Next Villa manager

[Ian.]

Maybe someone like Garde perhaps, Monty? 😉

To be perfectly honest I can see the logic in hiring Bruce but Monty's approach would be the more exciting one IF we got the right fella and the board and fans alike had the patience for the long road ahead. Unfortunately I see neither having that patience.

[nigel]

Fcuk me folks, let's get a bit of perspective here. We need to focus on winning more than we lose before anything else. That in itself is massive progress.

So the answer is appoint a manager  with 36% win ratio?

What's our win ratio over the last 5 seasons?

[Monty]

Monty, the simplest way I can put it is we've been in freefall and we're not showing any signs of hitting the ground yet. We can't rebuild while we're still falling. We have to stop the rot first, get some stability, learn how to win a few games and then rebuild. We can't start any forward thinking while we're still slipping backwards.

Our short term ambitions are not getting into a full blooded relegation battle. That's what I mean by a wartime manager. Once we're on an even keel, then perhaps we can find this mystery Karanka / Wagner figure who can haul us into the 21st century, whoever it is. We're so far from that right now it's ridiculous.

Everyone in the Championship can smell blood. We are weak, they know it, and they will happily give us a kicking. We have two derbies coming up, for instance, which I'm not looking forward to in any way. Is anyone?

I wouldn't underestimate the sheer incompetence of RDM. For us it feels like the same old slippage, but remember this is virtually a new team which has been comically mismanaged by a guy who many, the Guardian pod lot for instance, regard as a joke and a charlatan.

I suppose you're more worried about relegation than I am. Frankly, if I were really worried about relegation I'd be more tempted to go for Clarke as interim, because we wouldn't be awarding an expensive new contract to a reasonably big name who presumably wouldn't see his job as half-a-season firefighter against relegation to Division 3. I still think we'll have way more than enough to get ourselves clear of real trouble, and so my thinking then turns towards rebuilding - something I just don't believe Bruce is the man to do.

[saunders_heroes]

Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now waxing lyrical about the Villa. Sounds like he's desperate for the job.

[kippaxvilla2]

Monty, the simplest way I can put it is we've been in freefall and we're not showing any signs of hitting the ground yet. We can't rebuild while we're still falling. We have to stop the rot first, get some stability, learn how to win a few games and then rebuild. We can't start any forward thinking while we're still slipping backwards.

Our short term ambitions are not getting into a full blooded relegation battle. That's what I mean by a wartime manager. Once we're on an even keel, then perhaps we can find this mystery Karanka / Wagner figure who can haul us into the 21st century, whoever it is. We're so far from that right now it's ridiculous.

Everyone in the Championship can smell blood. We are weak, they know it, and they will happily give us a kicking. We have two derbies coming up, for instance, which I'm not looking forward to in any way. Is anyone?

Exactly. 

Also, Vic Crowe couldn't prevent our slide to Division 3 as it was but started the recovery.  Maybe Bruce is the modern day equivalent?  Without the slide to Division 3 obviously!

[Monty]

Monty, the simplest way I can put it is we've been in freefall and we're not showing any signs of hitting the ground yet. We can't rebuild while we're still falling. We have to stop the rot first, get some stability, learn how to win a few games and then rebuild. We can't start any forward thinking while we're still slipping backwards.

Our short term ambitions are not getting into a full blooded relegation battle. That's what I mean by a wartime manager. Once we're on an even keel, then perhaps we can find this mystery Karanka / Wagner figure who can haul us into the 21st century, whoever it is. We're so far from that right now it's ridiculous.

Everyone in the Championship can smell blood. We are weak, they know it, and they will happily give us a kicking. We have two derbies coming up, for instance, which I'm not looking forward to in any way. Is anyone?

Exactly. 

Also, Vic Crowe couldn't prevent our slide to Division 3 as it was but started the recovery.  Maybe Bruce is the modern day equivalent?  Without the slide to Division 3 obviously!

No. If Bruce gets us relegated to the third tier then there was literally no point in hiring him.

[Brend'Watkins]

Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now waxing lyrical about the Villa. Sounds like he's desperate for the job.

I hope he wants it passionately as some of that might rub off on the team.

[Tony Erdington]

Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now waxing lyrical about the Villa. Sounds like he's desperate for the job.

sounds like he's up for it

[Chico Hamilton III]

Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now

He's had his hair done

[saunders_heroes]

Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now

He's had his hair done

Looks like he's had a makeover in time for the Villa job.

[VinnieChase84]

Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now

Looks like he's had a makeover in time for the Villa job.

He's had his hair done

And lost a ton of timber. He looked prepped for an interview ✍🏻️

[Clampy]

Just caught the end of it. He did look well didn't he?

[Jimbo]

Monty, I do think RDM was poor and we were right to sack him when we did. But I still think there are some attitudes to sort out at Villa Park. Those players who don't look arsed, for a start. I doubt Bruce, or someone of his ilk, will stand for that.

I guess what frustrates me is the 'We're Villa, we'll be ok,' mentality. In many ways, especially when it comes to other teams' perceptions of us (weak-willed coasters living on past glories) that's precisely why we won't be ok.

[Monty]

Monty, I do think RDM was poor and we were right to sack him when we did. But I still think there are some attitudes to sort out at Villa Park. Those players who don't look arsed, for a start. I doubt Bruce, or someone of his ilk, will stand for that.

I guess what frustrates me is the 'We're Villa, we'll be ok,' mentality. In many ways, especially when it comes to other teams' perceptions of us (weak-willed coasters living on past glories) that's precisely why we won't be ok.

I agree with the latter attitude being frustrating. I just think we'll be okay because the players are obviously not relegation material unless something goes horribly horribly wrong - which, if anyone will do it, is very very us, but I still call it unlikely.

As for Bruce not putting up with coasters, isn't that exactly what he was accused of at Sunderland? Even when he does well he has players like Huddlestone at the centre of things, people not exactly known for their ultra-professionalism.

[Chris Jameson]

Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now waxing lyrical about the Villa. Sounds like he's desperate for the job.

Nope, can't spot anything negative about that.