Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[kippaxvilla2]

The meeting between Bruce and his bosses should at least be in progress by now?

Just starting now.

https://mobile.twitter.com/paddypower/status/1021676449571504128

[Rigadon]

The new definition of success  “ there or there abouts”

....said nobody

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I agree, I'm unhappy with the job he's done overall, but not necessarily just because we didn't finish higher or win the playoffs or what have you. I'm unhappy that it was such a patch-up job, so short-term, with no actual sustainable plan in place to build a team, or a real discernible football style, or some sort of model for how the club should be run going forward. If anything, the short-term ambition was too great - it was promotion, now, all or nothing, and that was stupid whether or not it succeeded.

This is all Bruce does. Bumbling along, improvising, fixing small problems rather than addressing the big ones, like putting buckets under a leaky roof. We need someone who's going to fix the f*cking roof.

Agree, Monty.

If we look ahead 12 months we'd be exactly where we are today, looking to change. For that alone he needs to go. I don't want to be listening to his excuses as to why he failed again, I want somebody that will see this coming season as an opportunity to develop the team, get them practicing good habits on a daily basis, building something sustainable not some bodged together project that falls apart on news of light winds.
 
Another season of Bodger Bruce and his negative, reactive approach to football has little, if any appeal. We can either start work today or wait 12 months but the work will still have to be done. I suggest we start today. We're long overdue as it is, delaying won't make it go away.

[olaftab]

Still no yellow ticker tape on SSN

[ChicagoLion]

The new definition of success  “ there or there abouts”

....said nobody

I think I did.

[Monty]

I agree, I'm unhappy with the job he's done overall, but not necessarily just because we didn't finish higher or win the playoffs or what have you. I'm unhappy that it was such a patch-up job, so short-term, with no actual sustainable plan in place to build a team, or a real discernible football style, or some sort of model for how the club should be run going forward. If anything, the short-term ambition was too great - it was promotion, now, all or nothing, and that was stupid whether or not it succeeded.

This is all Bruce does. Bumbling along, improvising, fixing small problems rather than addressing the big ones, like putting buckets under a leaky roof. We need someone who's going to fix the f*cking roof.

Agree, Monty.

If we look ahead 12 months we'd be exactly where we are today, looking to change. For that alone he needs to go. I don't want to be listening to his excuses as to why he failed again, I want somebody that will see this coming season as an opportunity to develop the team, get them practicing good habits on a daily basis, building something sustainable not some bodged together project that falls apart on news of light winds.
 
Another season of Bodger Bruce and his negative, reactive approach to football has little, if any appeal. We can either start work today or wait 12 months but the work will still have to be done. I suggest we start today. We're long overdue as it is, delaying won't make it go away.

That's exactly it. And, like I say, we're going to have to do this whatever division we're in, Premier League to League One. So let's start now (though I concede probably not at the cost of relegation).

[The Edge]

The meeting between Bruce and his bosses should at least be in progress by now?

I'm in Jamaica and struggling to keep up with things due to time difference. Plenty of villa fans here so  hopefully news should be broken soon. Heard off a bloke who works at the club (low level but knows quite a few of the veterans) that new manager to be told that he won't be forced to sell any players.

[mr underhill]

you don't really need an update then?

[themossman]

That’s a great post Monty you’ve captured my feelings on Bruce nicely.

Even when we were on one of those nice runs of wins it felt like cobbled together, slightly desperate one game at a time stuff that could go pear shaped at any minute. And sure enough the runs did always end randomly, against poor opposition, for ambiguous reasons.

For me, that’s why narrowly missing out on promotion feels worse than it perhaps should. There was so little meaningful progress in evidence, so few signs that there was anything to build on in 18/19.

[mr underhill]

much of that is true but he lucked out massively with Kodjia not being fit all season. If he'd taken the previous year's form into the 2017/18 campaign I think we'd have got automatic promotion

[Three Spires Villa]

That’s a great post Monty you’ve captured my feelings on Bruce nicely.

Even when we were on one of those nice runs of wins it felt like cobbled together, slightly desperate one game at a time stuff that could go pear shaped at any minute. And sure enough the runs did always end randomly, against poor opposition, for ambiguous reasons.

For me, that’s why narrowly missing out on promotion feels worse than it perhaps should. There was so little meaningful progress in evidence, so few signs that there was anything to build on in 18/19.

I agree as well.

[Smoke]

That’s a great post Monty you’ve captured my feelings on Bruce nicely.

Even when we were on one of those nice runs of wins it felt like cobbled together, slightly desperate one game at a time stuff that could go pear shaped at any minute. And sure enough the runs did always end randomly, against poor opposition, for ambiguous reasons.

For me, that’s why narrowly missing out on promotion feels worse than it perhaps should. There was so little meaningful progress in evidence, so few signs that there was anything to build on in 18/19.

This.

At no point during his time here have we acted or looked like title winners / challengers. Couple this in with none of his signings have increased in value (maybe Hourihane & Barney). Bruce isn't the man to take us forward from here.

[adrenachrome]

From TalkShite via the Express. Dazza Benty sez "non"!

“For me, if you want to get a team out of the Championship you stick with someone like a Steve Bruce or a Neil Warnock – they have pedigree of getting teams out of that league,” he told talkSPORT.

“For Villa to take such a big risk and appoint Henry – I know he’s legend, he’s my hero being an Arsenal supporter – but as far as managing goes he’s untested and he doesn’t know the Championship.

“He’s played games in the Premier League and Champions League, but the Championship is completely different to anything he ever faced in his career.

“So for them to turn away from Steve Bruce, someone who has experience, has done it before and know the league inside and out, and to all of a sudden taken a gamble on someone like Henry – it’s going to be tough for villa I think.

“Hopefully Steve Bruce keeps the job. I think he could definitely get Aston Villa up this season.”

During Bent’s time at Villa he worked under Manchester United legend Roy Keane, who acted as assistant coach under Paul Lambert during his time in the Midlands.

And while Bent admits he learned a lot from the Irishman, he claims Keane didn’t understand his players not being able to match his own career when things got tough.

“There are so many risks involved [if Henry takes the job],” Bent added.

“The standard Thierry is used to, from his playing career and from his coaching work with Belgium, is going to be completely different.

“I’ve had it before [being coached by a manager who used to play] and at first, when things are going really well, it works. The standards are set high.

“But it’s when things start to go badly going that you start to see all the problems.

“You begin to think, ‘his expectations are way too high’, so you start to get frustrated and then the manager gets frustrated because they can’t understand why we can’t play the way they played when they were playing.

“It becomes a struggle until the whole thing just implodes.

“I had Roy Keane at Villa – he was a fantastic player with great ability and he was a good coach.

“But one of his problems I always felt was he just couldn’t understand why the midfield players in our team weren’t as good as him.

“Even with simple things like possession drills and shooting drills, if we missed the target or gave the ball away, he couldn’t understand how we could make such bad decision.

“In the end, ultimately, he left.”

[Smoke]

I gave up reading after "the Championship is completely different to anything he ever faced in his career."  YAWN.

What a load of old shite. It's just football for fucks sake. IF Real Madrid and Man City happened to parachute into the championship for a season does anybody seriously think they'd struggle to dick on every team because "oooohh the championship is different" ...Please.

[mr underhill]

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