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Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8835 on: December 17, 2017, 07:09:25 PM »
Actually, the rumour mill has been suggesting for some time that Tony Xia is no great fan of Bruce.  It has been hinted from more than one reliable source that Bruce is Wyness's man
Would not surprise me based on Wyness  comments, both out of their depth.
Hopefully The Good Doctor will realise sooner rather than later.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8836 on: December 17, 2017, 07:20:51 PM »
At the end of the day, it's Doctor Tony's call. If he's not a fan or not happy, then he'd get rid. Simple as that really.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2017, 07:23:01 PM by Clampy »

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8837 on: December 17, 2017, 07:23:51 PM »
At the end of the day, it's Doctor Tony's call. If he's not a fan or not happy, then he'd get rid. Simple as that really.
Thanks for clearing that up.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8838 on: December 17, 2017, 07:25:09 PM »
Actually, the rumour mill has been suggesting for some time that Tony Xia is no great fan of Bruce.  It has been hinted from more than one reliable source that Bruce is Wyness's man
Would not surprise me based on Wyness  comments, both out of their depth.
Hopefully The Good Doctor will realise sooner rather than later.

How can Wyness, former CEO of Everton, be out of his depth at Villa?

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8839 on: December 17, 2017, 07:30:45 PM »
At the end of the day, it's Doctor Tony's call. If he's not a fan or not happy, then he'd get rid. Simple as that really.
Thanks for clearing that up.

My pleasure. Sometimes it needs doing.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8840 on: December 17, 2017, 07:31:08 PM »
How can Wyness, former CEO of Everton, be out of his depth at Villa?
Well logic says he would not be however at Everton he was managing a steady Premier League team with little or no upheaval. At Villa he has taken on a totally different task. A challenge that he probably has no experience of or adaptable expertise to deal with?

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8841 on: December 17, 2017, 07:41:03 PM »
How can Wyness, former CEO of Everton, be out of his depth at Villa?
Well logic says he would not be however at Everton he was managing a steady Premier League team with little or no upheaval. At Villa he has taken on a totally different task. A challenge that he probably has no experience of or adaptable expertise to deal with?

Does that make him out of his depth? Or does it mean it’s just a different challenge that you would hope years of experience managing at a very senior level makes him a lot more astute and prepared than say a Tom Fox or Paul Faulkner? Doesn’t guarantee success but I don’t think it makes him out of his depth for the issues at our club.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8842 on: December 17, 2017, 07:41:15 PM »
Actually, the rumour mill has been suggesting for some time that Tony Xia is no great fan of Bruce.  It has been hinted from more than one reliable source that Bruce is Wyness's man
Would not surprise me based on Wyness  comments, both out of their depth.
Hopefully The Good Doctor will realise sooner rather than later.

How can Wyness, former CEO of Everton, be out of his depth at Villa?
The 2 appointments he has made have not turned out fantastically well. I look at the squad which looks like a short term gamble.
Everton was a stable situation which is completely different challenge to the rebuilding job that has needed doing at Villa.
Then there was that Villa engine rubbish.


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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8843 on: December 17, 2017, 07:45:56 PM »
Actually, the rumour mill has been suggesting for some time that Tony Xia is no great fan of Bruce.  It has been hinted from more than one reliable source that Bruce is Wyness's man
Would not surprise me based on Wyness  comments, both out of their depth.
Hopefully The Good Doctor will realise sooner rather than later.

How can Wyness, former CEO of Everton, be out of his depth at Villa?
The 2 appointments he has made have not turned out fantastically well. I look at the squad which looks like a short term gamble.
Everton was a stable situation which is completely different challenge to the rebuilding job that has needed doing at Villa.
Then there was that Villa engine rubbish.



The two appointments have been managers who have proven themselves as managers and at Championship level. The board have supported both managers with significant funds. What more should the job be of the Chief Executive in your opinion? Is he meant to be a coach also?

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8844 on: December 17, 2017, 07:46:35 PM »
How can Wyness, former CEO of Everton, be out of his depth at Villa?
Well logic says he would not be however at Everton he was managing a steady Premier League team with little or no upheaval. At Villa he has taken on a totally different task. A challenge that he probably has no experience of or adaptable expertise to deal with?

Does that make him out of his depth? Or does it mean it’s just a different challenge that you would hope years of experience managing at a very senior level makes him a lot more astute and prepared than say a Tom Fox or Paul Faulkner? Doesn’t guarantee success but I don’t think it makes him out of his depth for the issues at our club.
Fair enough, although there is a reason why there are specialists that work in the Turnaround business that requires different skills to other types of corporate challenges.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8845 on: December 17, 2017, 07:51:09 PM »
Actually, the rumour mill has been suggesting for some time that Tony Xia is no great fan of Bruce.  It has been hinted from more than one reliable source that Bruce is Wyness's man
Would not surprise me based on Wyness  comments, both out of their depth.
Hopefully The Good Doctor will realise sooner rather than later.

How can Wyness, former CEO of Everton, be out of his depth at Villa?

That depends on what sort of job he did at Everton, surely?

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8846 on: December 17, 2017, 07:51:44 PM »
Actually, the rumour mill has been suggesting for some time that Tony Xia is no great fan of Bruce.  It has been hinted from more than one reliable source that Bruce is Wyness's man
Would not surprise me based on Wyness  comments, both out of their depth.
Hopefully The Good Doctor will realise sooner rather than later.

How can Wyness, former CEO of Everton, be out of his depth at Villa?

Because we're bigger and better than Everton?

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8847 on: December 17, 2017, 07:53:30 PM »
How can Wyness, former CEO of Everton, be out of his depth at Villa?
Well logic says he would not be however at Everton he was managing a steady Premier League team with little or no upheaval. At Villa he has taken on a totally different task. A challenge that he probably has no experience of or adaptable expertise to deal with?

Does that make him out of his depth? Or does it mean it’s just a different challenge that you would hope years of experience managing at a very senior level makes him a lot more astute and prepared than say a Tom Fox or Paul Faulkner? Doesn’t guarantee success but I don’t think it makes him out of his depth for the issues at our club.
Fair enough, although there is a reason why there are specialists that work in the Turnaround business that requires different skills to other types of corporate challenges.


There may well be but football isn’t like regular business built off a P&L. Sports is incredibly volatile. The very public expectations of the game means it pretty much defies logical thought at times and by its very nature spurred on by emotions and anxiety. Something that you don’t get to anything like the same degree in a corporate boardroom.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8848 on: December 17, 2017, 07:54:34 PM »
Actually, the rumour mill has been suggesting for some time that Tony Xia is no great fan of Bruce.  It has been hinted from more than one reliable source that Bruce is Wyness's man
Would not surprise me based on Wyness  comments, both out of their depth.
Hopefully The Good Doctor will realise sooner rather than later.

How can Wyness, former CEO of Everton, be out of his depth at Villa?
The 2 appointments he has made have not turned out fantastically well. I look at the squad which looks like a short term gamble.
Everton was a stable situation which is completely different challenge to the rebuilding job that has needed doing at Villa.
Then there was that Villa engine rubbish.



The two appointments have been managers who have proven themselves as managers and at Championship level. The board have supported both managers with significant funds. What more should the job be of the Chief Executive in your opinion? Is he meant to be a coach also?
The RDM appointment appeared to be a strategic decision , young coach with decent coaching team, 11 games in that strategy is thrown out the window and in comes the Promotion specialist with the stated objective to get to the play offs. This fails.
So then the strategy is back Bruce to get us up at all costs, which looks like failing.
We have bet the farm on Bruce and as a result are  stymied by FFP.
How can this be judged as success?
« Last Edit: December 17, 2017, 07:56:05 PM by ChicagoLion »

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #8849 on: December 17, 2017, 07:57:06 PM »
Actually, the rumour mill has been suggesting for some time that Tony Xia is no great fan of Bruce.  It has been hinted from more than one reliable source that Bruce is Wyness's man
Would not surprise me based on Wyness  comments, both out of their depth.
Hopefully The Good Doctor will realise sooner rather than later.

How can Wyness, former CEO of Everton, be out of his depth at Villa?

That depends on what sort of job he did at Everton, surely?

As far as I can see they ticked along nicely.

 


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