John Terry - Gone

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Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.

I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.

All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.

Who could blame him?!

He's also driven himself to watch a game in East Anglia when he wasn't playing, was on the bench in others whilst injured. Do you expect him to be at every game?

As team captain and on the books of the Villa to the tune of £60k a week?  Yes, I absolutely expect him to be there every game.

There seems to be an incredibly low expectation bar set for players these days - first he was lauded for doing some training and now he's being given a free pass to skip games when he'd rather go to watch Chelsea.  If the cost of my season ticket is contributing to his extortionate salary he can suffer our "performances" just like me!

Were you at Derby?

[chrisw1]

Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.

I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.

All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.

Who could blame him?!

He's also driven himself to watch a game in East Anglia when he wasn't playing, was on the bench in others whilst injured. Do you expect him to be at every game?

As team captain and on the books of the Villa to the tune of £60k a week?  Yes, I absolutely expect him to be there every game.

There seems to be an incredibly low expectation bar set for players these days - first he was lauded for doing some training and now he's being given a free pass to skip games when he'd rather go to watch Chelsea.  If the cost of my season ticket is contributing to his extortionate salary he can suffer our "performances" just like me!

Do you really think all injured players go to all games?

He's shown his commitment and if that's not enough for you then such is life.

[Diablo]

Think we miss Terry more than "Kodger" in the grand scale of things.

These are Gerald Appleyard's stats

Played 16
won 7
Lost 4 (includes Sheff Wed game)
Drawn 5

Clean sheets 7

Goals against 13
Goals scored by team 22
Actual goals scored 1

[mattjpa]

Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.

He’s just a very naughty boy.

A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty

E's are Good E's are Good

Randomly went on a youtube journey this morning which ended up with me listening to that song for the first time in what must be a decade! Chris Moyles played a snippet of Cotton Eye Joe, I youtubed that, led me onto The Prodigy - Out of Space, The Grid  -Swamp thing and finally a playlist of the Shamen's greatest hits. Musical Pioneers!

[chrisw1]

I think the Appleyard thing has run it's course now?  John Terry is a Villa player and a bloody good one.

[Clampy]

I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.

[cdward]

I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.

I'm sure some Leicester fans will say the same about Marc Albrighton

[mattjpa]

I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.

He can sit and watch dwarf porn as long as he keeps playing as well as he does and gets us promoted

[Clampy]

I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.

I'm sure some Leicester fans will say the same about Marc Albrighton

I'm not sure what the relevance is to be honest unless he's been to Villa games whilst Leicester have been playing?

[paul_e]

I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.

Agree completely, For most other players if they were injured and went somewhere else we wouldn't even know, it's only because of his profile that this is even a story.

[JUAN PABLO]

Imagine McGrath and Terry at the back at the same time , probably be the best center partnership of the last 50 years .

Like somebody said earlier Id actually prefer Terry back in the team right now then Kodja.      He just brings us so much stability and experience .

[paul_e]

Think we miss Terry more than "Kodger" in the grand scale of things.

These are Gerald Appleyard's stats

Played 16
won 7
Lost 4 (includes Sheff Wed game)
Drawn 5

Clean sheets 7

Goals against 13
Goals scored by team 22
Actual goals scored 1

Going to amend this a little bit and then add the 'without' stats.

With Terry:
Played 16
Won 7 (44%)
Lost 4 (25%)
Drawn 5 (31%)
Clean sheets 7 (44%)
Goals against 13 (0.81 per game)

Total:
Played 22
Won 10 (45%)
Lost 5 (23%)
Drawn 7 (32%)
Clean sheets 9 (41%)
Goals against 18 (0.82)

The sample sizes aren't huge so it's hard to give any certainties but effectively Terry has made very little difference to us in measurable terms despite looking like he's a level above anyone else in this league.


Kodjia on the other hand single-handedly kept us out of a relegation battle last year and was in the team for the best spell of performances we've had this season (in fact the only part of the season where I'd argue we looked like top 2 contenders).


Terry is very good but you can't make a huge amount of difference to a team that concedes around a goal a game by adding defenders whereas better attacking options who can create chances from nothing will always add something so long as they're not at the expense of defensive stability.

[ChicagoLion]

Maybe we should send Bruce to watch Chelsea and get Terry to be in the dug out.

[Diablo]

Think we miss Terry more than "Kodger" in the grand scale of things.

These are Gerald Appleyard's stats

Played 16
won 7
Lost 4 (includes Sheff Wed game)
Drawn 5

Clean sheets 7

Goals against 13
Goals scored by team 22
Actual goals scored 1

Going to amend this a little bit and then add the 'without' stats.

With Terry:
Played 16
Won 7 (44%)
Lost 4 (25%)
Drawn 5 (31%)
Clean sheets 7 (44%)
Goals against 13 (0.81 per game)

Total:
Played 22
Won 10 (45%)
Lost 5 (23%)
Drawn 7 (32%)
Clean sheets 9 (41%)
Goals against 18 (0.82)

The sample sizes aren't huge so it's hard to give any certainties but effectively Terry has made very little difference to us in measurable terms despite looking like he's a level above anyone else in this league.


Kodjia on the other hand single-handedly kept us out of a relegation battle last year and was in the team for the best spell of performances we've had this season (in fact the only part of the season where I'd argue we looked like top 2 contenders).


Terry is very good but you can't make a huge amount of difference to a team that concedes around a goal a game by adding defenders whereas better attacking options who can create chances from nothing will always add something so long as they're not at the expense of defensive stability.

Cheers Paul_e I considered adding JK's stats but I'm supposed to be doing Christmas shizzle (my failure at which will lead to Christmas Special edition of Apocalypse Now).

[The Edge]

Think we miss Terry more than "Kodger" in the grand scale of things.

These are Gerald Appleyard's stats

Played 16
won 7
Lost 4 (includes Sheff Wed game)
Drawn 5

Clean sheets 7

Goals against 13
Goals scored by team 22
Actual goals scored 1

Going to amend this a little bit and then add the 'without' stats.

With Terry:
Played 16
Won 7 (44%)
Lost 4 (25%)
Drawn 5 (31%)
Clean sheets 7 (44%)
Goals against 13 (0.81 per game)

Total:
Played 22
Won 10 (45%)
Lost 5 (23%)
Drawn 7 (32%)
Clean sheets 9 (41%)
Goals against 18 (0.82)

The sample sizes aren't huge so it's hard to give any certainties but effectively Terry has made very little difference to us in measurable terms despite looking like he's a level above anyone else in this league.


Kodjia on the other hand single-handedly kept us out of a relegation battle last year and was in the team for the best spell of performances we've had this season (in fact the only part of the season where I'd argue we looked like top 2 contenders).


Terry is very good but you can't make a huge amount of difference to a team that concedes around a goal a game by adding defenders whereas better attacking options who can create chances from nothing will always add something so long as they're not at the expense of defensive stability.

Our major problem is the goals for column not the goals against. But I don't think anyone can seriously think that we aren't a better overall  team with Terry playing. The club seriously needs to focus on our attacking prowess.The defence, including the keeper are good enough to get us promoted but it won't happen until we rattle the onion bag a lot more often.