Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[stuart445]

last season RDM and Bruce reached special heights of shitness but that's gone now we can forget about it

this season Bruce is doing exactly the job he was bought in to do, he is performing exactly to the very letter how i thought he would when we appointed him

the last game i went to was Sunderland at home, we won and it was a supreme example of a Bruce performance, i know we have played better but in general it was fairy typical, it was a perfect example of how Bruce gets teams up out of this league and the reason i never wanted him

i dont believe in the 'lets get up and then plan' theory or the '3 seperate teams' bullshit,
 but i do believe that Bruce can get us up and even if i hate the way he's doing it with zero thought for the future or anything built to last when we do go up i have to accept we have got to get out of this league,

i don't agree its the only way to do it, the 'i dont care how bad it is as long as we go up' stuff is really the most pathetic nonsense i read on here, and i dont believe Bruce is anywhere near good enough for us long term

he might be the promotion specialist but he's also pretty damn good at relegations as well, and if we do manage to go up by stealth it would be very harsh to get rid of him and i don't think we would, but that's if we do go up so i suppose we can cross that bridge when it comes

we have seen a few old school British managers get jobs recently, Pardew, Moyes, Allardyce they might all do 'a job' for the clubs does'nt mean they are the right man or the fans will ever want them,
media lovies just like Bruce pundits who never say anything negative about them but keep swallowing the rubbish served up week by week

i don't post much on here for obvious reasons, its pointless banging on about 'Bruce out' when you lie 4th in the league and i never have called for 'Bruce out' because i never wanted him in the first place
but i haven't changed my view on him just because we are 4th in the Championship, he's doing what i thought he would do and i still think we will live to regret the time we will have wasted on Bruce as our manager

So you didn't want Bruce because of how he gets teams promoted from this league.   I don't think I have ever heard something so ridiculous as that I am totally stunned,  did you not celebrate the 1982 European Cup win as we only scored from a scruffy shinned goal?

You say you want promotion but then say you didn't want a manager who has a excellent record of promotion from this league because of the way he does it.

If you don't like the way Bruce does things then feel free not to attend another game as this club can do without "supporters" with you attitude.

if we won the next game 7:0 you'd be moaning that if it wasn't for Bruce it would have been 8.  Just when I think it can't get more bizarre you post something like that.

[Ger Regan]

You can cut out the "better fan than you" routine.

[Allan C]

I would position it this way. We very much underachieved for the early part of the season given our resources, squad depth and manager who has a lot of experience and success at this level. But since he steadied the ship we’ve done exactly as we should have done. Hypothetically had we started the season at an above average pace we’d probably be very close to top right now. We didn’t and there’s nothing that can be done about that. What’s evident recently is that Bruce has come across a system/formula/Strategy, whatever you want to call it, through his ability or luck (probably both) that seems to work. And if we keep going along this path given all of the assets we have at the club we should be promoted come May.

I mostly agree but then performances like Wolves and Sheffield Wednesday come to mind and make me think that the gap is still too wide right now.  4 wins and a draw or 2 in December and I'll believe that we've truly turned the corner, much less than that and it'll be treading water again.  We've got the players to go on a 10-12 game unbeaten run but we now need to go and get it done.  Then we can start looking at auto promotion seriously.

You won't,  you'll just find something else to use against Bruce. 

Every time we don't lose must really annoy some people, I bet when we went 1:0 down some could hardly contain themselves bet they were heart broken when Lansbury scored.

Way way off the mark and totally wrong. I love Villa and I’ll be around long after Bruce finally gets the push. I dislike his type of football whether he’s our manager or somebody else’s. I’d rather he was somebody else’s and the fact that we are in a good position and still the fans are split on him says a lot. But to suggest I’d cheer when we concede or lose is so ridiculous it’s laughable.

[Legion]

I would position it this way. We very much underachieved for the early part of the season given our resources, squad depth and manager who has a lot of experience and success at this level. But since he steadied the ship we’ve done exactly as we should have done. Hypothetically had we started the season at an above average pace we’d probably be very close to top right now. We didn’t and there’s nothing that can be done about that. What’s evident recently is that Bruce has come across a system/formula/Strategy, whatever you want to call it, through his ability or luck (probably both) that seems to work. And if we keep going along this path given all of the assets we have at the club we should be promoted come May.

I mostly agree but then performances like Wolves and Sheffield Wednesday come to mind and make me think that the gap is still too wide right now.  4 wins and a draw or 2 in December and I'll believe that we've truly turned the corner, much less than that and it'll be treading water again.  We've got the players to go on a 10-12 game unbeaten run but we now need to go and get it done.  Then we can start looking at auto promotion seriously.

You won't,  you'll just find something else to use against Bruce. 

Every time we don't lose must really annoy some people, I bet when we went 1:0 down some could hardly contain themselves bet they were heart broken when Lansbury scored.

What a ridiculous assumption to make.

[john e]

last season RDM and Bruce reached special heights of shitness but that's gone now we can forget about it

this season Bruce is doing exactly the job he was bought in to do, he is performing exactly to the very letter how i thought he would when we appointed him

the last game i went to was Sunderland at home, we won and it was a supreme example of a Bruce performance, i know we have played better but in general it was fairy typical, it was a perfect example of how Bruce gets teams up out of this league and the reason i never wanted him

i dont believe in the 'lets get up and then plan' theory or the '3 seperate teams' bullshit,
 but i do believe that Bruce can get us up and even if i hate the way he's doing it with zero thought for the future or anything built to last when we do go up i have to accept we have got to get out of this league,

i don't agree its the only way to do it, the 'i dont care how bad it is as long as we go up' stuff is really the most pathetic nonsense i read on here, and i dont believe Bruce is anywhere near good enough for us long term

he might be the promotion specialist but he's also pretty damn good at relegations as well, and if we do manage to go up by stealth it would be very harsh to get rid of him and i don't think we would, but that's if we do go up so i suppose we can cross that bridge when it comes

we have seen a few old school British managers get jobs recently, Pardew, Moyes, Allardyce they might all do 'a job' for the clubs does'nt mean they are the right man or the fans will ever want them,
media lovies just like Bruce pundits who never say anything negative about them but keep swallowing the rubbish served up week by week

i don't post much on here for obvious reasons, its pointless banging on about 'Bruce out' when you lie 4th in the league and i never have called for 'Bruce out' because i never wanted him in the first place
but i haven't changed my view on him just because we are 4th in the Championship, he's doing what i thought he would do and i still think we will live to regret the time we will have wasted on Bruce as our manager

So you didn't want Bruce because of how he gets teams promoted from this league.   I don't think I have ever heard something so ridiculous as that I am totally stunned,  did you not celebrate the 1982 European Cup win as we only scored from a scruffy shinned goal?

You say you want promotion but then say you didn't want a manager who has a excellent record of promotion from this league because of the way he does it.

If you don't like the way Bruce does things then feel free not to attend another game as this club can do without "supporters" with you attitude.

if we won the next game 7:0 you'd be moaning that if it wasn't for Bruce it would have been 8.  Just when I think it can't get more bizarre you post something like that.

in fairness I’ve probably said some more ridiculous things than that over the years
sorry you were stunned, smelling salts should do you the trick

[john e]

You can cut out the "better fan than you" routine.

he probably is a better fan than me mind

I’m such a hypocrite i celebrated every goal under Mcliesh and I didnt want that numty either

[Neil Hawkes]

How about a thread title change to “Bruce for promotion?”

[Rudy Can't Fail]

How about a thread title change to “Bruce for promotion?”

Do we really need two Directors of Football unless you're proposing he takes of the running of AVTV?

[Neil Hawkes]

How about a thread title change to “Bruce for promotion?”

Do we really need two Directors of Football unless you're proposing he takes of the running of AVTV?

In the spirit of Christmas, ho, ho, ho.

[olaftab]

if we won the next game 7:0 you'd be moaning that if it wasn't for Bruce it would have been 8.  Just when I think it can't get more bizarre you post something like that.

What an incredible  statement and comparing 1982 win to current style of football I would say that word bizarre is totally you.

[Diablo]

I see the Timmy Thomas afterglow didn't last long. I was hoping for a slightly longer, or at least more subdued, cease fire.

[KevinGage]

How about a thread title change to “Bruce for promotion?”

Every time we have flirted with a change of title, we have gone on a monumentally shit run of form.

So this one will do just grand.

But a second thread 'Is Bruce really just Pep with curves' or whatever might be a welcome addition.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Every time we have flirted with a change of title, we have gone on a monumentally shit run of form.

So this one will do just grand.

But a second thread 'Is Bruce really just Pep with curves' or whatever might be a welcome addition.

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[paul_e]

I would position it this way. We very much underachieved for the early part of the season given our resources, squad depth and manager who has a lot of experience and success at this level. But since he steadied the ship we’ve done exactly as we should have done. Hypothetically had we started the season at an above average pace we’d probably be very close to top right now. We didn’t and there’s nothing that can be done about that. What’s evident recently is that Bruce has come across a system/formula/Strategy, whatever you want to call it, through his ability or luck (probably both) that seems to work. And if we keep going along this path given all of the assets we have at the club we should be promoted come May.

I mostly agree but then performances like Wolves and Sheffield Wednesday come to mind and make me think that the gap is still too wide right now.  4 wins and a draw or 2 in December and I'll believe that we've truly turned the corner, much less than that and it'll be treading water again.  We've got the players to go on a 10-12 game unbeaten run but we now need to go and get it done.  Then we can start looking at auto promotion seriously.

You won't,  you'll just find something else to use against Bruce. 

Every time we don't lose must really annoy some people, I bet when we went 1:0 down some could hardly contain themselves bet they were heart broken when Lansbury scored.

Oh dear, we've reached the "you don't agree with me so you're not a real fan" level.  I'll give credit where I think it's due, I gave him credit, in the match thread and post match thread, because his subs changed the game and we'd have lost this game a few months back.  I've said repeatedly that I want to be proven wrong but I still think we'll not have enough to make the top2.  I think 8 points short coming up towards the halfway point makes that a fair stance but a few of you refuse to accept it as such and come out with bollocks like this instead.

Just to make it clear though, I think the biggest problem Villa have had for the last decade is that everyone has thought only about the next few games, with had no srategic planning for the future, we've made signings purely on what they bring today and had very little interest in what they offer in the long term.  The ultimate result of that strategy was relegation but instead of using that as a wake up call we've again gone with a manager who values personality over ability and filled the squad with short term solutions.  Wyness and Round have spoken about long term plans but I think the mid-term transition to that is going to be a painful and expensive process.  Because of that I think the bar for Bruce (but more importantly the short-term approach he's taking) has to be short-term success, which means promotion and nothing less.

[PaulWinch again]

You can cut out the "better fan than you" routine.

he probably is a better fan than me mind

I’m such a hypocrite i celebrated every goal under Mcliesh and I didnt want that numty either

Don't know, ask him what he thought of Benteke.