SHA 1 Aston Villa 1 Post match thread.

[croatian]

We got up the island where Morriarty's is and eventually hundreds of us just pushed left through the escort.

They were taking us right back to Aston. Fucking morons. All those police, time and effort because there was a couple hundred Noses in a pub.

Don't be ungrateful. It's all done for your safety and comfort, them being experts in crowd control. And if anything did go wrong, you can rest assured they'll be open and honest.

Just ask the families of the Hillsborough victims.

Hilsborough was 27 fucking years ago and nothing to do with West Mids police.  Dragging that up is just to have a go is pathetic, in bad taste and way out of proportion.

Really?
It's got plenty to do with the WMP. WMP weren't part of the fucking cover up? They didn't carry out an investigation? And  found that all deaths were accidental? And that there was insufficient evidence to prosecute anyone? We now know different. They are lying bastards, and they've been found out as such.
The Coroner's verdict was that 97 people were killed unlawfully through gross negligence.
In the context of 97 innocents having their lives ended through negligence, then a cover up by the WMP and SYP that lasted decades, I suspect your reaction to my post is way out of proportion.
Your post is pathetic.
Do some research before commenting.

[VillaBoy_23]

We got up the island where Morriarty's is and eventually hundreds of us just pushed left through the escort.

They were taking us right back to Aston. Fucking morons. All those police, time and effort because there was a couple hundred Noses in a pub.

Don't be ungrateful. It's all done for your safety and comfort, them being experts in crowd control. And if anything did go wrong, you can rest assured they'll be open and honest.

Just ask the families of the Hillsborough victims.

Hilsborough was 27 fucking years ago and nothing to do with West Mids police.  Dragging that up is just to have a go is pathetic, in bad taste and way out of proportion.

You obviously don't know much regarding the aftermath of Hillsbrough if you think it has nothing to do with West Midlands police. Would love to know more regarding the legality of marching members of the public miles in a direction they may not want to go in without their consent. Surely can't be legal? I thought it took long enough for our mini bus to leave but that was something else.

Thought the game was a bit rubbish tbh. Adomah having to go off really stifled our counter attacks but at least we didn't lose. I think the main thing I took from going to the game yesterday is what a vile bunch of fans Blues have.

[Clark W Griswold]

You'd have thought Shotton would have colour co ordinated his blue dreadlocks to the correct shade of blue, I think he'd gone for an aqua blue rather than royal blue and it looked like he'd let his mate do it whilst drunk. I don't suppose the blues pay a lot but you'd think he'd be able to have his hair done at a proper salon.

[chrisw1]

We got up the island where Morriarty's is and eventually hundreds of us just pushed left through the escort.

They were taking us right back to Aston. Fucking morons. All those police, time and effort because there was a couple hundred Noses in a pub.

Don't be ungrateful. It's all done for your safety and comfort, them being experts in crowd control. And if anything did go wrong, you can rest assured they'll be open and honest.

Just ask the families of the Hillsborough victims.

Hilsborough was 27 fucking years ago and nothing to do with West Mids police.  Dragging that up is just to have a go is pathetic, in bad taste and way out of proportion.

Really?
It's got plenty to do with the WMP. WMP weren't part of the fucking cover up? They didn't carry out an investigation? And  found that all deaths were accidental? And that there was insufficient evidence to prosecute anyone? We now know different. They are lying bastards, and they've been found out as such.
The Coroner's verdict was that 97 people were killed unlawfully through gross negligence.
In the context of 97 innocents having their lives ended through negligence, then a cover up by the WMP and SYP that lasted decades, I suspect your reaction to my post is way out of proportion.
Your post is pathetic.
Do some research before commenting.

WMP were not on duty that day.  However, the point is bringing it up was entirely out of proportion and not at all relevant to the policing of this weekend.  Dragging it up is points scoring on your part and in very bad taste.  I'll tell you what is pathetic - using the death of 97 people just to have a dig a current policing a quarter of a century later.  A lot of the officers on duty won't have even been born when Hilsborough happened, but yep they're all murdering lying ****** aren't they? 

[Clampy]

You'd have thought Shotton would have colour co ordinated his blue dreadlocks to the correct shade of blue, I think he'd gone for an aqua blue rather than royal blue and it looked like he'd let his mate do it whilst drunk. I don't suppose the blues pay a lot but you'd think he'd be able to have his hair done at a proper salon.

He looked like one of those Vileda mops.

[croatian]

We got up the island where Morriarty's is and eventually hundreds of us just pushed left through the escort.

They were taking us right back to Aston. Fucking morons. All those police, time and effort because there was a couple hundred Noses in a pub.

Don't be ungrateful. It's all done for your safety and comfort, them being experts in crowd control. And if anything did go wrong, you can rest assured they'll be open and honest.

Just ask the families of the Hillsborough victims.

Hilsborough was 27 fucking years ago and nothing to do with West Mids police.  Dragging that up is just to have a go is pathetic, in bad taste and way out of proportion.

Really?
It's got plenty to do with the WMP. WMP weren't part of the fucking cover up? They didn't carry out an investigation? And  found that all deaths were accidental? And that there was insufficient evidence to prosecute anyone? We now know different. They are lying bastards, and they've been found out as such.
The Coroner's verdict was that 97 people were killed unlawfully through gross negligence.
In the context of 97 innocents having their lives ended through negligence, then a cover up by the WMP and SYP that lasted decades, I suspect your reaction to my post is way out of proportion.
Your post is pathetic.
Do some research before commenting.

WMP were not on duty that day.  However, the point is bringing it up was entirely out of proportion and not at all relevant to the policing of this weekend.  Dragging it up is points scoring on your part and in very bad taste.  I'll tell you what is pathetic - using the death of 97 people just to have a dig a current policing a quarter of a century later.  A lot of the officers on duty won't have even been born when Hilsborough happened, but yep they're all murdering lying c***s aren't they? 

You said that.
Not me.
It was "27 fucking years ago" so it doesn't really matter very much, does it?
Now that really is bad taste.
Policing yesterday was relevant.
The police treated football fans with contempt back In the 70's, and 80's, after what I read about the policing yesterday it would appear that nothing much has changed?
Despite Hillsborough.

[chrisw1]

You inferred it.  Stop trying to flip this - YOU dragged up a tragedy just to have a pop at todays police force and it is in bad taste.  Yesterday they were trying to avoid flashpoints - whilst it sounds like it was frustrating for the fans they largely succeeded.  How does that bare any resemblance to the Hillsborough tragedy?  Don't bother answering because nothing can justify the correlation you are trying to draw and your attempts at justifying yourself are pretty nauseous.

[sid1964]

IF WMP had treated everyone as they did in the 70s and 80s yesterday, then it would have been every man, woman and child for themselves as we left the ground

WMP achieved there objective there was no major disorder, and no running battles on the streets, so they will look at this as the best result they could of hoped for.

I did not agree with the way we were treated at the end of the game but we got home safely.

[Chico Hamilton III]

IF WMP had treated everyone as they did in the 70s and 80s yesterday, then it would have been every man, woman and child for themselves as we left the ground

Take it you never went to Cov in the 80s then. I'd have loved to have been able to make my own way back from the ground without being kettled by coppers. Probably an urban myth, but there was a story of a Cov Poly student who inadvertently got caught up in the Villa fans' escort and ended up being put on a train back to New Steet when he only lived 2 mins from Highfield Road but the coppers wouldn't listen to his protests. And then there were the cages at Millwall and Forest......

[Chris Jameson]

IF WMP had treated everyone as they did in the 70s and 80s yesterday, then it would have been every man, woman and child for themselves as we left the ground

WMP achieved there objective there was no major disorder, and no running battles on the streets, so they will look at this as the best result they could of hoped for.

I did not agree with the way we were treated at the end of the game but we got home safely.

Take it you never went to Cov in the 80s then. I'd have loved to have been able to make my own way back from the ground without being kettled by coppers. Probably an urban myth, but there was a story of a Cov Poly student who inadvertently got caught up in the Villa fans' escort and ended up being put on a train back to New Steet when he only lived 2 mins from Highfield Road but the coppers wouldn't listen to his protests. And then there were the cages at Millwall and Forest......

I got threatened with arrest leaving Filbert Street in 1981 because I had the nerve to ask if I could possibly catch my train back north rather than be marched to a train going to Birmingham.

Friends who encountered WMP when attending matches as away supporters always described them as the biggest bunch of bastards they encountered. Mate of mine got randomly thrown in the back of a police van when he went to see Leeds at the Hawthorns, he was 15 at the time and got the shit kicked out of him. Unfortunately for the coppers responsible his dad happened to be a high ranking officer in the North Yorkshire police.

[Richard E]

H and V (the paper one) used to feature regular moans about WMP's treatment of away supporters in that era, from what I remember. 

[Walmley_Villa]

Late 80s I remember watching from the Holte when the WMP used to pile into the away fans with batons on the NS terracing. Seemed to happen in most matches at the time.

[Hoppo]

I was there yesterday, drank in The Social before and after and overall thought the Old Bill got it right, kept us back a tad too long but if you were in the escort there were times you could have slipped out..

[dave.woodhall]

A few weeks ago someone on here said that matchday commanders at Queens Road used to have no idea of football supporter mentality and that attitude went down to ground level. Policing at Villa Park has improved vastly since then and I wonder if that has anything to do with the number of ex-top policemen who've been employed by the club, meaning that there's a bit more liaison. Certainly, back then it seemed that the police came up with all sorts of draconian ideas and Villa went along with them blindly.

[damon loves JT]

Reports of trouble and a stabbing at The Yenton pub in Erdington. Some saying Blues stormed the pub and attacked innocent bystanders including women, which wouldn't be a surprise as that's their style. Others saying it was Villa on Villa.

Apparently a domestic dispute - not blues related.

Which is why it is an absolutely *terrible* idea to start discussing things like that on a forum like this without knowing all the facts.