Manager suggestions - Now with added poll

[FranzBiberkopf]

Steve Round has worked under Maclaren, Southgate, Allardyce and Moyes.

Wyness has appointed the likes of Jimmy Calderwell (Aberdeen), Steve Paterson (Aberdeen), David Moyes (Everton), RDM (Villa) Steve Bruce (Villa).

Not really too much evidence there on face value of 'blue sky thinking' or the ability to think outside of the old boys club of ex-pros / old faces and bring in a new face to drive the Villa engine.

[cdbearsfan]

He's retired. Not sure how many other times I need to explain this?

If he wanted to work in management, he would still be managing Palace. If he had had a change of heart since managing Palace, he would have gone back there when they sacked his replacement this week.

He has retired.

Banging. Head. Brick. Wall.

I'll have a £10 to the site bet with you he's back in management before the end of the season

I think it's entirely possible that he will miss management and come out of retirement by the end of the season.

However, I think that if he was planning to take a job anytime in the more immediate future, he'd have already taken the Palace job.

If we wait till April to sack Bruce, he might be a contender. Assuming we get rid of the Potato of Sadness in the coming weeks, he isn't.

What's the matter, stakes too high? You sounded pretty sure earlier.

I've already said in a previous post that it's entirely possible that he'll go back into management at a later date, so why would I take that bet?

I maintain that he won't be taking any job in the near future... if his immediate plans included football management then why would he have left Palace?

I'll have a tenner with you that he's still unemployed at the end of October, if you like?

[Monty]

Steve Round has worked under Maclaren, Southgate, Allardyce and Moyes.

Wyness has appointed the likes of Jimmy Calderwell (Aberdeen), Steve Paterson (Aberdeen), David Moyes (Everton), RDM (Villa) Steve Bruce (Villa).

Not really too much evidence there on face value of 'blue sky thinking' or the ability to think outside of the old boys club of ex-pros / old faces and bring in a new face to drive the Villa engine.

My hope is that's the list they come to Xia with, and Xia fires them too.

How out of all the clubs in English football have we ended up probably the biggest one to be so stuck in the past? Our potential measured against our actual achievement must be among the worst around, and yet we continue the same brainless policy.

[German James]

I'd imagine the vast majority of us expect Allardyce to take another job.

It wouldn't surprise me either! But, for the purposes of this thread, it seems to me to make sense to assume that he's not a candidate, seeing as how we're pretty much agreed that we need someone the sooner the better and he's only been retired since May.

Come on James we need some insider info - any up and coming German managers worth taking a punt on? 

I don't know anything about the lower divisions... Hannes Wolf just got Stuttgart up and he's only 36 and only been in the job for a year. André Breitenreiter who's at Hannover 96 did well for Paderborn. We're not going to prise anyone away this early in the season, though.

I know it won't happen, but I genuinely believe we need someone like Tuchel: ambitious, available, successful, understands the pressure. Pissing about with the dinosaurs or taking a punt on an unknown is a risk we can't really afford to take... again.

[PeterWithesShin]

I maintain that he won't be taking any job in the near future... if his immediate plans included football management then why would he have left Palace?

Maybe he wasn't happy there? Not everyone does a Lambert and asks to be sacked numerous times, some just leave if they aren't happy and don't need the money.

[john e]

Steve Round has worked under Maclaren, Southgate, Allardyce and Moyes.

Wyness has appointed the likes of Jimmy Calderwell (Aberdeen), Steve Paterson (Aberdeen), David Moyes (Everton), RDM (Villa) Steve Bruce (Villa).

Not really too much evidence there on face value of 'blue sky thinking' or the ability to think outside of the old boys club of ex-pros / old faces and bring in a new face to drive the Villa engine.

Depressing really I have no faith in them at all to do anything other than appoint one of there own again

[tomd2103]

Leeds seemed to have done some searching and found what appears to be a decent manager who was unknown to most.  Also Hull found Silva so tbey are out there.  We don't have to go down the Moyes, Pardew,Allardyce route.

Yep.  And we found Garde, Wolves found Zenga, Cardiff 'found' Solskjær, West Brom found Pepe Mel, Fulham found Felix Magath and Rene Meulensteen.

It's not as easy as you think.  I'd love the next Wagner, but we really are on the brink and the wrong appointment would see us relegated.  It's a massive gamble.

Whereas going for a well-known, safe pair of hands like Bruce or McLeish completely takes that risk away and it's nothing more than a gentle stroll to good times and prosperity.

Is there a manager available to us that wouldn't constitute a gamble?

It is annoying, isn't it, that every club who 'go foreign' and don't succeed are seen to have proven that managers from abroad constitute an enormous risk (probably because of their flighty, histrionic temperaments), while the legions of dull British managers can fail to inspire a thousand times, half-succeed once or twice and somehow earn a reputation for being 'reliable' or 'dependable' or (the absolute worst) 'the sensible choice'.

I think the 'old guard' are definitely being squeezed out of the top flight and in some cases the Championship as well. 

[john e]

Leeds seemed to have done some searching and found what appears to be a decent manager who was unknown to most.  Also Hull found Silva so tbey are out there.  We don't have to go down the Moyes, Pardew,Allardyce route.

Yep.  And we found Garde, Wolves found Zenga, Cardiff 'found' Solskjær, West Brom found Pepe Mel, Fulham found Felix Magath and Rene Meulensteen.

It's not as easy as you think.  I'd love the next Wagner, but we really are on the brink and the wrong appointment would see us relegated.  It's a massive gamble.

Whereas going for a well-known, safe pair of hands like Bruce or McLeish completely takes that risk away and it's nothing more than a gentle stroll to good times and prosperity.

Is there a manager available to us that wouldn't constitute a gamble?

It is annoying, isn't it, that every club who 'go foreign' and don't succeed are seen to have proven that managers from abroad constitute an enormous risk (probably because of their flighty, histrionic temperaments), while the legions of dull British managers can fail to inspire a thousand times, half-succeed once or twice and somehow earn a reputation for being 'reliable' or 'dependable' or (the absolute worst) 'the sensible choice'.

I think the 'old guard' are definitely being squeezed out of the top flight and in some cases the Championship as well. 

we are doing our best to keep the flag flying though

[German James]

If we wanted him badly enough i'm pretty confident we'd get him, even next week. Hopefully we have more progressive candidates in mind than him though!

You have to bloody well hope so!

[ozzjim]

Terry with McLaren as number 2 is my outside bet at the moment.

[Clark W Griswold]

He's retired. Not sure how many other times I need to explain this?

If he wanted to work in management, he would still be managing Palace. If he had had a change of heart since managing Palace, he would have gone back there when they sacked his replacement this week.

He has retired.

Banging. Head. Brick. Wall.

I'll have a £10 to the site bet with you he's back in management before the end of the season

I think it's entirely possible that he will miss management and come out of retirement by the end of the season.

However, I think that if he was planning to take a job anytime in the more immediate future, he'd have already taken the Palace job.

If we wait till April to sack Bruce, he might be a contender. Assuming we get rid of the Potato of Sadness in the coming weeks, he isn't.

What's the matter, stakes too high? You sounded pretty sure earlier.

I've already said in a previous post that it's entirely possible that he'll go back into management at a later date, so why would I take that bet?

I maintain that he won't be taking any job in the near future... if his immediate plans included football management then why would he have left Palace?

I'll have a tenner with you that he's still unemployed at the end of October, if you like?

You said earlier he was definately retired and suggested I was a fucking idiot in the process, this isn't about whether I think he'll be back before October.

[tomd2103]

Just been having a look on the BBC website and there was an article on there about Andre Villas-Boas.  Would he be an option if we are looking for a total rebuild?  He's in China at the minute, but did a good job at Zenit a couple of years ago before leaving because of family reasons.  At least he's suitably named!!

[cdbearsfan]

He's retired. Not sure how many other times I need to explain this?

If he wanted to work in management, he would still be managing Palace. If he had had a change of heart since managing Palace, he would have gone back there when they sacked his replacement this week.

He has retired.

Banging. Head. Brick. Wall.

I'll have a £10 to the site bet with you he's back in management before the end of the season

I think it's entirely possible that he will miss management and come out of retirement by the end of the season.

However, I think that if he was planning to take a job anytime in the more immediate future, he'd have already taken the Palace job.

If we wait till April to sack Bruce, he might be a contender. Assuming we get rid of the Potato of Sadness in the coming weeks, he isn't.

What's the matter, stakes too high? You sounded pretty sure earlier.

I've already said in a previous post that it's entirely possible that he'll go back into management at a later date, so why would I take that bet?

I maintain that he won't be taking any job in the near future... if his immediate plans included football management then why would he have left Palace?

I'll have a tenner with you that he's still unemployed at the end of October, if you like?

You said earlier he was definately retired and suggested I was a fucking idiot in the process, this isn't about whether I think he'll be back before October.

He has definitely retired. Plenty of people go back on their retirements though, Mayweather for instance.

Whether he does so isn't really of any significance to the debate at hand... which is who should manage Villa in the event that Bruce is no longer our manager in the near future.

Allardyce has retired and therefore is unavailable at present. It's possible he will reverse his decision at some point but I've no inclination, and you've no evidence, to suggest that it will be anytime soon.

It is entirely about whether he will be available by the end of October. If we wait much longer than that before replacing Steve Bruce then who knows which managers will be available at that point? It's not relevant to the debate at hand.

[Clark W Griswold]

So, whether you want him or not, it's not impossible that he could rock up at Villa park in the next few weeks then?

[Drummond]

I think it's entirely possible that he will miss management and come out of retirement by the end of the season.

However, I think that if he was planning to take a job anytime in the more immediate future, he'd have already taken the Palace job.

If we wait till April to sack Bruce, he might be a contender. Assuming we get rid of the Potato of Sadness in the coming weeks, he isn't.

For goodness' sake man, he's bloody retired. Don't you understand that? He's not coming back into the game.