Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[stuart445]

One thing that does amuse me slightly is people who would have accepted a couple of seasons down here re-building under another manager but  who also think that Bruce should have been sacked because he didn't get us up firat time.

That's because RDM was binned because he couldn't get us up that season, and Bruce could. And as others have pointed out, if we don't go up there is very little of an actual team to play next season once the loans go home.

No RDM was binned because we'd only won 1 in 11 and was getting worse and worse with every passing game

Revisionism that. On here it was all "we can't get promoted under RDM, bring in Bruce". RDM suffered the hangover of years of Lerner's mis-management and awful signings by crap managers, and while he was struggling he'd been in the job for 12 games with players like Kodjia there barely a month.  If we'd been hammered every game you'd have a point but the main problem was turning draws into wins,

Winning 1 in 11 is fact not revisionism

Letting in late goals game after game is fact not revisionism

Spending a fortune but still employing Ashley Westwood as your main midfielder is fact not revisionism

Replacing him with Bruce then winning 6 losing 2 drawing 3 of the next 11 is fact not revisionism.

So we did turn this draws into wins with Bruce so you are the revisionist not me.

[mr underhill]

RDM was a disaster who's only positive was bringing in Kodjia

[paul_e]

RDM was a disaster who's only positive was bringing in Kodjia

And Adomah, and Chester.

[cdbearsfan]

And Chester/Adomah too, surely? You can make a case for Jedinak too.

[SoccerHQ]

Bit like O'Dreary. Results were dreadful but made some decent signings the next manager made better use of (Laursen/Bouma etc).

[john e]

Bit like O'Dreary. Results were dreadful but made some decent signings the next manager made better use of (Laursen/Bouma etc).

Laursen/Bouma

I'd buy a season ticket if they were in charge with Mellberg

[Risso]

Bit like O'Dreary. Results were dreadful but made some decent signings the next manager made better use of (Laursen/Bouma etc).

To be fair, the results were pretty good the first year, and the first half of the second year.  Everything went speedily downhill after that of course.

[stuart445]

The thing I find most ridiculous is that Bruce has made us competitive we lose on the odd occasion, he has one of the best win rates in our history (but can't use that as stats that show Bruce in a positive way are ridiculous). Under Bruce we are going into games thinking we could win, it's been so long since we could do that, that I'd actually forgotten what that felt like. But he is seen by some as the worst manager ever and should be sacked immediately after lose a game.

But yet RDM who only managed 1 win in 11 which was at home against the team that spent the whole of last season stone dead last, he also managed to sign a keeper that was worse than Brad Guzan (which takes some doing) and made him our number 1. But based on no evidence other than he had a good song for the fans to sing people seem convinced that he was the massiah and was going to turn it around and get us promoted.

[john e]

The thing I find most ridiculous is that Bruce has made us competitive we lose on the odd occasion, he has one of the best win rates in our history (but can't use that as stats that show Bruce in a positive way are ridiculous). Under Bruce we are going into games thinking we could win, it's been so long since we could do that, that I'd actually forgotten what that felt like. But he is seen by some as the worst manager ever and should be sacked immediately after lose a game.

But yet RDM who only managed 1 win in 11 which was at home against the team that spent the whole of last season stone dead last, he also managed to sign a keeper that was worse than Brad Guzan (which takes some doing) and made him our number 1. But based on no evidence other than he had a good song for the fans to sing people seem convinced that he was the massiah and was going to turn it around and get us promoted.

he is operating in the championship
we are the biggest club in it by a million miles and then go another million miles
we spent more than anyone else in this league ever
wage bill is the largest in our league
even the dipshit that your moaning about got WBA up in this league that's how bad it is

coco the clown would have a decent go at getting Villa into the play offs

He's not all that, he really isn't

[Mister E]

The thing I find most ridiculous is that Bruce has made us competitive we lose on the odd occasion, he has one of the best win rates in our history (but can't use that as stats that show Bruce in a positive way are ridiculous). Under Bruce we are going into games thinking we could win, it's been so long since we could do that, that I'd actually forgotten what that felt like. But he is seen by some as the worst manager ever and should be sacked immediately after lose a game.

But yet RDM who only managed 1 win in 11 which was at home against the team that spent the whole of last season stone dead last, he also managed to sign a keeper that was worse than Brad Guzan (which takes some doing) and made him our number 1. But based on no evidence other than he had a good song for the fans to sing people seem convinced that he was the massiah and was going to turn it around and get us promoted.

I don't think many believed RDM was the 'massiah' (sic) at all. I think people's expectations of the RDM / Clarke were high because both had some real credentials; and, they massively failed to deliver on those expectations.
The expectations on Bruce were different: he came in on the basis that he gets teams promoted from the second tier. Now, as we near the end of his second season with us, people are rightly challenging his credentials. However, let's wait until we get to the finale before burying him.

[Malandro]

The thing I find most ridiculous is that Bruce has made us competitive we lose on the odd occasion, he has one of the best win rates in our history (but can't use that as stats that show Bruce in a positive way are ridiculous). Under Bruce we are going into games thinking we could win, it's been so long since we could do that, that I'd actually forgotten what that felt like. But he is seen by some as the worst manager ever and should be sacked immediately after lose a game.

But yet RDM who only managed 1 win in 11 which was at home against the team that spent the whole of last season stone dead last, he also managed to sign a keeper that was worse than Brad Guzan (which takes some doing) and made him our number 1. But based on no evidence other than he had a good song for the fans to sing people seem convinced that he was the massiah and was going to turn it around and get us promoted.

he is operating in the championship
we are the biggest club in it by a million miles and then go another million miles
we spent more than anyone else in this league ever
wage bill is the largest in our league
even the dipshit that your moaning about got WBA up in this league that's how bad it is

coco the clown would have a decent go at getting Villa into the play offs

He's not all that, he really isn't

Anything less than automatic promotion is underachieving.
As you said, it’s not because we are Aston Villa, it’s the financial advantage we’ve had.

Let’s hope if 2nd is gone we can get the performances and bit of luck that is needed in the playoffs.

 

[Steve67]

The thing I find most ridiculous is that Bruce has made us competitive we lose on the odd occasion, he has one of the best win rates in our history (but can't use that as stats that show Bruce in a positive way are ridiculous). Under Bruce we are going into games thinking we could win, it's been so long since we could do that, that I'd actually forgotten what that felt like. But he is seen by some as the worst manager ever and should be sacked immediately after lose a game.

But yet RDM who only managed 1 win in 11 which was at home against the team that spent the whole of last season stone dead last, he also managed to sign a keeper that was worse than Brad Guzan (which takes some doing) and made him our number 1. But based on no evidence other than he had a good song for the fans to sing people seem convinced that he was the massiah and was going to turn it around and get us promoted.

The problem is,because we have had such a shit five years, it doesn’t take much to bring us crashing back to earth and the doubt comes back like a speeding train. Like now, after a stunning win over Wolves only to lose dreadfully against QPR.

[mr underhill]

My mistake - three great signings from RDM!

[paul_e]

The thing I find most ridiculous is that Bruce has made us competitive we lose on the odd occasion, he has one of the best win rates in our history (but can't use that as stats that show Bruce in a positive way are ridiculous). Under Bruce we are going into games thinking we could win, it's been so long since we could do that, that I'd actually forgotten what that felt like. But he is seen by some as the worst manager ever and should be sacked immediately after lose a game.

But yet RDM who only managed 1 win in 11 which was at home against the team that spent the whole of last season stone dead last, he also managed to sign a keeper that was worse than Brad Guzan (which takes some doing) and made him our number 1. But based on no evidence other than he had a good song for the fans to sing people seem convinced that he was the massiah and was going to turn it around and get us promoted.

With the talk of evidence how about providing some to back up the idea that people thought he was the messiah.  Most people who've offered defence for RDM ponit to the fact that he made quite a few of his most important signings towards the end of August and only really had about 6 games with them.  He was making a mess of things but even still sacked after 12 games is an incredibly short time to have any impact on a club that had been relegated as one of the worst sides the premier league had seen.

I have no idea if he would've fixed things (I suspect not) but I do know that the only meaningful justification for ditching him at the time was that the board thought acting quickly could give us a chance of still making the playoffs.  However much people try to deflect from it that will have been Bruce's target last season.  If nearly 2 years later we're still in this league then Bruce has to go, it's really that simple and he knows it himself.

No one has called him the worst manager ever either, and I haven't seen anyone suggest he should've been sacked after Tuesday but right now pushing moderate opinions as extreme seems to be the primary discussion tactic for some on here so it's no surprise to see you try to sensationalise things to make yourself seem reasonable.

[Mister E]

The thing I find most ridiculous is that Bruce has made us competitive we lose on the odd occasion, he has one of the best win rates in our history (but can't use that as stats that show Bruce in a positive way are ridiculous). Under Bruce we are going into games thinking we could win, it's been so long since we could do that, that I'd actually forgotten what that felt like. But he is seen by some as the worst manager ever and should be sacked immediately after lose a game.

But yet RDM who only managed 1 win in 11 which was at home against the team that spent the whole of last season stone dead last, he also managed to sign a keeper that was worse than Brad Guzan (which takes some doing) and made him our number 1. But based on no evidence other than he had a good song for the fans to sing people seem convinced that he was the massiah and was going to turn it around and get us promoted.

With the talk of evidence how about providing some to back up the idea that people thought he was the messiah.  Most people who've offered defence for RDM ponit to the fact that he made quite a few of his most important signings towards the end of August and only really had about 6 games with them.  He was making a mess of things but even still sacked after 12 games is an incredibly short time to have any impact on a club that had been relegated as one of the worst sides the premier league had seen.

I have no idea if he would've fixed things (I suspect not) but I do know that the only meaningful justification for ditching him at the time was that the board thought acting quickly could give us a chance of still making the playoffs.  However much people try to deflect from it that will have been Bruce's target last season.  If nearly 2 years later we're still in this league then Bruce has to go, it's really that simple and he knows it himself.

No one has called him the worst manager ever either, and I haven't seen anyone suggest he should've been sacked after Tuesday but right now pushing moderate opinions as extreme seems to be the primary discussion tactic for some on here so it's no surprise to see you try to sensationalise things to make yourself seem reasonable.

You pretty much mirror my points above; although with rather more words