Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[ChicagoLion]

I don’t think it gets any better than this under Bruce, it’s not pretty but effective although there were a few attacks when we played some football.
There seems to be a unity and method about our play.
The next test is to beat top of the table teams and to be able to adapt to different circumstances.

[Bad English]

Beating inferior opposition such as [At least we're not] Leeds away will get the tuberous one back on my Christmas list. Until then, I'm undecided.

[Chris Smith]

We look organised and together as a team, that is a tribute to the coaching and management and on top of that one or two individuals are performing extremely well. We are also dealing with injuries to important players without it having any undue impact and that is down to proper planning and recruitment by the club. It is the first time in a long time we have been able to say any of those things.

[Clampy]

I think we're doing absolutely fine. I'd like to see us put a few more goals past teams but other than that it's going pretty well. The test is to stay in touch with the top two from now on.

[SoccerHQ]

I'd be more than happy with a point v Leeds. I'd actually allow Bruce to go back into his ultra defensive mode for that one. Point and then beat Millwall and we'd be in very good shape for the tough xmas period.

Lets not forget a point there and it's another game where we're getting a better result than last season.

Beat Leeds and we should be getting very confident about our automatic promotion chances.

[Mister E]

I'd be more than happy with a point v Leeds. I'd actually allow Bruce to go back into his ultra defensive mode for that one. Point and then beat Millwall and we'd be in very good shape for the tough xmas period.

Lets not forget a point there and it's another game where we're getting a better result than last season.

Beat Leeds and we should be getting very confident about our automatic promotion chances.

Leeds have lost several at home already and I'd be looking at those games carfully to see how we too can do so. If we set up to defend, we'll probably lose.

[PaulWinch again]

Having watched the highlights I think we played with a bit more style yesterday.

[ez]

I think we're doing absolutely fine. I'd like to see us put a few more goals past teams but other than that it's going pretty well. The test is to stay in touch with the top two from now on.

Or get ahead of them

[sickbeggar]

well its 3 wins out of 3 i guess which is all anyone can ask for. Performance wise after QPR we returned to Bruce's terrible default football against Sunderland, yesterday was a bit better at times. Injuries are worrying now, and i hope the manager is given some leeway moneywise as it would be awful to get to the end of January off the pace because the owner refused to gamble. Just flog Hogan at a big loss if needs be, if it means we get a centre half and a striker. Now we're hitting those more difficult games in december and realistically we need to be picking up the same points total from November to keep up with the pace - P5 W4 L1 so in december we needs something like P6 W4 D1 L1 -  12 points minimum i'd say - tough ask given the opposition

[ChicagoLion]

Unfortunately, Taking a big loss on a player is exactly what FFP rules will not allow if you have allready accumulated the maximum of losses allowed.
This is not about Bruce being given leeway by the owner it is what is allowable under FFP,

[sickbeggar]

Unfortunately, Taking a big loss on a player is exactly what FFP rules will not allow if you have allready accumulated the maximum of losses allowed.
This is not about Bruce being given leeway by the owner it is what is allowable under FFP,

Well the FFP is £13m loss a season or £39m over 3 seasons i think. I have no idea what we have lost in 3 seasons but  i can't see getting 6m back for Hogan making things worse.

[ChicagoLion]

Unfortunately, Taking a big loss on a player is exactly what FFP rules will not allow if you have allready accumulated the maximum of losses allowed.
This is not about Bruce being given leeway by the owner it is what is allowable under FFP,

Well the FFP is £13m loss a season or £39m over 3 seasons i think. I have no idea what we have lost in 3 seasons but  i can't see getting 6m back for Hogan making things worse.

If that means we write off 4 million it makes it 4 million worse.
Dont take up,accountancy.

[sickbeggar]

Unfortunately, Taking a big loss on a player is exactly what FFP rules will not allow if you have allready accumulated the maximum of losses allowed.
This is not about Bruce being given leeway by the owner it is what is allowable under FFP,

Well the FFP is £13m loss a season or £39m over 3 seasons i think. I have no idea what we have lost in 3 seasons but  i can't see getting 6m back for Hogan making things worse.

If that means we write off 4 million it makes it 4 million worse.
Dont take up,accountancy.

Obviously not. I'm still struggling to work out how clawing back 6m and probably the same in wages, is worse than writing off 12m and the same in wages

[ChicagoLion]

Unfortunately, Taking a big loss on a player is exactly what FFP rules will not allow if you have allready accumulated the maximum of losses allowed.
This is not about Bruce being given leeway by the owner it is what is allowable under FFP,

Well the FFP is £13m loss a season or £39m over 3 seasons i think. I have no idea what we have lost in 3 seasons but  i can't see getting 6m back for Hogan making things worse.

If that means we write off 4 million it makes it 4 million worse.
Dont take up,accountancy.

Obviously not. I'm still struggling to work out how clawing back 6m and probably the same in wages, is worse than writing off 12m and the same in wages

Because players transfer fees are written off over the period of thier contract.
So if we spent 10 on Hogan and gave him a 5 year contract, his value on the books after 1 year would be 8 million. If we sold him for 4 million we would have to write off the balance of 4 million.
This would make our FFP position worse by 4 million.

[sickbeggar]

Unfortunately, Taking a big loss on a player is exactly what FFP rules will not allow if you have allready accumulated the maximum of losses allowed.
This is not about Bruce being given leeway by the owner it is what is allowable under FFP,

Well the FFP is £13m loss a season or £39m over 3 seasons i think. I have no idea what we have lost in 3 seasons but  i can't see getting 6m back for Hogan making things worse.

If that means we write off 4 million it makes it 4 million worse.
Dont take up,accountancy.

Obviously not. I'm still struggling to work out how clawing back 6m and probably the same in wages, is worse than writing off 12m and the same in wages

Because players transfer fees are written off over the period of thier contract.
So if we spent 10 on Hogan and gave him a 5 year contract, his value on the books after 1 year would be 8 million. If we sold him for 4 million we would have to write off the balance of 4 million.
This would make our FFP position worse by 4 million.

well if we're heading down into the fantasy world of amortisation then you're correct. Both you and I know that in the real world the value of players doesn't always  decrease or rise depending on the length of their contract. If Hogan had scored 10 goals upto now and continued in that vein till the summer, we'd be looking at far over the 12m we paid. Likewise the fact that he can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo means his amortisation value this summer is already far over his real value. The reality is if we don't sell him soon it's likely we'll be writing off all of it, whether its now or in 5 years time.