst us.
It seems he's not entirely wrong.
You appear to confuse gullible with objective. Or perhaps you are right and Bruce is a manipulative genius.
Back to the game, this is the post match thread after which he has said that he got things wrong but I guess that is spin and bullshit too.
I am a bit bored of this now, it's pointless, petty nitpicking and adds little so I shal leave it there.
OK. Let's put the "petty nitpicking" to one side. Why don't you give us your "objective" view on how Bruce is doing after 11 months?
It would be more interesting to hear than you critique of fellow posters.
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Individually and collectively crap. Green, Onamah and Davis all now injured which confirms my view that you need to handle young players carefully at this stage of their development. There needs to be a huge response from manager, coaches and players on Tuesday otherwise things will turn nasty.
Davis has been carrying an injury so really shouldn't have played.
Maybe Bruce being forced to make changes on Tuesday night will see us return to winning ways. It worked against Norwich, it's when he has a full squad to choose from he has problems.
If this happens, can't wait for his finger pointing, fan criticising, impossible job under the circumstances, me I am not appreciated, it's nonsense post match interview.
Wait until he blames the fans for not giving him a chance because he once managed the Rags. He has form. Did similar at Sunderland for being a Geordie.
Never ever the fault of the manager is it? Wouldn't it be nice if they just for once admitted they fucked up. Occasionally it happens in everyone's job, you put your hand up and oppoligise.
If you read his post match comments he does just that, there are lots of things to criticise but as managers go I think Bruce is more honest than most.
Fair enough Chris. To be perfectly honest after the Norwich match I have given up listening to him. I didn't like his cocky tone after that match. My mistake just read a few things on here and I thought he was covering his arse.
That aside we have not started this season very well again and I'm quite positive the Norwich game was a bit of a fluke.
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Individually and collectively crap. Green, Onamah and Davis all now injured which confirms my view that you need to handle young players carefully at this stage of their development. There needs to be a huge response from manager, coaches and players on Tuesday otherwise things will turn nasty.
Davis has been carrying an injury so really shouldn't have played.
Maybe Bruce being forced to make changes on Tuesday night will see us return to winning ways. It worked against Norwich, it's when he has a full squad to choose from he has problems.
If this happens, can't wait for his finger pointing, fan criticising, impossible job under the circumstances, me I am not appreciated, it's nonsense post match interview.
Wait until he blames the fans for not giving him a chance because he once managed the Rags. He has form. Did similar at Sunderland for being a Geordie.
Never ever the fault of the manager is it? Wouldn't it be nice if they just for once admitted they fucked up. Occasionally it happens in everyone's job, you put your hand up and oppoligise.
If you read his post match comments he does just that, there are lots of things to criticise but as managers go I think Bruce is more honest than most.
Fair enough Chris. To be perfectly honest after the Norwich match I have given up listening to him. I didn't like his cocky tone after that match. My mistake just read a few things on here and I thought he was covering his arse.
That aside we have not started this season very well again and I'm quite positive the Norwich game was a bit of a fluke.
Yeah, I thought his post match comments after this one were tame compared to Reading (which was as if he'd watched a different game) and Norwich (where he came across as a right tit). The only bit that really annoyed me yesterday was the comments about Davis's fitness. If he's struggling with an injury and you've watched a first half that poor why the fuck would you wait until he injures himself to make the change. I get why he started and I don't think anyone was critical of that but letting him run himself into the ground and possibly losing him for a couple of games when you know he's not fit is pathetic management for me.
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Like Lambert before isn't it down to the coaching? Clemence and Calderwood.... ??????
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Our goalkeeping coach deserves some credit. Johnstone made three cracking saves to keep us in the game. Mourinho must be delighted.
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So it's 11 months in two days. Who really cares.
I care because our Manager should have a better grip on simple facts. It's important also that he should remember as to how many salary cheques he has picked up from us.
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It's an irrelevance. 10 months, 11 months. It makes no odds to anything at all.
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Our goalkeeping coach deserves some credit. Johnstone made three cracking saves to keep us in the game. Mourinho must be delighted.
Yes that's a credit to both Sam and his coach. He is becoming almost reliable and dominant. Shame he is here on loan.
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He'll sign a pre-contract with us in January. Hes not going back to Man United.
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It's an irrelevance. 10 months, 11 months. It makes no odds to anything at all.
He's either dim, lying, or so under pressure he doesn't know/can't think clearly bot of which do affect things. May not matter to you but doesn't mean it doesn't to others that in the last month he's given 3 different dates and all of them are wrong, two of them have him starting at the Villa in 2017.
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He'll sign a pre-contract with us in January. Hes not going back to Man United.
That is good news based on his performances back end of last season and this season.
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I wouldn't be so sure he will sign a pre-contract with us if we're still drifting in January under the clueless management team he plays for.
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He can't sign a pre-contract agreement with an English club.
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He'll sign a pre-contract with us in January. Hes not going back to Man United.
That is good news based on his performances back end of last season and this season.
Worry is that the better he plays the more chance someone currently better than us will take notice and think that taking him on a free is pretty risk free.
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It's an irrelevance. 10 months, 11 months. It makes no odds to anything at all.
He's either dim, lying, or so under pressure he doesn't know/can't think clearly bot of which do affect things. May not matter to you but doesn't mean it doesn't to others that in the last month he's given 3 different dates and all of them are wrong, two of them have him starting at the Villa in 2017.
I can live with his confused mind regarding dates, it's his rewriting the history of games that does it for me. Up until then I thought he was honest and fair which had my respect. Now I think he's just like any other manager that knows he's out of his depth.
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The useless fuck just needs to thank his lucky stars that Sam Johnstone played a blinder and/or Brentford finished like a side in the bottom 3. Because tonight we could dissecting a 3-0 home defeat. I don't care how long he's been here, it's more than enough time and money not to ever drop to that level of uselessness.
Rubbish floating on the streets of Aston, rubbish on the pitch at Villa Park.
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I'm picturing a scowling TV, roaming the rainy, windswept streets of Witton tonight with an empty rubbish bag doing his best to rid the pavements in his vicinity of any trash whilst muttering to himself about potato-headed incompetence.
I do hope instead you're in Brum's Hilton sat with a whisky in the best seat of the lounge bar where Milan Baros might once have whiled away the wee hours.
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I got a free ticket and it was a waste of money.
(Had a few pints and a bet).
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I'm picturing a scowling TV, roaming the rainy, windswept streets of Witton tonight with an empty rubbish bag doing his best to rid the pavements in his vicinity of any trash whilst muttering to himself about potato-headed incompetence.
I do hope instead you're in Brum's Hilton sat with a whisky in the best seat of the lounge bar where Milan Bars might once have whiled away the wee hours.
Eammon, if I was sat in a bar I'd happily buy you a Manhatten or an Old Fashioned to dismiss the memories of yesterday. As it is I got away from it for a few hours playing The Brabazon at The Belfry. Very enjoyable.
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Good man, make the most of your trip regardless of the Villa trying to spoil it.
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The useless fuck just needs to thank his lucky stars that Sam Johnstone played a blinder and/or Brentford finished like a side in the bottom 3. Because tonight we could dissecting a 3-0 home defeat. I don't care how long he's been here, it's more than enough time and money not to ever drop to that level of uselessness.
Rubbish floating on the streets of Aston, rubbish on the pitch at Villa Park.
I actually thought 5-0 to Brentford would have been a fair result, we were that piss poor. Thankfully we had Johnstone from this season not last. And their finishing was worse than ours, obviously.