Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[brian green]

I only know what I am told.  I do not evaluate it or attempt to verify it.  I have neither the resources nor the will to turn stories into facts.  I shoot the Villa breeze with a number of sharp minded people.  Some of the stuff comes across as very credible other stuff quite the reverse.

[olaftab]

The two appointments have been managers who have proven themselves as managers and at Championship level. The board have supported both managers with significant funds. What more should the job be of the Chief Executive in your opinion? Is he meant to be a coach also?

So that's two very obvious mistakes he has made that have a huge impact on the business. I think in any other other business he would have to walk.

[ChicagoLion]

How can Wyness, former CEO of Everton, be out of his depth at Villa?

Well logic says he would not be however at Everton he was managing a steady Premier League team with little or no upheaval. At Villa he has taken on a totally different task. A challenge that he probably has no experience of or adaptable expertise to deal with?

Does that make him out of his depth? Or does it mean it’s just a different challenge that you would hope years of experience managing at a very senior level makes him a lot more astute and prepared than say a Tom Fox or Paul Faulkner? Doesn’t guarantee success but I don’t think it makes him out of his depth for the issues at our club.

Fair enough, although there is a reason why there are specialists that work in the Turnaround business that requires different skills to other types of corporate challenges.

There may well be but football isn’t like regular business built off a P&L. Sports is incredibly volatile. The very public expectations of the game means it pretty much defies logical thought at times and by its very nature spurred on by emotions and anxiety. Something that you don’t get to anything like the same degree in a corporate boardroom.

You are right to an extent, I think you mentioned Clubs like Southampton and Liecester that have rebuilt.
This rebuilding involves professional management at all levels usually with a 5 year strategic plan.
Football at the highest level has moved on dramatically and success comes as a result of managing and developing resources effectively and better than your peers.
We are massively underperforming.

[Toronto Villa]

The two appointments have been managers who have proven themselves as managers and at Championship level. The board have supported both managers with significant funds. What more should the job be of the Chief Executive in your opinion? Is he meant to be a coach also?

So that's two very obvious mistakes he has made that have a huge impact on the business. I think in any other other business he would have to walk.

But you are calling them mistakes in hindsight. Were they absolutely mistakes at the time? Are they even mistakes at all vs appointments that despite him doing his job that haven’t gone to plan? And what was the guaranteed alternative? Would we have been satisfied appointing a Sean Dyche or Eddie Howe? And I don’t mean the real versions but gambles on up and coming managers given the size and scope of the job?

[ChicagoLion]

The two appointments have been managers who have proven themselves as managers and at Championship level. The board have supported both managers with significant funds. What more should the job be of the Chief Executive in your opinion? Is he meant to be a coach also?

So that's two very obvious mistakes he has made that have a huge impact on the business. I think in any other other business he would have to walk.

But you are calling them mistakes in hindsight. Were they absolutely mistakes at the time? Are they even mistakes at all vs appointments that despite him doing his job that haven’t gone to plan? And what was the guaranteed alternative? Would we have been satisfied appointing a Sean Dyche or Eddie Howe? And I don’t mean the real versions but gambles on up and coming managers given the size and scope of the job?

But that is his job, to get those decisions right, it looks like he hasn’t.

[dave.woodhall]

The main job of a CEO is to be chief scapegoat. 'twas ever thus.

[olaftab]

The two appointments have been managers who have proven themselves as managers and at Championship level. The board have supported both managers with significant funds. What more should the job be of the Chief Executive in your opinion? Is he meant to be a coach also?

So that's two very obvious mistakes he has made that have a huge impact on the business. I think in any other other business he would have to walk.

But you are calling them mistakes in hindsight. Were they absolutely mistakes at the time? Are they even mistakes at all vs appointments that despite him doing his job that haven’t gone to plan? And what was the guaranteed alternative? Would we have been satisfied appointing a Sean Dyche or Eddie Howe? And I don’t mean the real versions but gambles on up and coming managers given the size and scope of the job?

Mate we are ALL judged on hindsight. I am at work and I bet you are too. That's how life is.

[brian green]

I think Wyness and Bruce are effectively one unit.  If one stays the other will stay and vice versa.  If we are promoted Wyness will be credited with getting and keeping Bruce.  If we don't make it at least the play off final, they will both walk the same plank.  Just my reading of the runes.

[Clampy]

The two appointments have been managers who have proven themselves as managers and at Championship level. The board have supported both managers with significant funds. What more should the job be of the Chief Executive in your opinion? Is he meant to be a coach also?

So that's two very obvious mistakes he has made that have a huge impact on the business. I think in any other other business he would have to walk.

But you are calling them mistakes in hindsight. Were they absolutely mistakes at the time? Are they even mistakes at all vs appointments that despite him doing his job that haven’t gone to plan? And what was the guaranteed alternative? Would we have been satisfied appointing a Sean Dyche or Eddie Howe? And I don’t mean the real versions but gambles on up and coming managers given the size and scope of the job?

But that is his job, to get those decisions right, it looks like he hasn’t.

Is it May already?

[Mister E]

With foresight, the RDM and Clarke combo looked like a perfect appointment - the flash front man and established, respected coach. I applauded that at the time and was really disappointed when it did not come off. Hindsight says: what a shame. And, with a little more luck they might just have made it work.
Hindsight and foresight with the current manager (I can't bear to mention his name, sorry): no thanks! I understand why he was appointed - his record in the second tier is good - but this job was always going to be tough for a number of reasons and I don't think he has it within him to rise above the challenges.

[Clampy]

With foresight, the RDM and Clarke combo looked like a perfect appointment - the flash front man and established, respected coach. I applauded that at the time and was really disappointed when it did not come off. Hindsight says: what a shame. And, with a little more luck they might just have made it work.
Hindsight and foresight with the current manager (I can't bear to mention his name, sorry): no thanks! I understand why he was appointed - his record in the second tier is good - but this job was always going to be tough for a number of reasons and I don't think he has it within him to rise above the challenges.

Why can't you bear to mention his name? How sad is that?

[olaftab]

Why can't you bear to mention his name? How sad is that?

I know. And it's not what he said it's the way he said it

[Mister E]

With foresight, the RDM and Clarke combo looked like a perfect appointment - the flash front man and established, respected coach. I applauded that at the time and was really disappointed when it did not come off. Hindsight says: what a shame. And, with a little more luck they might just have made it work.
Hindsight and foresight with the current manager (I can't bear to mention his name, sorry): no thanks! I understand why he was appointed - his record in the second tier is good - but this job was always going to be tough for a number of reasons and I don't think he has it within him to rise above the challenges.

Why can't you bear to mention his name? How sad is that?

I've only ever known him as Potato-head
The reasoning is simple: he was the wrong choice; I've never rated him particularly as a manager; he doesn't really exude the gravitas of a serious and successful manager; I've never really enjoyed the football his teams play.
I don't think it's sad, but I'm quite prepared to apologise for my idiosyncrasy (as I did in my post).

[Clampy]

A fan not being able to bring himself to utter his clubs manager's name is a new one for me and I've been on here a long time.

[Sexual Ealing]

A fan not being able to bring himself to utter his clubs manager's name is a new one for me and I've been on here a long time.

TSM?