Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[Taylor]

What  people fail to note is that Steve Bruce in the 18 months he has been at the club has had to turn the whole mentality around, has  had to recruit probably players given his own ideas he would not have gone for and has had to endure an  awful high expectation. 

There is not the calibre of manager around like in the days of Ron Saunders, Shankly, Bertie Mee etc. 

Lets not become a Leeds and sack manger after manager just because we cannot reach Mecca in a season.

You won't survive in this thread long with that attitude.

There are only 2 rules to this thread.

1.  We win a game it's all down to Steve Agnew ***
2.  We Lose A Game Steve Bruce is shit it's all down to him.

*** Rule 1 was amended after the appointment of Steve Agnew,  Original rule was We Win a game Bruce got lucky.

But that's just not true. When they have played well, by-&-large the team & the Manager get the credit they deserve. When they put in the kind of gutless, pathetically inadequate display that we've seen of late: they get called out. And rightly so.

I'm as gutted as everyone else when we lose, but so many fans on here reckon that the answer is sacking the manager. It is not.

[Steve67]

What  people fail to note is that Steve Bruce in the 18 months he has been at the club has had to turn the whole mentality around, has  had to recruit probably players given his own ideas he would not have gone for and has had to endure an  awful high expectation. 

There is not the calibre of manager around like in the days of Ron Saunders, Shankly, Bertie Mee etc. 

Lets not become a Leeds and sack manger after manager just because we cannot reach Mecca in a season.

You won't survive in this thread long with that attitude.

There are only 2 rules to this thread.

1.  We win a game it's all down to Steve Agnew ***
2.  We Lose A Game Steve Bruce is shit it's all down to him.

*** Rule 1 was amended after the appointment of Steve Agnew,  Original rule was We Win a game Bruce got lucky.

But that's just not true. When they have played well, by-&-large the team & the Manager get the credit they deserve. When they put in the kind of gutless, pathetically inadequate display that we've seen of late: they get called out. And rightly so.

I'm as gutted as everyone else when we lose, but so many fans on here reckon that the answer is sacking the manager. It is not.

What is the answer?

[Richard E]

It is not the answer in any circumstances?

I think most people on this thread's position is that if we get to the end of the season and our objective has not been achieved the manager will have to carry the can. And quite rightly so.

[auntiesledd]

It is not the answer in any circumstances?

I think most people on this thread's position is that if we get to the end of the season and our objective has not been achieved the manager will have to carry the can. And quite rightly so.

Bingo.

[Steve67]

It is not the answer in any circumstances?

I think most people on this thread's position is that if we get to the end of the season and our objective has not been achieved the manager will have to carry the can. And quite rightly so.

This is reflected in the voting above.  I agree Richard, the time to act is at the end of the season.  There is less time this summer to get things sorted due to the shortened transfer window, so the club need to act immediately the last game has finished.  Hopefully, that game is at Wembley and we have been promoted.  Up or not, Bruce goes for me.

[RichardBatchelor]

The elephant trap our board fell into when they appointed Steve Bruce was the assumption that the elements of sporting excellence are constant.  They are not.  They chose Bruce on his past record.  If the parameters were constant that is okay, but they are not.

Some months ago I tried to use a horse racing analogy to explain why I was worried about Bruce.  Lester Piggott rode the winner of the Epsom Derby 9 times.  He was the unchallenged go to man to ride you a Derby winner.  Despite that glittering accomplishment he rode for 11 years after the last winner but never won the race again.  Part of it is age, part of it is motivation, part of it is the changing circumstances of the sport, part of it is others copying what you do and doing it better.

Like so many times in the last decade those who run the Villa did not give enough serious thought to the future and rolled the dice.  "He has done it before, he will do it again" was their mantra.  Not necessarily somebody should have said.

All true enough but you could say that about any appointment in any walk of life. The tried and trusted might not work but just as often the promising newcomer with innovative ideas will be as bad or worse. Guess life would be dull if you knew it couldn’t fail. I personally think in Steve’s case he ‘will do it again’ but also flop again in the top flight - as will Warnock should Cardiff go up.

[Ayup]

Whatever happens, he cannot be our manager come and of May. Sack him whether our season ends at Millwall
, the semi finals or Wembley.

The result doesn't matter, he is not good enough and ought to be sacked.

100% correct. Is the cussed Clampy in agreement?

[Ayup]

Whilst the manager will pay the price for his teams failures which is how it is, he has gone from watching his team take the leaders apart to struggling to beat a very shit Norwich side. They couldnt even string 5 yard passes together today. That must be frustrating for whoever the manager is.

You do talk some fucking shit.

[Dave]

What  people fail to note is that Steve Bruce in the 18 months he has been at the club has had to turn the whole mentality around, has  had to recruit probably players given his own ideas he would not have gone for and has had to endure an  awful high expectation. 

There is not the calibre of manager around like in the days of Ron Saunders, Shankly, Bertie Mee etc. 

Lets not become a Leeds and sack manger after manager just because we cannot reach Mecca in a season.

You won't survive in this thread long with that attitude.

There are only 2 rules to this thread.

1.  We win a game it's all down to Steve Agnew ***
2.  We Lose A Game Steve Bruce is shit it's all down to him.

*** Rule 1 was amended after the appointment of Steve Agnew,  Original rule was We Win a game Bruce got lucky.

But that's just not true. When they have played well, by-&-large the team & the Manager get the credit they deserve. When they put in the kind of gutless, pathetically inadequate display that we've seen of late: they get called out. And rightly so.

I'm as gutted as everyone else when we lose, but so many fans on here reckon that the answer is sacking the manager. It is not.

Was it the answer when any of Lambert, McLeish, Sherwood or Di Matteo were manager.

[Ayup]

What  people fail to note is that Steve Bruce in the 18 months he has been at the club has had to turn the whole mentality around, has  had to recruit probably players given his own ideas he would not have gone for and has had to endure an  awful high expectation. 

There is not the calibre of manager around like in the days of Ron Saunders, Shankly, Bertie Mee etc. 

Lets not become a Leeds and sack manger after manager just because we cannot reach Mecca in a season.

You won't survive in this thread long with that attitude.

There are only 2 rules to this thread.

1.  We win a game it's all down to Steve Agnew ***
2.  We Lose A Game Steve Bruce is shit it's all down to him.

*** Rule 1 was amended after the appointment of Steve Agnew,  Original rule was We Win a game Bruce got lucky.

But that's just not true. When they have played well, by-&-large the team & the Manager get the credit they deserve. When they put in the kind of gutless, pathetically inadequate display that we've seen of late: they get called out. And rightly so.

I'm as gutted as everyone else when we lose, but so many fans on here reckon that the answer is sacking the manager. It is not.

Was it the answer when any of Lambert, McLeish, Sherwood or Di Matteo were manager.

They would play better without a manager.

[Fred Crump]

Y'know you may just be right. To carry on doing the same thing( i.e. same manager cocking up time and again) and to expect a different result is madness. See my comments on the 'Where do you think we will finish?' thread. And until today I was still backing Bruce.

[Ayup]

Reset the poll. See how many support the twat now.

[AsTallAsLions]

Our incompetence is making it a tough league. It's actually quite an easy league as the majority of sides are shite, which is why most seasons the decent ones go up pretty comfortably and don't fall back on "well that's the Championship".

All good points, despite flying in the face of just about every ex player, pundit and journalist (but what do they know) So you think Bruce should be sacked now?

Yes. He has failed to achieve the primary objective set this season (1st or 2nd place), and it looks entirely possible that he'll fail to get us promoted at all. We are in serious financial trouble next year if we don't go up, so it really is time to sink or swim, and in order to do the latter, we need someone who can organise and motivate this set of players. Bruce is no longer that person.

[Ayup]

Our incompetence is making it a tough league. It's actually quite an easy league as the majority of sides are shite, which is why most seasons the decent ones go up pretty comfortably and don't fall back on "well that's the Championship".

All good points, despite flying in the face of just about every ex player, pundit and journalist (but what do they know) So you think Bruce should be sacked now?

Yes. He has failed to achieve the primary objective set this season (1st or 2nd place), and it looks entirely possible that he'll fail to get us promoted at all. We are in serious financial trouble next year if we don't go up, so it really is time to sink or swim, and in order to do the latter, we need someone who can organise and motivate this set of players. Bruce is no longer that person.

Motivation is what we need. I hope to see him sacked in the morning.

[SoccerHQ]

I just don't think we're coached well enough on the training ground hence why the players play a mediocre style most games.

You saw a bit of a difference at least upfront when Agnew first came in although that seems to have worn off now.

Still are we as well prepared as we should be for games as it does seem we've got through a lot of games this season on individual quality and good team performances would just about reach to the second hand.