Season expectations 2017-18

[cheltenhamlion]

And managed something preposterous like four points from games where we didn't score first.

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By playing the likes of Burton and Rotherham instead of Chelsea and Man City. Winning more games in division 2 than we did in division 1 isn't a sign we have improved or will be promoted.

From somebody who walked away from all those previous 86 games, I can assure you it was an improvement. Equally, RDM proved incapable of winning games in the 2nd Division.

[Cliftonville Villain]

After five years of shit, with the spends of last summer and last January, the least we should have expected would be a play off place, and even allowing for bedding in of new players, to finish where we did was a disgrace. Yes we won matches, but no discernible tactics, players played out of positions and  certainly not to their strengths, or even a basic rudimentary ability of one Villa player to pass to another, leaves me in no hope whatsoever for the coming campaign.

I would love to, just for once, come on this board and be positive and optimistic, but a shit pre-season (Wallsall??!!) and an absolutely fuckng toothless front-line, apparent to everyone on here except, once again, the manager, will see us languish in mid-table from the off.

Bruce has no clue, is now tactically out of his depth, and even at this seemingly early stage of pre-season, still has no ideas or direction of what he's at. I would even go as fas as to say he's lost the players, because if he doesn't know what the fck he's at at this stage, how are they meant to know.

The malaise throughout Villa Park continues...players feeling they've made it once they pull on that shirt, being paid ridiculous amounts of money, being led by United, who doesn't know what he's doing.

I watched Arsenal play Bayern today, and will watch Premier League teams play the cream of the world for the rest of the summer, as a matter of course. Villa couldn't score against Walsall last night. How far we have fallen.

[PeterWithesShin]

I'd say winning 15 games in division 2 is the bare minimum you'd expect from Villa. And well below what you'd expect from the most expensive side in the history of the division. We did the bare minimum and looked crap doing it. To me that isn't a significant improvement, a significant improvement would be playing well for more than the odd 30 minutes here and there.

[saunders_heroes]

We went into last season with one of the worst PL teams in history so we had to spend big to improve it. Constantly claiming we had the most expensive squad in history doesn't really tell the whole story though. The starting point was rock bottom, and you don't turn around a club after 7 years of sabotage over night, let's not forget that.

[PeterWithesShin]

A year ago I doubt many of us would have been satisfied with 13th, shit football, 15 wins and one of the lowest goal scorers in the division. So I don't see how a year on it's now a massive improvement.

[paul_e]

We went into last season with one of the worst PL teams in history so we had to spend big to improve it. Constantly claiming we had the most expensive squad in history doesn't really tell the whole story though. The starting point was rock bottom, and you don't turn around a club after 7 years of sabotage over night, let's not forget that.

Nope, but sacking the first guy to have a chance it after 10 games was fine.

[AV5nobs]

I'd say winning 15 games in division 2 is the bare minimum you'd expect from Villa. And well below what you'd expect from the most expensive side in the history of the division. We did the bare minimum and looked crap doing it. To me that isn't a significant improvement, a significant improvement would be playing well for more than the odd 30 minutes here and there.

You really need to stop assuming our great clubs name is enough to win points when the Fact is we have been rotten turgid crap for the season and bit before Bruce to charge.

[AV5nobs]

I'd say winning 15 games in division 2 is the bare minimum you'd expect from Villa. And well below what you'd expect from the most expensive side in the history of the division. We did the bare minimum and looked crap doing it. To me that isn't a significant improvement, a significant improvement would be playing well for more than the odd 30 minutes here and there.

You really need to stop assuming our great clubs name is enough to win points when the Fact is we have been rotten turgid crap for the season and bit before Bruce to charge.

[PeterWithesShin]

I don't base it on our name. I based it on the squad we had. If I thought our name was enough I wouldn't be saying i'm worried we'll struggle this season would I.

[saunders_heroes]

A year ago I doubt many of us would have been satisfied with 13th, shit football, 15 wins and one of the lowest goal scorers in the division. So I don't see how a year on it's now a massive improvement.

Yes and I also remember posters on here during the dreaded '15/16 season ridiculed for suggesting we could follow up our relegation with another relegation battle in the Championship. As I said we went down with one of the worst teams ever and I don't believe anyone really thought we'd turn it around overnight if we were being really honest with ourselves.

[AV5nobs]

What squad did we have in August suggested that after being the 3rd worst in Prem history and easily the most toxic, was good enough to go straight back up?

Don't talk about wages, or money spent, because none of which were Bruce's until January when it was too late.

[PeterWithesShin]

So I can't talk about signing most of the league's top scorers because it doesn't suit your point of view?

[saunders_heroes]

What squad did we have in August suggested that after being the 3rd worst in Prem history and easily the most toxic, was good enough to go straight back up?

Don't talk about wages, or money spent, because none of which were Bruce's until January when it was too late.

Correct. We had to spend huge just to stop the rot. If we had finished 6th or 7th in the championship then went out and spent huge then yes we should expect us to go up, but we didn't, we were relegated with a skeleton of a football club and we had to rebuild from the bottom. If we're looking for bad guys then look at the previous owner who did this to us.

[saunders_heroes]

So I can't talk about signing most of the league's top scorers because it doesn't suit your point of view?

Who's to say the players signed in January won't come good next season? I haven't completely written them off like some other fans have.