John Terry - Gone

[boozey182]

Really? I thought he was noticeably dominant and very comfortable.

I thought Chester was. Can't think of anything Terry did all match that was in any way noticeable. I might have forgotten bits, and to be fair, we weren't troubled in defence often, but I just didn't see it. And like I said, to be paying someone that amount of money, you want them to have a really positive impact on the game.

He didn't put a foot wrong all game. What more do you want?

For the highest paid player in the league('s history?), I want him to make us a better, and more successful, team. I don't think the match would have been any different if Baker would have been playing. As I said though, it's not necessarily his fault that we haven't strengthened where we need to.

[Ads]

At one point he read an interception where a Hull player/runner was going to his left but he anticipated it ending up right, was two steps ahead of Hull and won the ball.

He's a class above. If you think Baker is fit to lace his boots then you've not been watching either player.

[PaulWinch again]

Well we were noticeably more stable as a defensive unit and I'm pretty sure that was down to him.

[olaftab]

boozey182 I am not his fan and didn't like it when he signed for us however you must have been watching another game if you saw it the way you did. There was nothing Hull could do to get past him.

[wittonwarrior]

Outstanding -  without the best footballer by a mile in our squad. 

[boozey182]

Fair enough, I'm clearly letting my personal feelings for the man cloud my judgement.

For the record, I don't think Baker is in any way a better player than him, more that I don't think Baker/our defence was our problem last year. Today the midfield wasn't any further forward, we gave away a soft goal and yet again we didn't have the mental strength to get a win. I expected Terry to change some of that, but today it was exactly the same as last year. I didn't notice him do anything especially good. I was equally disappointed in Whelan as well.

But I will concede that I am in the minority here so probably wrong.

[Sexual Ealing]

Fair enough, I'm clearly letting my personal feelings for the man cloud my judgement.

For the record, I don't think Baker is in any way a better player than him, more that I don't think Baker/our defence was our problem last year. Today the midfield wasn't any further forward, we gave away a soft goal and yet again we didn't have the mental strength to get a win. I expected Terry to change some of that, but today it was exactly the same as last year. I didn't notice him do anything especially good. I was equally disappointed in Whelan as well.

But I will concede that I am in the minority here so probably wrong.

I share your antipathy to the man, and as a player one thing that I noticed was that we'll never catch the opposition offside while he's on the pitch. But I thought he was very good today. His distribution is so far above anyone else we've had for a number of years that it's almost embarrassing.

However, there's only so much one centre-back can add, no matter how good they are. Our problems are manifold, and elsewhere.

[cdbearsfan]

I dislike him. But I've seen him play for us three times now and he's been the best player each time. I'd still rather we hadn't signed him, for reasons that I've made clear. On a purely footballing sense, he looks like an excellent acquisition and he and Chester look to have a better understanding than Chester and Baker had, already. And I say that as someone who is still a bit sad that Baker has gone.

[boozey182]

I dislike him. But I've seen him play for us three times now and he's been the best player each time. I'd still rather we hadn't signed him, for reasons that I've made clear. On a purely footballing sense, he looks like an excellent acquisition and he and Chester look to have a better understanding than Chester and Baker had, already. And I say that as someone who is still a bit sad that Baker has gone.

Well then quite frankly you need to up your game when it comes disliking people... I dislike him so much that I am incapable of viewling his performances with anything close to objectivity. That's true dislike my friend. Welcome to the big leagues.

*Winky thing*

[cdbearsfan]

You're right. It's a slippery slope. I find myself saying "I don't like John Terry but he's an okay footballer, I suppose", what's next?

Am I going to start thinking Tim Lovejoy is basically harmless? Will I absent-mindedly hum a U2 song? It's a matter of time before I start saying that Thatcher was misunderstood. I need to have a fucking word with myself.

[boozey182]

"I don't like Theresa May as a Prime Minister, but if you can't see that she's got great fashion sense then your obviously looking at different leather trousers to me"

[AV5nobs]

Very impressed, keep it up JT.

[MorrisNielson]

So then, only Bobby Pires was older when making their debuts (not including goalies).

Oldest outfield league debutants:
1 - 37 years & 23 days - Pires - 2010-11 season.
2 - 36 years & 241 days - Terry - 2017-18 season.
3 - 34 years & 259 days - Paton - 1889-90 season.
4 - 34 years & 72 days - Calderwood - 1998-99 season.
5 - 33 years & 225 days - Sutton - 2006-07 season.
6 - 33 years & 207 days - Ginola - 2000-01 season.
7 - 33 years & 204 days - Whelan - 2017-18 season.
8 - 33 years & 189 days - Regis - 1991-92 season.
9 - 33 years & 160 days - Broadbent - 1966-67 season.
10 - 33 years & 130 days - Samba - 2017-18 season.
11 - 33 years & 94 days - Nilis - 2000-01 season.
12 - 33 years & 93 days - Johnsen - 2002-03 season.
13 - 33 years & 28 days - Lescott - 2015-16 season.
14 - 33 years & (unknown) days - Worrell - 1919-20 season.
15 - 32 years & 344 days - Cole - 2014-15 season.
16 - 32 years & 281 days - Holt - 2013-14 season.
17 - 32 years & 274 days - McAvennie - 1992-93 season.
18 - 32 years & 166 days - Powell - 1948-49 season.
19 - 32 years & 118 days - Mulraney - 1948-49 season.
20 - 32 years & 36 days - Leonhardsen - 2002-03 season.

[PeterWithesShin]

I still hold out hope of taking over the top spot.

[West Derby Villan]

I dislike him. But I've seen him play for us three times now and he's been the best player each time. I'd still rather we hadn't signed him, for reasons that I've made clear. On a purely footballing sense, he looks like an excellent acquisition and he and Chester look to have a better understanding than Chester and Baker had, already. And I say that as someone who is still a bit sad that Baker has gone.

With you mate, but he wears the shirt now, so he's one of us. Spose we better move on