Quote from: tomd2103 on August 14, 2017, 02:07:03 PMQuote from: gpbarr on August 14, 2017, 01:57:32 PMI worry we are going round and round in a circular debate.Bruce and Sherwood failed because they did not have a clue on tactics - well Garde and RHM were supposed to be tactically sound yet they both failed too.There seems to be an underlying thread that we have had / and continue to have the 'quality' in the squad - I disagree. We have had 6 or 7 seasons now where the quality of the squad, both at a PL level, and now at a Championship level, is being shown up. Our squad right now looks slow and predictable because it is slow and predictable. We lack pace and we lack creativity and a new manager wont be able to fix that without another player merry go-round.I believe Bruce has to go, but I'm going to worry that whomever we appoint, we are going to continue to decline because we have not fixed the system - all we keep doing is fixing the 'guy in the dugout' but there is much more wrong than just that. And I think until the system is fixed, we are going to continue to struggle I agree with that to be honest. We've changed pretty much every aspect of the club in recent years - owner, manager, backroom staff, technical staff, academy staff, playing staff - and the malaise still remains. I don't know if the whole things needs ripping up and starting again to be honest with a fresh approach and a team built around young players at the club. Hopefully this will be the last season that Hutton and Agbonlahor darken our door and the day can't come quick enough when Richards goes as well. I expect to get slated, but the 'fresh approach and a team built around youngsters' is more and more what I now advocate. We may go backwards in the short term, but perhaps building some financial stability, and having a longer term plan than the season to season panic we seem to endure these days, is an approach that might pay different dividends.
Quote from: gpbarr on August 14, 2017, 01:57:32 PMI worry we are going round and round in a circular debate.Bruce and Sherwood failed because they did not have a clue on tactics - well Garde and RHM were supposed to be tactically sound yet they both failed too.There seems to be an underlying thread that we have had / and continue to have the 'quality' in the squad - I disagree. We have had 6 or 7 seasons now where the quality of the squad, both at a PL level, and now at a Championship level, is being shown up. Our squad right now looks slow and predictable because it is slow and predictable. We lack pace and we lack creativity and a new manager wont be able to fix that without another player merry go-round.I believe Bruce has to go, but I'm going to worry that whomever we appoint, we are going to continue to decline because we have not fixed the system - all we keep doing is fixing the 'guy in the dugout' but there is much more wrong than just that. And I think until the system is fixed, we are going to continue to struggle I agree with that to be honest. We've changed pretty much every aspect of the club in recent years - owner, manager, backroom staff, technical staff, academy staff, playing staff - and the malaise still remains. I don't know if the whole things needs ripping up and starting again to be honest with a fresh approach and a team built around young players at the club. Hopefully this will be the last season that Hutton and Agbonlahor darken our door and the day can't come quick enough when Richards goes as well.
I worry we are going round and round in a circular debate.Bruce and Sherwood failed because they did not have a clue on tactics - well Garde and RHM were supposed to be tactically sound yet they both failed too.There seems to be an underlying thread that we have had / and continue to have the 'quality' in the squad - I disagree. We have had 6 or 7 seasons now where the quality of the squad, both at a PL level, and now at a Championship level, is being shown up. Our squad right now looks slow and predictable because it is slow and predictable. We lack pace and we lack creativity and a new manager wont be able to fix that without another player merry go-round.I believe Bruce has to go, but I'm going to worry that whomever we appoint, we are going to continue to decline because we have not fixed the system - all we keep doing is fixing the 'guy in the dugout' but there is much more wrong than just that. And I think until the system is fixed, we are going to continue to struggle
Bielsa's barely arrived at Lille. He'd have been worth asking otherwise as we would be a project for him (he rather likes being the guy to come in and sort out a mess of this sort), but it won't happen now.As for being in the position we are and being a laughing stock - Leeds two most recent managers are of the type that I think we need. Fulham, laughing stock of the division, hired Jokanovic. Huddersfield, bumbling amiably along as usual, hire the Next Big Thing off the Dortmund coaching production line, and now they're back in the top flight. Just because we're at a real low moment, doesn't mean we can't hire someone really good.
Jokanovic is tied to Fulham to 2019 and speculation is he could cost around £5m to get in compensation.http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/810096/Crystal-Palace-Fulham-Slavisa-Jokanovic-new-manager-Marco-Silva-Watford
Quote from: AVH87 on August 14, 2017, 02:22:06 PMJokanovic is tied to Fulham to 2019 and speculation is he could cost around £5m to get in compensation.http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/810096/Crystal-Palace-Fulham-Slavisa-Jokanovic-new-manager-Marco-Silva-WatfordNo brainer - just go an do it and promise him £150m to build a team if we are promotedOh and they can have Hutton and McCormack as part of the deal
When Dr Tony took over last year, didn't they say that they wanted to instill an Aston Villa way of playing from the first team to the kids? Like Dortmund do. I presume that went out the window when RDM got the boot for Bruce, but it's something we should look at again if we're going to be down here for a while. As long as this club-wide style of play is based on pace and skill and not the plodding crap we play now.What tactics / style do the youth teams play? Same as the 1st team?
My take is that we are very good at taking apparently good players and turning them into mediocre players. There is one manager out there, kicking his heels who was notorious for getting the very best out of average players. He understands tactics. Knows how to make a team hard to beat. Winds up opposition. Has been "successful" at each team he has been at, relative to their standing in the world, and only really lost two jobs, one for being a dick when he got the England job, and I wish he was still at, and two for having idiot fans that thought they could do better than him, and have yet to really show it.
Maybe El Tel could be lured from his Hotelier business.
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