Summer transfer madness thread

[Holte L2]

Agree 100% avfcpg.  I am very deeply suspicious of Bruce's outpouring about where we are being totally unsatisfactory then going on with more of the same old time management.  Pinning your hopes of promotion on the drafting in of players like Whelan and Terry is basically the acceptance of mid Championship mediocrity.  We have talent in abundance in our squad both players already bought and young home grown players.  Used properly and intelligently by the manager and his staff we should win the league at a canter.  Bruce has to raise his game.

Totally agree

Assess what you have and work out what formation best suits them and stick to it

It shouldnt be that difficult a concept to grasp although having watched us aimlessly lumping balls up to hogan against the unwashed it obviously is

we all have our opinions- I find Terry very unlikeable. Maybe he can do a job for us, maybe not. I'd rather we didn't sign him. If we do and it works out, fair play.

I get it. I also find him unlikeable. But he's a winner. He could be a great addition. Just like Barton proved to be for Burnley in the Championship.

The key difference is Barton was a wanker signed at his prime.  Terry is a 36 year old wanker who played 14 games last season and looked well off the pace in both of those that I saw.  Our biggest problem is that we play at a ridiculously slow tempo and have no pace.  signings like Terry aren't going to fix that.

Barton was 33 when he signed for Burnley.  For a box to box midfielder, that is way passed his prime. 

Terry might have only played fourteen league games games for Chelsea but 3 of those appearances were in the last month of the season. Plus his 25 minute farce.

[Clampy]

It's hard to disagree with either point of view really. I get why people would like him here but I  can also understand why some think that we shouldn't touch him with a very long bargepole.

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I can understand why people may be concerned about signing somebody at the end of a career. I don't think a comparison with Terry and Richardson or Cole is valid though and equally do not understand why signing him would be a signal of mediocrity.

Terry's pace has gone, but then it went five years ago. I'd have certainly taken him to the Euros and to be honest, I'd pick him over Stones for England now.

Terry has had a brilliant career. He's won a shed load and has every domestic medal Going, having captained Chelsea for nigh on all that time. He has a legacy to protect and I think that is a difference between  a jobbing player like Richardson and to some extent Cole, as Terry was apart of that title winning squad last season, but understandably played second fiddle.

Will he be motivated? Unless it's to the MLS or China, he's not going for the money; he's already earnt his fortune out the game and there's no reason for him to continue unless he wanted to play football.

I think he'd be the best centre half in the league and he'd be playing alongside another one of best centre halves in the league.

With Baker injury prone and liable to dips in form, I think for 12 months it makes sense.

[Mister E]

Agree 100% avfcpg.  I am very deeply suspicious of Bruce's outpouring about where we are being totally unsatisfactory then going on with more of the same old time management.  Pinning your hopes of promotion on the drafting in of players like Whelan and Terry is basically the acceptance of mid Championship mediocrity.  We have talent in abundance in our squad both players already bought and young home grown players.  Used properly and intelligently by the manager and his staff we should win the league at a canter.  Bruce has to raise his game.

Your key point is absolutely spot on: I'd like to see a progressive and intelligent coach get to grips with the talent in our squad: assess what have, decide on where the strengths lie, bring in any glaring omissions and coach the f**kers to play to an overarching plan. I'm pretty frustrated with the same old mediocrity and I do not believe the game is as complicated as some make it out to be.

[paul_e]

Agree 100% avfcpg.  I am very deeply suspicious of Bruce's outpouring about where we are being totally unsatisfactory then going on with more of the same old time management.  Pinning your hopes of promotion on the drafting in of players like Whelan and Terry is basically the acceptance of mid Championship mediocrity.  We have talent in abundance in our squad both players already bought and young home grown players.  Used properly and intelligently by the manager and his staff we should win the league at a canter.  Bruce has to raise his game.

Totally agree

Assess what you have and work out what formation best suits them and stick to it

It shouldnt be that difficult a concept to grasp although having watched us aimlessly lumping balls up to hogan against the unwashed it obviously is

we all have our opinions- I find Terry very unlikeable. Maybe he can do a job for us, maybe not. I'd rather we didn't sign him. If we do and it works out, fair play.

I get it. I also find him unlikeable. But he's a winner. He could be a great addition. Just like Barton proved to be for Burnley in the Championship.

The key difference is Barton was a wanker signed at his prime.  Terry is a 36 year old wanker who played 14 games last season and looked well off the pace in both of those that I saw.  Our biggest problem is that we play at a ridiculously slow tempo and have no pace.  signings like Terry aren't going to fix that.

Barton was 33 when he signed for Burnley.  For a box to box midfielder, that is way passed his prime. 

Terry might have only played fourteen league games games for Chelsea but 3 of those appearances were in the last month of the season. Plus his 25 minute farce.

He play 4 games at the end of the season but they were for 6mins, 4mins, 90mins and 26mins so it's not like he was suddenly trusted to be a regular.  In the 90mins (agianst watford) he was awful.

I'll hold my hand up to thinking Barton was a year or 2 younger than that but even still 33-36 is a big change.

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The progressive Brighton and Newcastle you mean? Functional meet cynically functional? Terry is a good player. Better than Dunk or much of what was/is in this league.

While it may be short term, much of the business clubs do in this league has to be if you're aiming for promotion and especially if you achieve it.

[peter w]

Terry is a good player or more poignantly the worry on the football pitch is that you can now replace 'is' with 'was'.

[mr underhill]

if there is a god, make sure this doesn't happen, please. Thank-you.

[tomd2103]

It's hard to disagree with either point of view really. I get why people would like him here but I  can also understand why some think that we shouldn't touch him with a very long bargepole.

I still can't see it happening, but the experience with Joleon Lescott sets alarm bells ringing. All things considered, I think the risks outweigh the potential rewards. 

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Leacotts attitude more than his turning circle let him down.

[cheltenhamlion]

It's all a bit Rio Ferdinand going to QPR for me. He managed 12 games playing like shit. And that is before you get away from the playing side to what a despicable human he is.

[kippaxvilla2]

Let's hope this is true.

A source told Telegraph Sport: “John has had a lot of offers and is understandably taking his time making a decision.

“Aston Villa are trying really hard to persuade him to drop down into the Championship, but the biggest obstacle to that happening is that John is tempted by offers from abroad and could well decide that is the best option for him.”

[aj2k77]

John, take yourself to warmer climes.

[Gareth]

It's hard to disagree with either point of view really. I get why people would like him here but I  can also understand why some think that we shouldn't touch him with a very long bargepole.

100% agree

[myf]

Just feels like another disaster in the making for me.