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[not3bad]

So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street?  FFS.  It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison.  If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it.  But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's.  Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street.  Maybe you do.  Shall we leave it there?

It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.

But what;s the starting point to these prevailing attitudes? Playground, television, family, cultural experience? And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.

In my experience, most women like to be found attractive. They don't like be sworn or aggressively shouted at.

Have you tried all those approaches then?

I've worked in a pub so I've definitely seen all those approaches tried.

[murfee]

Another thread ruined

[damon loves JT]

If Chelsea really did cough up five million then she must have had a very strong case. That's all. No need to make her the villain here.

A bit like MON, then?

That thought entered my head too

I'm sure he did have a strong case. Doesn't mean I have to like him.

[Chris Jameson]

Another thread ruined

Don't be so harsh on yourself.

[LeeB]

Another thread ruined

Don't be so harsh on yourself.

It was the 208th time it's happened though.

[brian green]

Take heart murfee.  What I always say is not every willow can become Geoffrey Boycott's bat.

[Chris Jameson]

Another thread ruined

Don't be so harsh on yourself.

It was the 208th time it's happened though.

Impressive 100% record.

[peter w]

If Chelsea really did cough up five million then she must have had a very strong case. That's all. No need to make her the villain here.

A bit like MON, then?

That thought entered my head too

I'm sure he did have a strong case. Doesn't mean I have to like him.

Nor I. Nor do I have to like the money grabbing Caneiro.

[TB]

Nor I. Nor do I have to like the money grabbing Caneiro.

It's Carneiro 

And as for the money-grabbing bit?

Well, IMO, when a player is down injured and the club doctor is told by the ref to attend to him (I hardly think any club doc could/would refuse in that particular scenario), being insulted by the manager (called a daughter of a whore) and later on told by the same manager via the media that she needs to 'understand the game' and subsequently being demoted from her job is a quite astonishing turns of events. I'd say she is entitled to every penny she was offered in a settlement.

[Diablo]

Does anyone know when this new management team start work?

[Chris Jameson]

I don't think she's money grabbing at all, she's been treated appallingly by her employer. Fair play to her, she was doing her job properly and the arrogant arsehole of a manager ridiculed and belittled her very publically, the only pity is that there is obviously some sort of confidentiality clause.

[Risso]

So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street?  FFS.  It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison.  If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it.  But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's.  Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street.  Maybe you do.  Shall we leave it there?

It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.

But what;s the starting point to these prevailing attitudes? Playground, television, family, cultural experience? And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.

In my experience, most women like to be found attractive. They don't like be sworn or aggressively shouted at.

Jesus H Christ...*wide eyed fella*

In my experience most women are happier to be met with and dealt according to their abilities as a person rather than their physical features. Still, you're a judge for Miss World so I should let you off...

I didn't mean in a workplace situation.  I'm possibly not explaining this very well, but generally I think women don't mind a "Had your hair cut? It suits you." type of comment, but understandably get a bit upset by being leered out from a building site. 

[Percy McCarthy]

So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street?  FFS.  It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison.  If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it.  But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's.  Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street.  Maybe you do.  Shall we leave it there?

It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.

But what;s the starting point to these prevailing attitudes? Playground, television, family, cultural experience? And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.

In my experience, most women like to be found attractive. They don't like be sworn or aggressively shouted at.

Jesus H Christ...*wide eyed fella*

In my experience most women are happier to be met with and dealt according to their abilities as a person rather than their physical features. Still, you're a judge for Miss World so I should let you off...

I didn't mean in a workplace situation.  I'm possibly not explaining this very well, but generally I think women don't mind a "Had your hair cut? It suits you." type of comment, but understandably get a bit upset by being leered out from a building site.

Thank you very much, Germaine Greer.

[peter w]

He just doesn't know when to stop, does he?

[LeeB]

Where do I stand on asking a colleague if they'd "like to get on my groovy train"?