Next Villa manager

[The_ads]

Bruce would be an even worse appointment than Mcliesh

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[Matt Collins]

I don't know why but I find the use of "end of" incredibly irritating!

[sickbeggar]

Only proven  record Bruce has is of bouncing between divisions and playing awful football


shefiield united = didn't get promotion
huddersfield = didn't get promotion
Palace = didn't get promotion
blose - promoted, relegated, promoted
wigan - premier
Sunderland - premier
Hull - promoted/relegated/promoted

[Des Little]

I don't know why but I find the use of "end of" incredibly irritating!

Me too, mainly because it's usually preceded by the words 'I'm not going out with you, Des'

[KevinGage]

If only Chamberlain had said 'End of' in Munich.

That whole thing could have turned out quite different.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Only proven  record Bruce has is of bouncing between divisions and playing awful football


shefiield united = didn't get promotion
huddersfield = didn't get promotion
Palace = didn't get promotion
blose - promoted, relegated, promoted
wigan - premier
Sunderland - premier
Hull - promoted/relegated/promoted

These are all clubs with limited resources. I would say at each of these clubs he either met or exceeded expectations. Look at where they are now, most are either worse or the same as when he was with them.

I'm not 100% convinced I want him. But I like how he comes across when I've heard him speak and he seems fairly effective at organising teams to get results under difficult circumstances.

[Pat McMahon]

I don't know why but I find the use of "end of" incredibly irritating!

Me too, mainly because it's usually preceded by the words 'I'm not going out with you, Des'

Made me laugh - cheers!

[sickbeggar]

Only proven  record Bruce has is of bouncing between divisions and playing awful football


shefiield united = didn't get promotion
huddersfield = didn't get promotion
Palace = didn't get promotion
blose - promoted, relegated, promoted
wigan - premier
Sunderland - premier
Hull - promoted/relegated/promoted

These are all clubs with limited resources. I would say at each of these clubs he either met or exceeded expectations. Look at where they are now, most are either worse or the same as when he was with them.

I'm not 100% convinced I want him. But I like how he comes across when I've heard him speak and he seems fairly effective at organising a team to get results under difficult circumstances.

that's the point really. If we want a manager who can get us up and then go down on limited resources and expectations he's probably spot on.  But we all know he wouldn't be here if villa got relegated after promotion because we're not blose or Hull

[Malandro]

I don't know why but I find the use of "end of" incredibly irritating!

It makes me want to punch their faces.

[kippaxvilla2]

I don't know why but I find the use of "end of" incredibly irritating!

It makes me want to punch their faces.

Period.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.

That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.

[paul_e]

What that list of clubs fails to account for is that every time he's spent any money he's made teams worse.  So whilst he might improve us over the next few months I'd be cautious about January and if that went ok and he got us promoted I'd be terrified about the job he'd do in the summer.  That's why I don't like the idea of "appoint him as a stop gap to get us promoted and then replace him".  We don't need that, we've been shit for years because we've flailed around without an identity for years.  Adding another 12-18months on to that transition period because we need a championship manager is just asking to extend the misery.  Find a good manager who is confident in his ability, tactically sound, will instill some discipline (which despite the comments on here isn't a trait that only exists in English managers who've been floating around the championship for years) and who will play the style of football that the club wants to follow.  If that manager can't get us playing his style consistently enough to get back up this season then I'll be gutted but so be it, the teams who've been promoted and stuck are the ones that followed a plan and stuck to it, the ones who just employ a manager and hope for the best all end up relegated again within a season or 2.

[pauliewalnuts]

What that list of clubs fails to account for is that every time he's spent any money he's made teams worse.  So whilst he might improve us over the next few months I'd be cautious about January and if that went ok and he got us promoted I'd be terrified about the job he'd do in the summer.  That's why I don't like the idea of "appoint him as a stop gap to get us promoted and then replace him".  We don't need that, we've been shit for years because we've flailed around without an identity for years.  Adding another 12-18months on to that transition period because we need a championship manager is just asking to extend the misery.  Find a good manager who is confident in his ability, tactically sound, will instill some discipline (which despite the comments on here isn't a trait that only exists in English managers who've been floating around the championship for years) and who will play the style of football that the club wants to follow.  If that manager can't get us playing his style consistently enough to get back up this season then I'll be gutted but so be it, the teams who've been promoted and stuck are the ones that followed a plan and stuck to it, the ones who just employ a manager and hope for the best all end up relegated again within a season or 2.

Basically Bruce would get us up, and we'd all be happy, then he'd spend 50m on the likes of Wes Brown, John O'Shea and Steven Fletcher, and we'd all be really annoyed.

[Sexual Ealing]

What that list of clubs fails to account for is that every time he's spent any money he's made teams worse.  So whilst he might improve us over the next few months I'd be cautious about January and if that went ok and he got us promoted I'd be terrified about the job he'd do in the summer.  That's why I don't like the idea of "appoint him as a stop gap to get us promoted and then replace him".  We don't need that, we've been shit for years because we've flailed around without an identity for years.  Adding another 12-18months on to that transition period because we need a championship manager is just asking to extend the misery.  Find a good manager who is confident in his ability, tactically sound, will instill some discipline (which despite the comments on here isn't a trait that only exists in English managers who've been floating around the championship for years) and who will play the style of football that the club wants to follow.  If that manager can't get us playing his style consistently enough to get back up this season then I'll be gutted but so be it, the teams who've been promoted and stuck are the ones that followed a plan and stuck to it, the ones who just employ a manager and hope for the best all end up relegated again within a season or 2.

Exactly. On the rare occasions that we've gone down over the last 40-or-so years, we come back up and actually DO SOMETHING afterwards. We ought never be grateful for just surviving and then fucking back off.

[SoccerHQ]

Only proven  record Bruce has is of bouncing between divisions and playing awful football


shefiield united = didn't get promotion
huddersfield = didn't get promotion
Palace = didn't get promotion
blose - promoted, relegated, promoted
wigan - premier
Sunderland - premier
Hull - promoted/relegated/promoted

Sheffield United- First job in management.

Huddersfield- No real idea of how he did there tbh.

Palace- Did brilliantly, were leading the division when he left them in December to go to...

SHA- Well yes a relegation but he got them up after what 20 years and kept them up for 4 seasons before he signed too many egos.

Wigan- They finished 8th I think and he signed some pretty good players that Wigan made profits on.

Sunderland- His one poor job in management I think. Even then Sunderland actually had a very good first half of the season in 10/11 but it all fell apart when they sold Bent to us and also lost Welbeck and Gyan shortly afterwards and his striker recruitment was very poor.

Hull- Two promotions and a relegation.

Any manager who's been in the game for a while will have stuff like that on their CV. I think in the state we're in people are criticising him for the sake of it as he's Guardiola level in the championship.

Criticising him in the prem is more arguable although let's get back there first.