Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[Dominic22]

 I might have wrote about 20 pages ago so I appologise if I have....

I always ask myself what I would have accepted at the start of the season. We are away scheme members and so have missed a game or 2 in 8 years so have seen so terrible years.... If you would have offered me the playoffs at the start of the season and most I speak to they would have bitten your hand off. I think he has done a really good job and should at least have another year. He has spent no money worked with the resources we had was able to on the whole bring in players on loan that have improved us and so why would we change and most importantly to who..... Change is not always a good thing as we have known for the best part of the last 8 years or so. All the vitriol is the same cycle every time and where has it on the whole got us. The FFP issues are pre him and he has worked for the last 12 months with that senerio. He cannot be blamed for long term contracts to players pre his time

Here are the stats on managers  http://www.managerstats.co.uk/clubs/aston-villa/  . Why do we need another saviour to come and then 10 games later we decide he is no longer the saviour we thought he was.  Most of the managers people are saying are under-contract we have been paying old managers off in at least 4 of the last 5 years accounts.

[AsTallAsLions]

I might have wrote about 20 pages ago so I appologise if I have....

I always ask myself what I would have accepted at the start of the season. We are away scheme members and so have missed a game or 2 in 8 years so have seen so terrible years.... If you would have offered me the playoffs at the start of the season and most I speak to they would have bitten your hand off. I think he has done a really good job and should at least have another year. He has spent no money worked with the resources we had was able to on the whole bring in players on loan that have improved us and so why would we change and most importantly to who..... Change is not always a good thing as we have known for the best part of the last 8 years or so. All the vitriol is the same cycle every time and where has it on the whole got us. The FFP issues are pre him and he has worked for the last 12 months with that senerio. He cannot be blamed for long term contracts to players pre his time

Here are the stats on managers  http://www.managerstats.co.uk/clubs/aston-villa/  . Why do we need another saviour to come and then 10 games later we decide he is no longer the saviour we thought he was.  Most of the managers people are saying are under-contract we have been paying old managers off in at least 4 of the last 5 years accounts.

He has not spent "no money".

[Toronto Villa]

I might have wrote about 20 pages ago so I appologise if I have....

I always ask myself what I would have accepted at the start of the season. We are away scheme members and so have missed a game or 2 in 8 years so have seen so terrible years.... If you would have offered me the playoffs at the start of the season and most I speak to they would have bitten your hand off. I think he has done a really good job and should at least have another year. He has spent no money worked with the resources we had was able to on the whole bring in players on loan that have improved us and so why would we change and most importantly to who..... Change is not always a good thing as we have known for the best part of the last 8 years or so. All the vitriol is the same cycle every time and where has it on the whole got us. The FFP issues are pre him and he has worked for the last 12 months with that senerio. He cannot be blamed for long term contracts to players pre his time

Here are the stats on managers  http://www.managerstats.co.uk/clubs/aston-villa/  . Why do we need another saviour to come and then 10 games later we decide he is no longer the saviour we thought he was.  Most of the managers people are saying are under-contract we have been paying old managers off in at least 4 of the last 5 years accounts.

Thanks Alex. Appreciate you defending your dad. But that’s utter nonsense.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Last week after the game I was firmly in the out camp, but with all the financial crap we are in, having an experienced head keep us at least competitive seems quite a sensible, if uninspiring thought at the moment.

It was a combination of so-called 'experienced heads' that have led us into this 'financial crap'. It's a sad day when meritocracy is ignored and failure is rewarded.

[olaftab]

Andy and Scot Marshall are absolute legends.

[Dominic22]

I might have wrote about 20 pages ago so I appologise if I have....

I always ask myself what I would have accepted at the start of the season. We are away scheme members and so have missed a game or 2 in 8 years so have seen so terrible years.... If you would have offered me the playoffs at the start of the season and most I speak to they would have bitten your hand off. I think he has done a really good job and should at least have another year. He has spent no money worked with the resources we had was able to on the whole bring in players on loan that have improved us and so why would we change and most importantly to who..... Change is not always a good thing as we have known for the best part of the last 8 years or so. All the vitriol is the same cycle every time and where has it on the whole got us. The FFP issues are pre him and he has worked for the last 12 months with that senerio. He cannot be blamed for long term contracts to players pre his time

Here are the stats on managers  http://www.managerstats.co.uk/clubs/aston-villa/  . Why do we need another saviour to come and then 10 games later we decide he is no longer the saviour we thought he was.  Most of the managers people are saying are under-contract we have been paying old managers off in at least 4 of the last 5 years accounts.

Thanks Alex. Appreciate you defending your dad. But that’s utter nonsense.

In your opinion but unless I have slept through the last few hundred games and not watched the the last 6 managers or read the last few sets of accounts I would say in my opinion it is.

[Toronto Villa]

Bruce’s failure to get us promoted having spent quite a few million than almost every other team in the division is precisely why the next set of accounts will look shit. Instead of swimming in PL money we’re trying to find pennies down the back of our settee.

[Dominic22]

Here is his spending for the season just gone. https://www.transfermarkt.com/aston-villa/transfers/verein/405/plus/0?saison_id=2017&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

[Dominic22]

Here is his spending for all his time at Villa https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/steve-bruce/spielertransfers/trainer/447/station_id/144668/plus/1

Here are the total net spend over his time

Bruce spent £28.13m, recouped £27.12m, net spend £1.01m

[sickbeggar]

Here is his spending for all his time at Villa https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/steve-bruce/spielertransfers/trainer/447/station_id/144668/plus/1

Here are the total net spend over his time

Bruce spent £28.13m, recouped £27.12m, net spend £1.01m

So what you're saying is RDM  bought 90% of the decent players? Good point.

[old man villa fan]

I might have wrote about 20 pages ago so I appologise if I have....

I always ask myself what I would have accepted at the start of the season. We are away scheme members and so have missed a game or 2 in 8 years so have seen so terrible years.... If you would have offered me the playoffs at the start of the season and most I speak to they would have bitten your hand off.

If just the play-offs had been offered at the beginning of last season, I would have said get rid of him then (and I did).

With the financial situation as it is (and could be seen by those involved before last season), just the play-offs was not an option, it had to be automatic promotion.  If the play-offs was satisfactory for the Club, they would not have allowed the high expenditure on wages for loans.

This just sounds like after the event justification of failure.

How much longer is this Club going to play at being a football club.

[SheffieldVillain]

Here is his spending for all his time at Villa https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/steve-bruce/spielertransfers/trainer/447/station_id/144668/plus/1

Here are the total net spend over his time

Bruce spent £28.13m, recouped £27.12m, net spend £1.01m

So of the money he's had to spend, he's wasted £15m / over half of it buying Hogan, Lansbury and Bjarnason then not playing to their strengths or not playing them respectively. He's bought another two right backs, three if you include the loan of Tuanzebe, despite the fact we had three at the club already.

Not sure that list is going to convince anyone of his managerial ability.

[old man villa fan]

What it does show is that the money he has had, he has not got very good value out of it as shown by previous posters in the multiple buys in the same positions and leaving gaps in the squad.  You cannot just look at purchases, you have to take into account the loans due to the wage situation.

[sickbeggar]

Here is his spending for all his time at Villa https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/steve-bruce/spielertransfers/trainer/447/station_id/144668/plus/1

Here are the total net spend over his time

Bruce spent £28.13m, recouped £27.12m, net spend £1.01m

So of the money he's had to spend, he's wasted £15m / over half of it buying Hogan, Lansbury and Bjarnason then not playing to their strengths or not playing them respectively. He's bought another two right backs, three if you include the loan of Tuanzebe, despite the fact we had three at the club already.

Not sure that list is going to convince anyone of his managerial ability.

yep with the exception of the £4m on Hourihane and elmo, the rest of them we probably could have done without.

[AsTallAsLions]

Here is his spending for all his time at Villa https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/steve-bruce/spielertransfers/trainer/447/station_id/144668/plus/1

Here are the total net spend over his time

Bruce spent £28.13m, recouped £27.12m, net spend £1.01m

5 of the 7 started the final on the bench.

The key word there is NET. Selling other players when forced to - including players who came up through the youth system at the club - does not count as not spending any money. I'd love to inherit someone else's property and sell it so I could buy my own slightly more lavish pad, but it doesn't mean I haven't blown a whole wad of cash at the end of the day. Particularly when it all falls apart.