Next Villa manager

[cdbearsfan]

It's all about right man, right time though isn't it?  We tried Garde at the wrong time and that was an unmitigated disaster.  Maybe Bielsa and those those types are for another day.  But right now, hard nosed, gritty, fighting spirit is what we need.  That at least is more or less guaranteed under Bruce.

Do Karanka, Howe and whoever it was that got Watford promoted fit that stereotype?

We should just appoint the best man available. We already tried to "gritty, fighting spirit" under Tactics Tim.

[Clampy]

Who do you suggest out of interest?

From a few pages back...

As for who. Dunno. There is a whole World out there, and we are one of the biggest and richest clubs in it. Dr Xia should be going all out to convince the right candidate that our current position is an aberration, and that he will provide the funding for us to compete at the highest level

Bielsa, Mancini, the Villa-supporting Italian bloke everyone was touting last time, Girard. If we have to go closer to home  (I don't see why we do, but still), then Brendan Rodgers would be a good shout.

Fair enough, although i'm not a massive fan of Rodgers and I don't know a great deal about Girard.

[kippaxvilla2]

Come on, Sherwood and Bruce are poles apart.  I agree it isn't very glamorous but it's reflective of our current status I'm afraid.  Some of the views expressed on here also probably prove why nowadays we are calling for managers heads after 10 games.  That is the risk with Bruce but so it would be with everyone else.

[ciggiesnbeer]

I dont think its deluded or arrogant to think a club of our stature can attract a manager who can win and play football that is entertaining.

[andyh]

I can see why other clubs perceive us as deluded and arrogant at times.  We've just been effectively told that the Bristol City and Huddersfield managers don't want to swap their current positions for 'big spending' Aston Villa.  Jesus we need to wake up to the fact that we're just not very good or stable at the minute.  Bruce is the steady type we need at the minute not Venglos type gambles.

Absolutely agree with this.
The real kick in the balls will be if we approach Bruce and he turns us down!

[themossman]

Manager discussions always get lost in arguments about types. I genuinely don't believe there are managers who are specifically good at promotion but bad at transfers etc. Just good and poor managers and I want the best one we can get, end of.

[kippaxvilla2]

It's all about right man, right time though isn't it?  We tried Garde at the wrong time and that was an unmitigated disaster.  Maybe Bielsa and those those types are for another day.  But right now, hard nosed, gritty, fighting spirit is what we need.  That at least is more or less guaranteed under Bruce.

Do Karanka, Howe and whoever it was that got Watford promoted fit that stereotype?

We should just appoint the best man available. We already tried to "gritty, fighting spirit" under Tactics Tim.

Much smaller clubs, much lower expectations, means managers are under the radar in terms of pressure, they are normally given time to build.  That doesn't happen here any more unfortunately largely due to the media pantomime we seem to have become.

[andyh]

I dont think its deluded or arrogant to think a club of our stature can attract a manager who can win and play football that is entertaining.

We couldnt attract one when we were a prem team.

[Monty]

Even Nigel Adkins would be better. He did really well at Southampton and was important in helping the club get restructured, instilling an identity in their playing style etc. As soon as they were up they moved him on, of course, but he got them up and not looking bad in the PL.

As for Bruce and Sherwood, they may be poles apart in some ways but they're both examples of that weird British habit of thinking that 'old-fashioned' is a legitimate way to be good in every circumstance. They don't really do fancy-bollocks modern stuff even though it wins everything, think tactics are overrated, believe in 'passion' and so on...I mean, these are the modern equivalents of those maniacs a hundred years ago who though that you shouldn't train with a ball during the week, so as to make the players 'hungrier' for it come matchday. I'm bored of being the club that gives these people a job.

[JUAN PABLO]

Vinnie Jones on TV now . Bruce is the only manager now for England and Crouch agreeing.

only saying...

[themossman]

Also Garde wasn't the right man at the wrong time. IMO he was a man who joined us when no manager on earth would have saved us from the shit. We had the wrong players and no money for new ones and he was stitched up and fatally undermined by Randy, who by that stage was hallucinating trees walking round his estate, John DuPont style.

[cdbearsfan]

It's all about right man, right time though isn't it?  We tried Garde at the wrong time and that was an unmitigated disaster.  Maybe Bielsa and those those types are for another day.  But right now, hard nosed, gritty, fighting spirit is what we need.  That at least is more or less guaranteed under Bruce.

Do Karanka, Howe and whoever it was that got Watford promoted fit that stereotype?

We should just appoint the best man available. We already tried to "gritty, fighting spirit" under Tactics Tim.

Much smaller clubs, much lower expectations, means managers are under the radar in terms of pressure, they are normally given time to build.  That doesn't happen here any more unfortunately largely due to the media pantomime we seem to have become.

Nor should managers be given time to build if they're shite. We aren't a Conference team planning on working our way up over the next decade.

"We are not talking about a mere business.
This is the Aston Villa Football Club,
and it deserves nothing but the best".

[kippaxvilla2]

I'm fairly convinced that if we hadn't of arsed about for a further seven days and got allardyce he would have kept us up or at least got us a lot more than a paltry 17 points.

[cdbearsfan]

I dont think its deluded or arrogant to think a club of our stature can attract a manager who can win and play football that is entertaining.

We couldnt attract one when we were a prem team.

We had a Chairman who had lost interest for much of that time. Now we have serious cash to spend and sit one promotion away from an Aladdin's Cave of wealth, inaccessible to 99.999% of the World's managers.

We are a very exciting and attracting option for the right manager if we show ambition and "sell" the club properly.

[Clampy]

It's all about right man, right time though isn't it?  We tried Garde at the wrong time and that was an unmitigated disaster.  Maybe Bielsa and those those types are for another day.  But right now, hard nosed, gritty, fighting spirit is what we need.  That at least is more or less guaranteed under Bruce.

Do Karanka, Howe and whoever it was that got Watford promoted fit that stereotype?

We should just appoint the best man available. We already tried to "gritty, fighting spirit" under Tactics Tim.

Much smaller clubs, much lower expectations, means managers are under the radar in terms of pressure, they are normally given time to build.  That doesn't happen here any more unfortunately largely due to the media pantomime we seem to have become.

Nor should managers be given time to build if they're shite. We aren't a Conference team planning on working our way up over the next decade.

"We are not talking about a mere business.
This is the Aston Villa Football Club, and it deserves nothing but the best".

So if Howe or Karanka came in and won 1 in 11, we'd give him time? I don't think so. That is Kippax's point I think.