Quote from: AVH87 on August 11, 2017, 12:12:10 PMI guess Burns will have to wait for one or two more failures to be considered for an opportunity.Put another way, it is 16-18 innings. A lot less than England batsmen get given before they are written off as being not good enough. Whilst Hameed didn't do a bad job in India, the slow/low pitches meant I wasn't sold based on that alone, and in more testing swinging conditions back home he has been found out, as I believe he would be against genuine pace on bouncy, Australian tracks.I'm obviously not privy to selection discussions, but I've never really seen Burns linked or talked about in regards to national selection. It's getting pretty desperate though, so I wouldn't rule out anyone at this juncture. I guess time will tell with Hameed.
I guess Burns will have to wait for one or two more failures to be considered for an opportunity.Put another way, it is 16-18 innings. A lot less than England batsmen get given before they are written off as being not good enough. Whilst Hameed didn't do a bad job in India, the slow/low pitches meant I wasn't sold based on that alone, and in more testing swinging conditions back home he has been found out, as I believe he would be against genuine pace on bouncy, Australian tracks.
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 11, 2017, 12:30:10 PMQuote from: AVH87 on August 11, 2017, 12:12:10 PMI guess Burns will have to wait for one or two more failures to be considered for an opportunity.Put another way, it is 16-18 innings. A lot less than England batsmen get given before they are written off as being not good enough. Whilst Hameed didn't do a bad job in India, the slow/low pitches meant I wasn't sold based on that alone, and in more testing swinging conditions back home he has been found out, as I believe he would be against genuine pace on bouncy, Australian tracks.I'm obviously not privy to selection discussions, but I've never really seen Burns linked or talked about in regards to national selection. It's getting pretty desperate though, so I wouldn't rule out anyone at this juncture. I guess time will tell with Hameed. It will. The frustration for me is most people assuming he's going to be great based on 3 pretty decent matches in India, but then a much bigger chunk of games (8-9 poor games this season as you alluded to above) isn't enough to judge him on.
Quote from: AVH87 on August 11, 2017, 01:50:21 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on August 11, 2017, 12:30:10 PMQuote from: AVH87 on August 11, 2017, 12:12:10 PMI guess Burns will have to wait for one or two more failures to be considered for an opportunity.Put another way, it is 16-18 innings. A lot less than England batsmen get given before they are written off as being not good enough. Whilst Hameed didn't do a bad job in India, the slow/low pitches meant I wasn't sold based on that alone, and in more testing swinging conditions back home he has been found out, as I believe he would be against genuine pace on bouncy, Australian tracks.I'm obviously not privy to selection discussions, but I've never really seen Burns linked or talked about in regards to national selection. It's getting pretty desperate though, so I wouldn't rule out anyone at this juncture. I guess time will tell with Hameed. It will. The frustration for me is most people assuming he's going to be great based on 3 pretty decent matches in India, but then a much bigger chunk of games (8-9 poor games this season as you alluded to above) isn't enough to judge him on.I think most people think he's going to be great because last season he scored 1,198 Championship runs for Lancashire last season at an average of a squint under 50. Then looked pretty solid in the tests he played. Yes, he's faltered this season, but there's good grounds to think he'll be something fairly special.
Some interesting comments from Nick Compton:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/40923351I thought he'd be bitter but he's written a balanced account of his experiences.
Having a unique technique is fine if it's effective but if, like Ballance for example, you have a clear flaw that you're not addressing and it's seeing you underperform them you have to accept the criticism.
But if they are performing then their technique won't be picked apart. The thing is for the player to listen only to those coaches he trusts to put it right, there is no need for any player to take any heed whatsoever of the pundits and commentators, if he does and then loses confidence because of it then it's his own fault really. As for the first point, you can get away with a flawed technique at County level, the best bowlers hardly play County cricket any more, it should be up to the coaches, including the England coaches if a player is on the radar, to pick up these flaws early so they are not bought into the Test arena when the time comes. There is enough technology about these days for every potential England players technique to be analysed before they get anywhere near the first XI.
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 15, 2017, 11:01:03 PM But if they are performing then their technique won't be picked apart. The thing is for the player to listen only to those coaches he trusts to put it right, there is no need for any player to take any heed whatsoever of the pundits and commentators, if he does and then loses confidence because of it then it's his own fault really. As for the first point, you can get away with a flawed technique at County level, the best bowlers hardly play County cricket any more, it should be up to the coaches, including the England coaches if a player is on the radar, to pick up these flaws early so they are not bought into the Test arena when the time comes. There is enough technology about these days for every potential England players technique to be analysed before they get anywhere near the first XI.First point - suppose so but Compton's piece gives an idea of how tough it must be when you are struggling at that level and how self doubt can begin to creep in.Second point - that's a pretty damning assessment of County cricket then. Let's be honest, the County Championship list it's prestige a while ago and now serves primarily as a breeding ground for Team England. If players are arriving at international level with major technical flaws that aren't being picked up at that level, then something is obviously wrong.
Second point - that's a pretty damning assessment of County cricket then. Let's be honest, the County Championship list it's prestige a while ago and now serves primarily as a breeding ground for Team England. If players are arriving at international level with major technical flaws that aren't being picked up at that level, then something is obviously wrong.
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 15, 2017, 11:57:16 PMSecond point - that's a pretty damning assessment of County cricket then. Let's be honest, the County Championship list it's prestige a while ago and now serves primarily as a breeding ground for Team England. If players are arriving at international level with major technical flaws that aren't being picked up at that level, then something is obviously wrong.It is a damning assessment and is meant to be. If, as you say, the County Championship is meant to be a step on the way to International Cricket then the England coaches should be all over the most promising players and should be all over the coaching staff at the counties of those players. Players are still coming into the Test arena with basic flaws in technique that should have been picked up and ironed out when they first came onto the radar. Test cricket is brutal and unfortunately County cricket, as it currently stands, is not a good place to prepare for it.