Next Villa manager

[cdbearsfan]

Acceptance of mediocrity is a guaranteed step towards continued failure.

[VillaAlways]

Acceptance of mediocrity is a guaranteed step towards continued failure.

How is choosing a manager with the best credentials to get us out of the shit quick and hopefully promoted accepting mediocrity?

We really are going round in circles here

[Jimbo]

Great, if we can get back up to being mediocre, then maybe we can push on and become half decent again?

[cdbearsfan]

Acceptance of mediocrity is a guaranteed step towards continued failure.

How is choosing a manager with the best credentials to get us out of the shit quick and hopefully promoted accepting mediocrity?

We really are going round in circles here

Those who are stating, on an endless loop, that we need to get a "reality check", because we are nineteenth in the league, ignoring our colossal potential and wealth, are quite clearly accepting mediocrity.

I'm coming round to the idea of Steve Bruce. He wouldn't be my ideal choice but I can see the thinking behind it  (which I couldn't with, say, the appointments of McLeish and Sherwood).

It doesn't mean I'm not bored to death with people reiterating our league position as if they are Holders of the Ultimate Truth and the only sages to have spotted that we've gone a bit shit lately.

[VillaAlways]

Take heart by looking at West Ham ( albeit they're a bit shite at the mo) and let's hope we follow a similar path

[exiled on the wirral!]

We're 19th in the Championship and people are turning their nose up at Bruce because all he'll offer us is promotion.......Jesus f'kin wept!

Other fans browsing our board must be pissing themselves. It's embarrassing

It's not a question of turning our noses at Bruce..its a question of exploring all options and looking at the bigger picture. I'd settle for Bruce, it's just an appointment that I'm not overjoyed with.

[auntiesledd]

Great, if we can get back up to being mediocre, then maybe we can push on and become half decent again?

This. With mediocre bells on.

[themossman]

Acceptance of mediocrity is a guaranteed step towards continued failure.

How is choosing a manager with the best credentials to get us out of the shit quick and hopefully promoted accepting mediocrity?

We really are going round in circles here

Those who are stating, on an endless loop, that we need to get a "reality check", because we are nineteenth in the league, ignoring our colossal potential and wealth, are quite clearly accepting mediocrity.

I'm coming round to the idea of Steve Bruce. He wouldn't be my ideal choice but I can see the thinking behind it  (which I couldn't with, say, the appointments of McLeish and Sherwood).

It doesn't mean I'm not bored to death with people reiterating our league position as if they are Holders of the Ultimate Truth and the only sages to have spotted that we've gone a bit shit lately.

To be fair, CD, I'm pro Bruce ahead of arguably more 'ambitious' options but it's nothing to do with the league position. I'm more swayed by the nature of our various capitulations, our hostile media treatment and the fact that we still seem to be teetering on the edge of basket case club status despite replacing all the key figures at the club. I wouldn't say we need mediocrity but we need stability more than anything. To me that means proven in this league, proven in his ability to deal with the media and with dysfunctional behind the scenes set ups. Bruce has those things more than most.

[Jimbo]

We're 19th in the Championship and people are turning their nose up at Bruce because all he'll offer us is promotion.......Jesus f'kin wept!

Other fans browsing our board must be pissing themselves. It's embarrassing

It's not a question of turning our noses at Bruce..its a question of exploring all options and looking at the bigger picture. I'd settle for Bruce, it's just an appointment that I'm not overjoyed with.

We might have explored all the options, we don't know. And according to Pat Murphy, there may be a surprise in store, so take heart. Like cdbullyweefan, I'm hoping its either Pep Guardiola or Zeus.

[Clark W Griswold]

Colossal wealth? I think we'll have to wait and see on that one. Lots of potential, it would appear so at the moment. Would you not agree that Blues, Hull and Wigan are insignificant no marks who were punching well above their weight with Bruce in charge. Imagine what could be done with our club then?
There's no guarantee this will follow, no guarantee he'll even get us back up, but it's as good a bet as any other. Lambert, Sherwood, Garde and De Matteo were all supposed to be up and coming with fresh ideas and look how they turned out. I think it's a gamble whatever we do, but at least we'd be trying something we haven't done for a long time by going for experience.

[chrisw1]

That's a bit ridiculous.  Pep would have his work cut out getting us promoted this season.  But if he promotes us next season - still a failure?

Yes, because if we have to take stock in this league for another season I want the team and style we tkae up with us to be a fair way along the road to being a good premier league side, I don't think Bruce can do that so for us to be in that sort of position at the start of 18-19 we need Bruce to get us up this year so we have a season to stabilise in the premier league.  As I said it's harsh (ridiculous is an over-reaction though) but intentionally so, people are only interested because he has 4 promotions to his name so he has to be judged solely on that basis.  Yes we're struggling a little but 4-5 wins on the trot and we're back in the mix for the play-offs, if he can't manage that between now and Christmas (and decent results outside that spell) with a squad that is, regardless of position, one of the 2-3 strongest in the league then he isn't the 'safe pair of hands' that so many see him to be.

Ridiculous isn't an over reaction.  In my opinion that is exactly what your stance is.  The point is we need to get back up this season or next.  If we make another bad choice we may well continue to plummet and we just can't afford to do that.  Right now, in the middle of a season where we are in free fall, taking a gamble on a manager (like Garde for instance) would be a massive risk.  If Bruce can get us up in one or two seasons, then that is exactly what we need.  Once we are stable, then can kick on from a more solid foundation.

[cdbearsfan]

We're 19th in the Championship and people are turning their nose up at Bruce because all he'll offer us is promotion.......Jesus f'kin wept!

Other fans browsing our board must be pissing themselves. It's embarrassing

It's not a question of turning our noses at Bruce..its a question of exploring all options and looking at the bigger picture. I'd settle for Bruce, it's just an appointment that I'm not overjoyed with.

We might have explored all the options, we don't know. And according to Pat Murphy, there may be a surprise in store, so take heart. Like cdbullyweefan, I'm hoping its either Pep Guardiola or Zeus.

Hmmmm... not too sure, they both sound a bit foreign to me.

[paul_e]

That's a bit ridiculous.  Pep would have his work cut out getting us promoted this season.  But if he promotes us next season - still a failure?

Yes, because if we have to take stock in this league for another season I want the team and style we tkae up with us to be a fair way along the road to being a good premier league side, I don't think Bruce can do that so for us to be in that sort of position at the start of 18-19 we need Bruce to get us up this year so we have a season to stabilise in the premier league.  As I said it's harsh (ridiculous is an over-reaction though) but intentionally so, people are only interested because he has 4 promotions to his name so he has to be judged solely on that basis.  Yes we're struggling a little but 4-5 wins on the trot and we're back in the mix for the play-offs, if he can't manage that between now and Christmas (and decent results outside that spell) with a squad that is, regardless of position, one of the 2-3 strongest in the league then he isn't the 'safe pair of hands' that so many see him to be.

Ridiculous isn't an over reaction.  In my opinion that is exactly what your stance is.  The point is we need to get back up this season or next.  If we make another bad choice we may well continue to plummet and we just can't afford to do that.  Right now, in the middle of a season where we are in free fall, taking a gamble on a manager (like Garde for instance) would be a massive risk.  If Bruce can get us up in one or two seasons, then that is exactly what we need.  Once we are stable, then can kick on from a more solid foundation.

but if it takes him 2 seasons then when we get to the premier league and realise he's not going to be good enough to push to the top 6 all that stability will be gone because we'll have a squad assembled by Bruce to play his way and we'll need a couple of seasons to turn that around.  That's the point, if you appoint someone like him who has no place in the long term plan for the club then he has deliver big time in the short term or you've just delayed everything for a couple of years to no real benefit (in a long term sense).  As I say it's harsh but it's fair because the only reason we're interested is because we want to go back up this year.

[Jimbo]

We're 19th in the Championship and people are turning their nose up at Bruce because all he'll offer us is promotion.......Jesus f'kin wept!

Other fans browsing our board must be pissing themselves. It's embarrassing

It's not a question of turning our noses at Bruce..its a question of exploring all options and looking at the bigger picture. I'd settle for Bruce, it's just an appointment that I'm not overjoyed with.

We might have explored all the options, we don't know. And according to Pat Murphy, there may be a surprise in store, so take heart. Like cdbullyweefan, I'm hoping its either Pep Guardiola or Zeus.

Hmmmm... not too sure, they both sound a bit foreign to me.

Ah c'mon, Zeus would be perfect. Foreign, bearded, well regarded in Italy, and he's been in the game long enough to remember our last back-to-back wins.

[cdbearsfan]

Can't be doing with the beard. He sounds like a bloody hipster.

Bet he drinks craft beer.