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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 02, 2016, 02:06:37 PM
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I think our new manager deserves his own thread!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36435484
Former Chelsea manager Roberto di Matteo has been appointed the new manager of Aston Villa.
The Italian succeeds Remi Garde, who was sacked in March before the club's relegation from the Premier League.
Di Matteo, who won the Champions League with Chelsea in 2012, will be assisted by former Blues team-mate Steve Clarke.
Villa were also linked with ex-Manchester United boss David Moyes and new Derby County manager Nigel Pearson, but Di Matteo was always first choice.
Dr Tony Xia, the Chinese businessman whose takeover of Villa is awaiting Football League and Premier League approval, is convinced Di Matteo will raise the West Midlands club's profile in the Championship.
The former West Brom and Schalke boss and Clarke, 52, have been out of management since last year.
The pair have never worked together in management but were Chelsea team-mates for two years.
Clarke will take hands-on responsibility for Villa's group of underachieving players.
The Scot has excellent contacts and recent experience in the Championship, having managed Reading until he was sacked last December.
Thanks to his time at Newcastle United and Liverpool, he also has an excellent reputation as a first-team coach and worked as an assistant to Jose Mourinho at Chelsea for three years.
As a head coach, Clarke, a former Scotland international, guided West Brom to their highest Premier League position of eighth in 2013.
Di Matteo has not managed at Championship level since 2009-10, when he guided West Brom to an immediate return to the top flight.
Since 2011, the former midfielder, who won 34 caps for Italy, has been sacked by the Baggies, Chelsea and Schalke, leaving the Bundesliga side in May 2015 after failing to qualify for the Champions League.
The first task for Di Matteo and Clarke will be to eliminate underperforming players on long contracts, while bringing in players suited to the physical challenges of the Championship.
New owner Xia has already promised extensive funds for player recruitment.
By the way, you owe us an FA Cup!
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How can BBC get the scoop even before it's on the official Villa site?
Anyway, happy with that. Big, big summer ahead.
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Benvenuto Roberto!
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The Steve Clarke appointment is interesting and very welcome.
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Also another Clarke with an "e"!
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I feel like the raggies are going to have a field day with this. I'm not disappointed, I welcome RDM but Clarke came out of no where.
Hopefully they find success, and fast.
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How can BBC get the scoop even before it's on the official Villa site?
They're on a tea break.
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How can BBC get the scoop even before it's on the official Villa site?
Anyway, happy with that. Big, big summer ahead.
The website bod is having his dinner.
A step in the right direction I think. They appear to have good reputation in the gams so I don't think we will see too many players taking the piss with them in charge.
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How can BBC get the scoop even before it's on the official Villa site?
Anyway, happy with that. Big, big summer ahead.
Maybe the pair set off to go to Bodymoor Heath for the official unveiling and forgot they are now Villa and they rocked up at the Tesco's training ground instead.
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The Steve Clarke appointment is interesting and very welcome.
Whilst I'm pleased we've got Di Matteo getting Steve Clarke in assistant is a real bonus. Onwards and upwards, we're on our way back!
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Welcome. The last manager who look over a relegated Villa left three seasons later a legend. That's the yardstick by which you'll be measured. Good luck!
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Great news! Welcome Roberto and Steve! Up The Villa!
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Steve Clarke eh? That doesn't seem like a bad move at all!
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Be good to get Eddie Newton on board too as I understand he is a very good fitness coach
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Pretty impressed with getting Steve Clarke in as number 2.
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Clarke knows Scott Sinclair had him at wba so be interesting what he can do there as he didnt achieve much at the baggies. Maybe we'll move for Robson -Kanu (that's one player) of reading too a Welsh attacker
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Steve Clarke eh? That doesn't seem like a bad move at all!
Steve Clarke is an excellent move.
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Great news - really pleased getting Clarke too.
Onwards and Upwards!
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Going to be interesting to see the dynamic between Di Matteo and Clarke as Clarke has moved from being manager to coach to a younger manager.
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Great stuff by Dr Tony and its been in the news for days of not weeks rdm was coming . Softly softly catchy monkey is Tony way of things and once he's installed I think it will be only way is up motto hahaha
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Still nothing on the OS!
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Coming with Sheikh of the Musles according to Meaning Evil. Sounds like another interesting character to knock the bastards into shape
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I feel like the raggies are going to have a field day with this. I'm not disappointed, I welcome RDM but Clarke came out of no where.
Hopefully they find success, and fast.
Who gives a flying what they think?
They'll be crying into their pigs trotter cobs by Christmas 2017, especially if Peace doesn't get Pulis' replacement right.
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That's a solid pairing with good experience between them. Lots to prove and what looks like the backing to deal with the malcontents. Dr Tone waiting in the wings and hopefully some finance to make a difference. Feeling like a new dawn is arriving.
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reasons to be cheerful part 2
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Only speculation but you would think / hope that both would only commit if they
a/ Knew the takeover was close to being completed
b/ Saw the proposals for the future of the club with investment
c/ Would be supported with transfer funds
d/ Able to terminate contracts if they feel certain players will not conform (wishful thinking this bit)
As a few have said if we had survived last year this would have been a decent pairing - to get them in the Championship is a real coup
Well done Dr Tony
And welcome to the Villa boys
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I feel like the raggies are going to have a field day with this. I'm not disappointed, I welcome RDM but Clarke came out of no where.
Hopefully they find success, and fast.
Who gives a flying what they think?
They'll be crying into their pigs trotter cobs by Christmas 2017, especially if Peace doesn't get Pulis' replacement right.
It will be quite amusing when we go up in May and they are relegated.
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Nothing reported on sky yet ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Getting Clarke & Newton is quite a coup if true, well done Villa.
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Nowt on OS yet or Sky.........could the beeb be jumping the gun ? I hope not
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BBC Sport article also states 'Di Matteo was always first choice' - as someone on here said the other day, could this have been the reason Moyes pulled out? Tried to save a bit of face.
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Be good to get Eddie Newton on board too as I understand he is a very good fitness coach
RDM going for Marchesi apparently. Former Milan fitness coach known as "King of the Muscles"!
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The excellent Jim white sky sports announced on his Twitter a wee while before it was any where hes always reliable on manager and transfer rumours as he's itk. Old school journo and in with current lot of football family
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My scepticism over appointing Di Matteo is tempered by bring Clarke in too. That looks quite a strong set up.
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My scepticism over appointing Di Matteo is tempered by bring Clarke in too. That looks quite a strong set up.
Yep I'd agree with that LeeB.
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I would prefer that we had this guy as the fitness coach - could you imagine the wankers faces when he turned up ;D
Lives in Minworth as well
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3307230/Weedy-teenager-grew-6ft-8in-23-stone-GIANT-eats-hour-deadlift-Britain-s-fattest-woman.html
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If it wasn't confirmed, I'm sure Pat Murphy would merely "understand" it rather than straight out saying it has happened.
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Just remembered that I did the opening post for Tim Sherwood's appointment.
I've cursed RDM and Clarke already...
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Just remembered that I did the opening post for Tim Sherwood's appointment.
I've cursed RDM and Clarke already...
It's OK, I don't think those two are self absorbed, know nothing, useless twats.
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Welcome Roberto and also an excellent No. 2. Sounds promising.
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Still nothing on
Pravda Xinhua or SkySports website
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Welcome Roberto and also an excellent No. 2.
Yuck. Is that what's slowing down the official announcement?
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Sky saying deal isn't yet official
Colley saying still in negotiations but will be announced tomorrow
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Welcome Roberto and also an excellent No. 2.
Yuck. Is that what's slowing down the official announcement?
Ha ha maybe
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Probably the first manager/coach team since Houllier/GMac who are not completely winging it at a club like Villa.
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Di matte-ooooo
Di matte-OOOO
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Di Matteo Di Matteo
Di. Matteo.
Di Matteo Di Matteo
Di. Matteo.
Di Matteo Di Matteo.
Wooooah! Di Matteo.
To the tune of "Rock Me Trevor Fisher" by Mark Falco.
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The Steve Clarke appointment is interesting and very welcome.
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Absoloutely
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The excellent Jim white sky sports announced on his Twitter a wee while before it was any where hes always reliable on manager and transfer rumours as he's itk. Old school journo and in with current lot of football family
You are the first person to put excellent and Jim White together.
Well done, another first.
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just spoke to my brother in law who is a albion fan says both are decent in their own right ...........BUT with di matteo he had a very bad reputation as being bone idle and left everything to his no2 with newton . thats where clarke comes in done well at albion finished 8th on the back of hodgsons team
The only thing they have in common he said as soon as they got in a hole with results they was clueless getting it turned round lets just see what happens .
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I like Steve Clarke
Welcome lads i'm not unhappy at all
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I think Di Matteo on his own his a pretty decent appointment. I think alongside Clarke, that makes it a bloody good appointment. I'm happy with that. Much preferred to getting Pearson, who whilst he'd have sorted the dressing room out, is too much of a tosspot and wouldn't have lasted longer than 18 months.
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I do feel relieved we didn't go for Pearson in the end, although I'm still wary of him potentially doing a good job at Derby.
It's like when you decide not to go out with a girl, but then watch with interest when she gets with someone else, questioning whether you made the right decision.
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I do feel relieved we didn't go for Pearson in the end, although I'm still wary of him potentially doing a good job at Derby.
It's like when you decide not to go out with a girl, but then watch with interest when she gets with someone else, questioning whether you made the right decision.
But then you take comfort in the knowledge that the other guy is the one getting toothy blowjobs and verbal abuse.
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Perhaps that conversation my son had with Vialli about it all being done and dusted a long time ago was not so far from the truth. Welcome RDM and your team, especially Steve Clarke. If Eric Black phones, don't take the call.
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Perhaps that conversation my son had with Vialli about it all being done and dusted a long time ago was not so far from the truth. Welcome RDM and your team, especially Steve Clarke. If Eric Black phones, don't take the call.
'Ma non comprendo...why do you keep telling me to play Lauren Bacall ahead of Traore?'
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Have they fucked Agbonlahor off to Chasetown yet?
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Probably the best we could've hoped for I reckon.
Speaking to a WBA fan the other day who said they played really attacking football when he got them promoted from the Championship. The anti-Pulis.
I'm happy with this.
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How can BBC get the scoop even before it's on the official Villa site?
Anyway, happy with that. Big, big summer ahead.
They got laid off I think
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RDM on his tod= meh. But for some reason, add in Clarke and I like it, a lot.
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Let's hope the deal goes through and they stick around
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I'm bloody happy with that. Always liked Clarke as a number two, he was successful.
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I'm bloody happy with that. Always liked Clarke as a number two, he was successful.
Mourinho seemed to trust him, and you can say a lot against Jose but he is a massive perfectionist and detail-freak when it comes to training, Clarke's primary responsibility, so that's good.
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Oh Dear Gabby! Be afraid - be VERY afraid!
http://www.maxmarchesi.com/
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Pretty impressed with this, both the number 1 and number 2.
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Oh Dear Gabby! Be afraid - be VERY afraid!
http://www.maxmarchesi.com/
maybe Gabby will use the summer break to knuckle down and get himself super fit so when they all return everyone is bowled over by his professionalism and new lean and mean look
then again maybe not
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For the position we're in, it really does look like the best option. I like RDM, and Clarke as number 2 looks very strong. That'll be the best managerial team we've had in quite some time I reckon. He just needs backing now.
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Oh Dear Gabby! Be afraid - be VERY afraid!
http://www.maxmarchesi.com/
Probably best if you move on Gabby.....before he arrives!
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Happy that Clarke is in, he is a highly rated coach with Championship experience.
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For the position we're in, it really does look like the best option. I like RDM, and Clarke as number 2 looks very strong. That'll be the best managerial team we've had in quite some time I reckon. He just needs backing now.
have to say I agree
considering where we are and the shape we are in, I think its looks positive especially with the Clarke bit, its like a two for one offer that you cant refuse
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For the position we're in, it really does look like the best option. I like RDM, and Clarke as number 2 looks very strong. That'll be the best managerial team we've had in quite some time I reckon. He just needs backing now.
You have to say, even in spite of Randy, this management team might have stood a much better chance of keeping us in the league than some of the others we've had.
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Getting both RDM & Steve Clarke in is a good move.
As previously mentioned,we just need the takeover to go through smoothly & for the management team to be given the financial backing to build a team in the way they see fit.
Fingers crossed!
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Will be officially confirmed tomorrow according to the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/02/aston-villa-roberto-di-matteo-new-manager?
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Looking forward to seeing "welcome Roberto De Mattio" on the official site.
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Welcome to Villa!
Wonder if they would of saved us if they were appointed instead of Garde?
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The excellent Jim white sky sports announced on his Twitter a wee while before it was any where hes always reliable on manager and transfer rumours as he's itk. Old school journo and in with current lot of football family
Have Sky got two people called Jim White? I only know of the excitable idiot who works himself into a frenzy on transfer deadline day.
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Tony Xia can start on his "Dougisms" now:
1. "He was always my first choice"
Once he's got that one out of the way he start practicing with "He's like a son to me".
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My one concern was that Di Matteo doesn't know the championship and by that I mean a good knowledge already of our opponents strengths and weakness'. Clarke will be the man for that so this on the face of it appears to be a good team in the making.
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Welcome to Villa!
Wonder if they would of saved us if they were appointed instead of Garde?
They couldn't have done much worse.
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Similar to everyone else, I'm chuffed with Steve Clarke as number 2. Very solid appointment.
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This pair could be our light at the end of the tunnel.
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Similar to everyone else, I'm chuffed with Steve Clarke as number 2. Very solid appointment.
I like a solid number 2 /peen
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I can't get through a day comfortably without a number two
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Clarke in as number two looks a good move to me. Highly regarded coach and very recent experience of that league. Impressed. Now let the last buggers spend some money.
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Lerner gone - TICK
New Manager in - TICK
Pending - Flabby, 'Guzman', Richards, Richardson, Hutton, Lescock, Okore, Westwood, Big-cahuna, Clark, Cissoko, shitscrapeZog, to all F*** off and the biggest tick of all.
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How can BBC get the scoop even before it's on the official Villa site?
Anyway, happy with that. Big, big summer ahead.
They are probably understaffed!
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Welcome to Villa!
Wonder if they would of saved us if they were appointed instead of Garde?
No, because they would have come in under Fox and a massively split dressing room, been promised certain backing that the club then reneged on and then abandoned to answer non footballing questions by the upper executives. Also DiMatteo wouldn't have been able to get Clarke in and would have been left with having Black forced onto him when neither party was then invested in doing there damedest in keeping us up.
The new beliefs at the top should now filter down and needs to be followed up with planned player management and requirements as soon as possible. Unfortunately Euro 2016 will probably delay some of the businees we need to do whilst everyone sees if there are any potential standouts available cheaply.
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Welcome to Roberto and Steve. We wish you every success in the world.
I like the look of this pairing.
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I think this is great news. Let's hope Tone gives them some Doubloons.
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some of the press reporting this will be confirmed tomorrow - I thought it was already!
I hope it does happen as reported. I think RDM with Clarke as his number 2 could... could work brilliantly. I can see their different styles and experience really complementing each other. Clarke has always done well as a number 2. And RDM could be great with that kind of support.... fingers crossed there are no ts still to be crossed!
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Are they actually confirmed? I haven't seen anything on the OS.
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I like this. A lot.
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No photos of them angrily stretching the shirt while on the pitch yet ... so not confirmed.
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Welcome guys superb appointments
I feel like Homer Simpson does when he gets hands on a duff beer and blueberry pie
Woohoo
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Welcome Di Matteo.
Not my first choice, but we'll get behind you as long as you give us hope.
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I'm really happy with this, RDM has generally seemed to get his teams looking to attack and score goals, Clarke has done really well as assistant and has loads of experience as well. Add Marchesi who has a superb reputation as a fitness coach and we're a long way towards getting that bit right, another coach or 2 (Newton would be excellent) and a GK coach and we'll be set.
As a whole it shows a lot more ambition than going for someone like Pearson and for me is a good sign that we're moving in the right direction.
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The Steve Clarke appointment is interesting and very welcome.
This is the really important bit for me: a bloke recognised as a top coach by those who've worked with him, going back to what he does best - coach.
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Welcome to Villa!
Wonder if they would of saved us if they were appointed instead of Garde?
We wouldn't have had the £££ for them to spend, and would they have wanted to have joined a 'Lerner project'?
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What also pleases me greatly is that that package has not come cheap. A good sign that serious money will be spent.
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The Steve Clarke appointment is interesting and very welcome.
This is the really important bit for me: a bloke recognised as a top coach by those who've worked with him, going back to what he does best - coach.
Same here. Credit to RDM for inviting him and respect to Clarke for taking the job.
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What also pleases me greatly is that that package has not come cheap. A good sign that serious money will be spent.
Agreed.
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Agree with Brian, the two of these guys together are proven. I imagine Clarke as the man who works with the squad day to day at the training ground whilst RDM will oversee everything and select the squad for the match days. May be wrong on that of course.
Clarke comes across as a no nonsense sort of bloke so hope he makes sure the dross that we have in the squad are cleared out sooner rather than later.
Feel ever so slightly happy and relieved we have appointed these two to be honest.
Welcome
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What is so good is even if Roberto struggles then he has a proper back up team to support him. Can't see the players taking the michael with Clarke.
Welcome to the Villa all of you.
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Yep, think Clarke will be the one who has the influence of what happens in the dressing rooms at BH and will principally be the main man on the training pitch, allowing RDM to review tactics etc.
Now it just needs the boardroom to be inhabited by people with the same credentials. I would not be averse to seeing Bernstein and King returning.
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Understand Eddie Newton will not be joining @AVFCOfficial and that Clarke was Di Matteo's choice,not foisted on him. Wise. Hard worker.
Pat Murphy just tweeted
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Happy with this especially Clark as his assistant. Let the hard work begin
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I like this. A lot.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Jlt69Ka6SwtH2/giphy.gif)
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RDM'S Claret and Blue army
admit it, its got a certain Ring to it.
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Wasn't keen at first to be honest mainly because of what happened at the baggies near the end but once i sat down and really looked at his record i've warmed to him. Sounds very much like they mean business as far as the slackers are concerned. For the first time since Houllier left a few of them may be a bit worried tonight
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From memory this is the first time since O'Neill that our new manager has come complete with a credible number two, and the first time since Brian that they've been any good.
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Happy with this especially Clark as his assistant. Let the hard work begin
Clarke!!! Here we go again!
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Don't think some are going to be able to cope with Clarke and Clark(e) at the club next season.
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That's assuming Clark's here next season. It might make things less annoying if we sell him now.
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I assume this means Black is off 👏🏻
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I assume this means Black is off 👏🏻
Yes I'm gonna miss his infectious positivity and witty repartee.
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I assume this means Black is off 👏🏻
Yes I'm gonna miss his infectious positivity and witty repartee.
Agreed, and how will we cope with the loss of all that experience, 37 years and counting?
There will be no shortage of clubs queuing up for his services.
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I assume this means Black is off 👏🏻
Black is soooooo last season.
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I assume this means Black is off 👏🏻
Yes I'm gonna miss his infectious positivity and witty repartee.
Agreed, and how will we cope with the loss of all that experience, 37 years and counting?
There will be no shortage of clubs queuing up for his services.
Yes I've heard the Dog & Duck are after a new manager.
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I assume this means Black is off 👏🏻
Yes I'm gonna miss his infectious positivity and witty repartee.
Agreed, and how will we cope with the loss of all that experience, 37 years and counting?
There will be no shortage of clubs queuing up for his services.
Yes I've heard the Dog & Duck are after a new manager.
They can do better
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They would be barking mad to employ Black. Utterly quackers.
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I've been very critical of the guy because I think he was in a total no lose situation.
I don't think anybody on here would have criticised him if he'd mixed things up a bit.
Because he never ever tried anything different he won't be remembered for anything he did for us.
Sure he's a real nice guy though.
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Welcome to the Villa Robbie & Steve btw.
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Black took a job that no-one else wanted and with no chance of it turning out to his advantage. For that he has my respect
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RDM on his own is okay. Add Clarke and it's a very solid bit of work.
The BBC article stated that Clarke will take charge of the players on a day to day basis. Anyone else think it was odd to highlight this when RDM is the manager?
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Black took a job that no-one else wanted and with no chance of it turning out to his advantage. For that he has my respect
Well, as far as I'm concerned he could have:
a) Turned it down.
b) accepted it with a view to honing his managerial skills.
c) Most importantly of all as far as I'm concerned. Tried to mix things up by changing tactics, introducing young and promising players thereby proving to supporters that he was aware that for some, the money they had paid to watch his shit could have been better spent elsewhere.
For that, he can fuck off, and when he gets there...
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Welcome gentlemen.
I hope you are both wonderfully successful in your new posts!
UTV!
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The Steve Clarke appointment is interesting and very welcome.
Whilst I'm pleased we've got Di Matteo getting Steve Clarke in assistant is a real bonus. Onwards and upwards, we're on our way back!
Yeah looks a good partnership to me as well
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It was not supposed to be to his advantage. His duty was to the club not himself.
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Didn't RDM have a reputation at Albion of not being on the training ground? Same applied to MON and Lambert (except when the latter's staff were sacked of course).
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How can BBC get the scoop even before it's on the official Villa site?
They're on a tea break.
Because Jack WOODWARD also left AVFC today so reporting of this non existent too!?
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They would be barking mad to employ Black. Utterly quackers.
Yes, definitely not any kind of bird dog (UK or US). Don't even think he'd be able to pick up the bill.
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Black took a job that no-one else wanted and with no chance of it turning out to his advantage. For that he has my respect
Well, as far as I'm concerned he could have:
a) Turned it down.
b) accepted it with a view to honing his managerial skills.
c) Most importantly of all as far as I'm concerned. Tried to mix things up by changing tactics, introducing young and promising players thereby proving to supporters that he was aware that for some, the money they had paid to watch his shit could have been better spent elsewhere.
For that, he can fuck off, and when he gets there...
This is a pointless argument now, but if you think a caretaker manager with NO authority at all could come in and do something that the proper managers in sherwood and garde couldn't manage then i think you had very very high expectations of him. At the very least he at least mixed it with some of the ego's in the squad which is more than the preceding two guys did.
Like i said no-one wanted the poisoned chalice of the inevitable relegation, or not on what they were paying Black. If you know a whole host of managers or coaches who fancied managing that dressing room for the countdown to relegation then name them...
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And as I said, he could have turned it down.
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And as I said, he could have turned it down.
yeah and that would have left us where? Lerner in his tracksuit?
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I think he got paid to do a job and didn't do it all that well. There were some things he did that I liked, like telling Gabby to feck off, but sending out such meek teams for no reason was disappointing to say the least.
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How can BBC get the scoop even before it's on the official Villa site?
They're on a tea break.
Because Jack WOODWARD also left AVFC today so reporting of this non existent too!?
I'm sorry jack has left. I know he was sometimes amateurish but he was always positive and one of us.
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And as I said, he could have turned it down.
yeah and that would have left us where? Lerner in his tracksuit?
There would have been no difference in playing style, might even have been an improvement. This is turning into a puerile argument. You think he couldn't have done anything better, I think he's a prick! Best leave it at that.
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How can BBC get the scoop even before it's on the official Villa site?
They're on a tea break.
Because Jack WOODWARD also left AVFC today so reporting of this non existent too!?
I'm sorry jack has left. I know he was sometimes amateurish but he was always positive and one of us.
You know it's a good day for the Villa when on H&V you start reading warm, kind messages about young Jack Woodward.
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And as I said, he could have turned it down.
yeah and that would have left us where? Lerner in his tracksuit?
There would have been no difference in playing style, might even have been an improvement. This is turning into a puerile argument. You think he couldn't have done anything better, I think he's a prick! Best leave it at that.
I think given the authority he could have done things differently but that wasn't his job. His job was to steer the sinking ship onto the rocks with the least casualties possible because the crew had mutinied and the last 2 captains are sailing away in a lifeboat. We've had months of people on here saying this or that player is poison, and yet Black was supposed to stick kids into that dressing room.?Or maybe he was supposed to banish all the senior players to the reserves? Again use your common. sense. If he'd dumped say bacuna into the reserves for being shit, then this time tonight he's out because like it or not RDM will make his own decisions on the players. So banishing "insert hate figure here" to the reserves would be pointless and he and the players knew it. Give him credit for at least calling some of the wasters out.
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Black took a job that no-one else wanted and with no chance of it turning out to his advantage. For that he has my respect
Well, as far as I'm concerned he could have:
a) Turned it down.
b) accepted it with a view to honing his managerial skills.
c) Most importantly of all as far as I'm concerned. Tried to mix things up by changing tactics, introducing young and promising players thereby proving to supporters that he was aware that for some, the money they had paid to watch his shit could have been better spent elsewhere.
For that, he can fuck off, and when he gets there...
Agreed.
How does Kevin Toner feel about being given a shot at the first team? About 20 feet tall I'd guess. But bizarrely he was the only one tried because week after week Black went mind numbingly negative in his team selections.
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The worst thing about that being that the normal situation with bringing kids in means you give the more attacking ones more time because their energy and enthusiasm can make up for inexperience and yet he pretty much refused. 2-3 times he gave a young attacker a few minutes and they looked positive, then the next game he ignored them on the bench. It was just bizarre.
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They would be barking mad to employ Black. Utterly quackers.
They probably wouldn't winalot. Sorry.
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The worst thing about that being that the normal situation with bringing kids in means you give the more attacking ones more time because their energy and enthusiasm can make up for inexperience and yet he pretty much refused. 2-3 times he gave a young attacker a few minutes and they looked positive, then the next game he ignored them on the bench. It was just bizarre.
I'd say the worst part was either the outright lies that he told or the disdain that he had for the careers of Toner and Lyden.
He said that the reason he couldn't play the younger players was the atmosphere from the crowd and the risk that it posed for a young player. And then played the above two anyway.
So either he didn't think the crowd was that poisonous after all and he was just making a shit excuse for his own terrible team selections, or he genuinely did think that and threw those two players to the wolves regardless.
I'm obviously certain that it's the first of those two choices, but either way he's an arsehole who we are well rid of.
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The worst thing about that being that the normal situation with bringing kids in means you give the more attacking ones more time because their energy and enthusiasm can make up for inexperience and yet he pretty much refused. 2-3 times he gave a young attacker a few minutes and they looked positive, then the next game he ignored them on the bench. It was just bizarre.
bizarre in what way? fuck me if we'd had a long tradition of introducing young promising players in garde/Sherwoods/Lambert/etc time i could understand it. Apart from Cahill who was good straight away and sold on pubeheads "i'm never wrong" philosophy its hardly been one star after another coming off the production line. Even Albrighton who went onto better things was absolute shite for ages even though some of us were hoping he'd regain his old form. Why is there suddenly loads of ace young players apparently coming through when we're complete bobbins? A curse on him if Black was stopping a group of superstars from getting their chance to shine but i doubt it
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The worst thing about that being that the normal situation with bringing kids in means you give the more attacking ones more time because their energy and enthusiasm can make up for inexperience and yet he pretty much refused. 2-3 times he gave a young attacker a few minutes and they looked positive, then the next game he ignored them on the bench. It was just bizarre.
bizarre in what way? fuck me if we'd had a long tradition of introducing young promising players in garde/Sherwoods/Lambert/etc time i could understand it. Apart from Cahill who was good straight away and sold on pubeheads "i'm never wrong" philosophy its hardly been one star after another coming off the production line. Even Albrighton who went onto better things was absolute shite for ages even though some of us were hoping he'd regain his old form. Why is there suddenly loads of ace young players apparently coming through when we're complete bobbins? A curse on him if Black was stopping a group of superstars from getting their chance to shine but i doubt it
1st Team careers have to start at some time and the step change from U21 to 1st Team is an important part of a player's development. You will never find out if a player can make it if you do not give him that chance.
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Managers don't always take training do they?
Was Woodward laid off?
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The worst thing about that being that the normal situation with bringing kids in means you give the more attacking ones more time because their energy and enthusiasm can make up for inexperience and yet he pretty much refused. 2-3 times he gave a young attacker a few minutes and they looked positive, then the next game he ignored them on the bench. It was just bizarre.
bizarre in what way? fuck me if we'd had a long tradition of introducing young promising players in garde/Sherwoods/Lambert/etc time i could understand it. Apart from Cahill who was good straight away and sold on pubeheads "i'm never wrong" philosophy its hardly been one star after another coming off the production line. Even Albrighton who went onto better things was absolute shite for ages even though some of us were hoping he'd regain his old form. Why is there suddenly loads of ace young players apparently coming through when we're complete bobbins? A curse on him if Black was stopping a group of superstars from getting their chance to shine but i doubt it
1st Team careers have to start at some time and the step change from U21 to 1st Team is an important part of a player's development. You will never find out if a player can make it if you do not give him that chance.
true but i've never heard this accusation aimed at garde/sherwood/lambert/etc.. . No-one complained that they were doing fuck all to bring young players through in fact, this time last season a lot were happy we were buying them from abroad from Barcelona and the likes
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The worst thing about that being that the normal situation with bringing kids in means you give the more attacking ones more time because their energy and enthusiasm can make up for inexperience and yet he pretty much refused. 2-3 times he gave a young attacker a few minutes and they looked positive, then the next game he ignored them on the bench. It was just bizarre.
bizarre in what way? fuck me if we'd had a long tradition of introducing young promising players in garde/Sherwoods/Lambert/etc time i could understand it. Apart from Cahill who was good straight away and sold on pubeheads "i'm never wrong" philosophy its hardly been one star after another coming off the production line. Even Albrighton who went onto better things was absolute shite for ages even though some of us were hoping he'd regain his old form. Why is there suddenly loads of ace young players apparently coming through when we're complete bobbins? A curse on him if Black was stopping a group of superstars from getting their chance to shine but i doubt it
1st Team careers have to start at some time and the step change from U21 to 1st Team is an important part of a player's development. You will never find out if a player can make it if you do not give him that chance.
and there are very few genuinely 'free' games where there is no pressure on the team. We had 4-5 of them and Black refused give anyone a chance other than the 2 that he was largely forced to by injuries.
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The worst thing about that being that the normal situation with bringing kids in means you give the more attacking ones more time because their energy and enthusiasm can make up for inexperience and yet he pretty much refused. 2-3 times he gave a young attacker a few minutes and they looked positive, then the next game he ignored them on the bench. It was just bizarre.
bizarre in what way? fuck me if we'd had a long tradition of introducing young promising players in garde/Sherwoods/Lambert/etc time i could understand it. Apart from Cahill who was good straight away and sold on pubeheads "i'm never wrong" philosophy its hardly been one star after another coming off the production line. Even Albrighton who went onto better things was absolute shite for ages even though some of us were hoping he'd regain his old form. Why is there suddenly loads of ace young players apparently coming through when we're complete bobbins? A curse on him if Black was stopping a group of superstars from getting their chance to shine but i doubt it
1st Team careers have to start at some time and the step change from U21 to 1st Team is an important part of a player's development. You will never find out if a player can make it if you do not give him that chance.
true but i've never heard this accusation aimed at garde/sherwood/lambert/etc.. . No-one complained that they were doing fuck all to bring young players through in fact, this time last season a lot were happy we were buying them from abroad from Barcelona and the likes
See paul_e's post that followed as I was just about to comment the same.
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There hasn't been a blueprint on how to integrate young players into the first team squad for some time. We've been crap for about 6 years with some very poor, unprofessional older heads around and before then, O'Neill would rather spend a fortune on established Premier League players who were on their last big contract.
Over the next few years we need a strong core of professional, older heads who are prepared to encourage and lead younger players. Start having some success and then look to start bringing in good, promising players into a decent side.
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There hasn't been a blueprint on how to integrate young players into the first team squad for some time. We've been crap for about 6 years with some very poor, unprofessional older heads around and before then, O'Neill would rather spend a fortune on established Premier League players who were on their last big contract.
Over the next few years we need a strong core of professional, older heads who are prepared to encourage and lead younger players. Start having some success and then look to start bringing in good, promising players into a decent side.
Amen to that. And i think i'll give it a rest now seeing this thread has nowt to do with Black but hopefully a better era
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true but i've never heard this accusation aimed at garde/sherwood/lambert/etc.. . No-one complained that they were doing fuck all to bring young players through in fact, this time last season a lot were happy we were buying them from abroad from Barcelona and the likes
Garde you have a point but Sherwood and Lambert did a reasonable amount and the guy we got from Baarcelona is one of the players that most people think Black should've given game time to, not playing a very expensive youngster with huge potential but who's very raw when there's no pressure on the team is unforgivable for me.
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There hasn't been a blueprint on how to integrate young players into the first team squad for some time. We've been crap for about 6 years with some very poor, unprofessional older heads around and before then, O'Neill would rather spend a fortune on established Premier League players who were on their last big contract.
Over the next few years we need a strong core of professional, older heads who are prepared to encourage and lead younger players. Start having some success and then look to start bringing in good, promising players into a decent side.
Amen to that. And i think i'll give it a rest now seeing this thread has nowt to do with Black but hopefully a better era
As you say, hopefully we have bottomed out and will start the climb back again.
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I'm pleased that Clarke is also with us, really good coach and will have some good connections. Will know the Championship well too. Good management team.
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Welcome to RDM & SC. The best thing about this when it's finally announced, is seeing the back of Eric fucking Black. What a disaster he turned out to be!!!
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Er, perhaps the players will finally be told when to return to preseason training!
I think season ticket sales will rise rapidly if we start our transfer business quickly.
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I'm pleased that Clarke is also with us, really good coach and will have some good connections. Will know the Championship well too. Good management team.
Agree. Clarke's presence has reassured me as he has a good reputation as a coach (not so good as a manager). Will be interesting to see the comings and goings over the next month.
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Seems a really solid pairing to me. Combined with real backing I think we can do very well. Pretty chuffed.
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The Steve Clarke appointment is interesting and very welcome.
Agree DaveP. I've always rated Clarke well since I watched a doco on a bunch of school kids who got places with Chelsea's academy with a contract up for grabs as a reward for most promising player. I can't remember the name of it, but he came across very well in that show. Hadn't realised he was also a player and him and RDM played in the same Chelsea side, as suggested by the BBC article?
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Hadn't realised he was also a player and him and RDM played in the same Chelsea side, as suggested by the BBC article?
Part of the final Chelsea teams before they become disgustingly rich.
Him, Frank Sinclair and Erland Johnsen across the back, Eddie Newton and Gavin Peacock in midfield and John Spencer up front. As mediocre a team as you can imagine.
He was on the way out by the time Di Matteo was coming in, but there will have been a couple of years of crossover.
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Welcome to the new management team. RDM is a solid choice even if not my first choice, but we were limtied. Having Clarke on board is a very good move. Good luck to both of them, they have a huge task at hand.
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Clarke was involved with west ham with Zola wasn't he
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Because Jack WOODWARD also left AVFC today so reporting of this non existent too!?
I expect us to get James Richardson in instead as RDM liked his Football Italia show. It's been one of those rare (recently) sort of days as a Villa fan.
Very happy with RDM's choice of No. 2 in Clarke and recognition that fitness is clearly an issue.
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RDM with Steve Clarke as assistant is a great start.
With the likes of Pearson, Monk, Bruce, Dyche and others being linked with us, this is a great appointment.
Is this on the advice of Brian Little, or someone else, if not Little then who?
Not sure how much Xia knows about managers, so I am guessing someone is advising him.
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Good decisions in the context. Like Clarke think he is someone we have been missing for too long.
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RDM with Steve Clarke as assistant is a great start.
With the likes of Pearson, Monk, Bruce, Dyche and others being linked with us, this is a great appointment.
Is this on the advice of Brian Little, or someone else, if not Little then who?
Not sure how much Xia knows about managers, so I am guessing someone is advising him.
It may be as simple as he applied for the job. Xia asked for the list of potential candidates that had applied or been recruited for consideration and picked RDM as his preferred choice even if Brian Little & the current Villa board preferred Pearson or Moyes.
Just one extra bit of speculation, ManU is a big deal in China, it seems very plausible that Moyes is regarded as a bit of a joke figure over there in the same way he is by a lot of ManU fans so Xia immediatley tossed his name out causing a shocked Moyes to "withdraw" from the running to try and save face.
I know nothing about how managers jobs works but the above invented scenario doesnt seem all that crazy.
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That's about as solid a management partnership as we could have hoped for. They need the backing from Dr X. Hopefully them joining is a clear indication that the ownership change isn't far from being confirmed.
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Apparently also joining is Massimiliano Marchesi AKA The Sheikh of Muscles. Or something like that.
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Chubby Agbonlahor will be delighted with "Marchesi has made a living off pushing players to their physical limits."
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A coach! An actually bloody coach! Wonders never cease.
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Does this mean we have a proper managerial team and are being run like a proffesional football club? Surely not this is the Villa there must be some mistake.
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Chubby Agbonlahor will be delighted with "Marchesi has made a living off pushing players to their physical limits."
Chubby, Chubby, Chubby, Chubby, Chubby Agbonlahor...he's fat as fuck...
That bloke? Hope the Sheikh does a better job than Bobby Duverne. Of course I'm hoping that Gabby has nothing to do with the club come August and has fucked off somewhere else.
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Typical Villa that a headline "European Cup winners appoint European Cup winning manager" is under the current circumstances rather than at the pinnacle of the game.
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Unless I'm missing something (I'm on hols) it's still not on the club website. Have the website designers gone the way of Jack Woodward?
Also just read quotes from Pearson regarding meeting Lerner and Hollis. Nice diplomacy from him.
Link (apologies if posted before mods)
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nigel-pearson-aston-villa-talks-11421601
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Unless I'm missing something (I'm on hols) it's still not on the club website. Have the website designers gone the way of Jack Woodward?
Also just read quotes from Pearson regarding meeting Lerner and Hollis. Nice diplomacy from him.
Link (apologies if posted before mods)
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nigel-pearson-aston-villa-talks-11421601
it's not official official yet so that's why it's not on the OS. The Daily Mail are suggesting it hasn't been announced with Villa until they finalise the contract with Clarke, but should happen tomorrow.
And yes, Pearson is very respectful in how he handled the questions.
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Not sure about these appointments but welcome both and I hope you succeed.
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Chubby Agbonlahor will be delighted with "Marchesi has made a living off pushing players to their physical limits."
Chubby, Chubby, Chubby, Chubby, Chubby Agbonlahor...he's fat as fuck...
That bloke? Hope the Sheikh does a better job than Bobby Duverne. Of course I'm hoping that Gabby has nothing to do with the club come August and has fucked off somewhere else.
'he's very broad' scans better. Ha! This reminds me of that Bowie scene in Extras where he composes that song about andy Millman (Gervais). Fatty fatty toad boy....
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Chubby Agbonlahor will be delighted with "Marchesi has made a living off pushing players to their physical limits."
Chubby, Chubby, Chubby, Chubby, Chubby Agbonlahor...he's fat as fuck...
That bloke? Hope the Sheikh does a better job than Bobby Duverne. Of course I'm hoping that Gabby has nothing to do with the club come August and has fucked off somewhere else.
'he's very broad' scans better. Ha! This reminds me of that Bowie scene in Extras where he composes that song about andy Millman (Gervais). Fatty fatty toad boy....
Toad Boy was what Gervais was called and then called Keith I'm The Office.
Bowie song was Pathetic Little Fatman
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If we get a new fitness coach in lets hope that the players, do what he says, and not go on strike for being trained too hard like last season
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Chubby Agbonlahor will be delighted with "Marchesi has made a living off pushing players to their physical limits."
Chubby, Chubby, Chubby, Chubby, Chubby Agbonlahor...he's fat as fuck...
That bloke? Hope the Sheikh does a better job than Bobby Duverne. Of course I'm hoping that Gabby has nothing to do with the club come August and has fucked off somewhere else.
'he's very broad' scans better. Ha! This reminds me of that Bowie scene in Extras where he composes that song about andy Millman (Gervais). Fatty fatty toad boy....
Toad Boy was what Gervais was called and then called Keith I'm The Office.
Bowie song was Pathetic Little Fatman
just reading that has made me laugh
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Confirmed
http://mobile.avfc.co.uk/default.aspx?s=news-display&aid=5620078
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He's magic. You know. Roberto Di Matteo.
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Excellent news, now the work starts.
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Best of luck Roberto, I just hope that you are able to sort out the club, and give us some exciting / attacking football to watch
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ASTON VILLA FOOTBALL CLUB is pleased to announce the appointment of Roberto Di Matteo as our new manager.
The 46-year-old joins the Club following previous spells as manager of Milton Keynes Dons, West Bromwich Albion, Chelsea and Bundesliga side Schalke 04.
He successfully guided West Bromwich Albion to promotion to the Premier League in 2010 and led Chelsea to an FA Cup Final triumph and the highest accolade in club football - the Champions League title in 2012.
Roberto said: "It's a wonderful honour for me to become manager of this great football club and I'm looking forward to the challenge of taking Aston Villa back to its rightful place."
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Do you think Steve Clarke is going to end up as assistant? That would be a coup in my opinion, more exciting than RDM as manager.
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Do you think Steve Clarke is going to end up as assistant? That would be a coup in my opinion, more exciting than RDM as manager.
Seemed to be a done deal yesterday, so I don't see why not.
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Do you think Steve Clarke is going to end up as assistant? That would be a coup in my opinion, more exciting than RDM as manager.
Seemed to be a done deal yesterday, so I don't see why not.
Although I think the delay was reported to be around Clarkes contract so I hope all has been sorted.
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Confirmed
http://mobile.avfc.co.uk/default.aspx?s=news-display&aid=5620078
Nice to see they have spelt his name right!!
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Welcome Roberto, it's a massive job with plenty to be done.
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Great news, welcome Bobby. Hope Stevo joins you too, would be a great pair.
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Does he remind anyone else a bit of Parker from Thunderbirds
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Does he remind anyone else a bit of Parker from Thunderbirds
Yes every time I see him I think of that .
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Unless I'm missing something (I'm on hols) it's still not on the club website. Have the website designers gone the way of Jack Woodward?
Also just read quotes from Pearson regarding meeting Lerner and Hollis. Nice diplomacy from him.
Link (apologies if posted before mods)
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nigel-pearson-aston-villa-talks-11421601
he has to sign agbonlahor for derby looking at their shirts and sponsor
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He's magic. You know. Roberto Di Matteo.
Thanks for that I've got that as a bloody earworm for the rest of the day.
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Unless I'm missing something (I'm on hols) it's still not on the club website. Have the website designers gone the way of Jack Woodward?
Also just read quotes from Pearson regarding meeting Lerner and Hollis. Nice diplomacy from him.
Link (apologies if posted before mods)
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nigel-pearson-aston-villa-talks-11421601
he has to sign agbonlahor for derby looking at their shirts and sponsor
spotted
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What a job lies ahead for Roberto, I wish him all the very best, make us happy again.
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Does he remind anyone else a bit of Parker from Thunderbirds
Yes every time I see him I think of that .
Did you know that Parkers first name was Aloysius.
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Welcome gentlemen.
Onwards & Upwards
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welcome Roberto
be over the moon if you get SC on board too , feels like we get two for one .
i would have thought RDM was an OK appointment looking at his history as we are not in no position to get that wow appointment ( thou I said WOW when MON came and look where that got us ) but getting SC i think now its an excellent pairing and really excited.
good luck and bring our Villa back.
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Don't have a problem with RDM, he got West Brom promoted at first time of asking. Baffled by some Villa fans who seem to be using his time at Chelsea as any sort of barometer for whether he'd be a success here, I'd say the playing abilities of both sides might make that a bit of a silly comparison...
I've mentioned before but I've always thought Steve Clarke would be a decent shout for manager so amusing he's turned up as assistant and could well be manager here for a bit in the future.
Still a very capable and respected number 2 for once.
It's a good start. Now we have to sort out this car crash of a squad very quickly.
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An alternative to Clarke might be the ex-derby boss Paul Clement. He worked at Chelsea before his stints with PSG and Madrid so may have connections with RDM. I think I read that he is helping Southgate with the U21s at the moment but is presumably looking for a permanent gig somewhere.
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What worries me is that both are ex baggies and that old saying two wronguns don't make a right.
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Welcome RDM and Steve Clarke it can only get better.
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Welcome RDM and Steve Clarke it can only get better.
yes
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Steve Clarke hasn't put pen to paper yet!
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I don't see what either of them being previously employed by WBA has anything to do with things. RDM has proven experience at getting them out of the Championship at the first attempt as well as winning the Champions League with Chelsea. It all bodes well for me.
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Don't have a problem with RDM, he got West Brom promoted at first time of asking. Baffled by some Villa fans who seem to be using his time at Chelsea as any sort of barometer for whether he'd be a success here, I'd say the playing abilities of both sides might make that a bit of a silly comparison...
I've mentioned before but I've always thought Steve Clarke would be a decent shout for manager so amusing he's turned up as assistant and could well be manager here for a bit in the future.
Still a very capable and respected number 2 for once.
It's a good start. Now we have to sort out this car crash of a squad very quickly.
On paper at least it seems a good partneship. Roberto should be able to improve our style of play, and should have some good ideas fro the younger players to improve their games, whereas I think Clarke will be more hands on, on the training field and bring some different experience of his own. Still think they have their work cut out for them, but then would probably be the case no matter who we got.
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Where is the new manager photo with shirt/scarf?
Odd. Surely Tony the guy on the gate has a camera phone.
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Does he remind anyone else a bit of Parker from Thunderbirds
Yes every time I see him I think of that .
Did you know that Parkers first name was Aloysius.
No, good trivia.
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So if Clarke does sign then the next moves are usually
Fitness / conditioning coach - Already a rumour about the Italian guy with big reputation
GK coach - surely Parkes has to be replaced
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Where is the new manager photo with shirt/scarf?
Odd. Surely Tony the guy on the gate has a camera phone.
Possibly waiting for new owner/chairman/board/manager combined photo shoot?
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Welcome RDM and Steve Clarke it can only get better.
yes
This.
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Morons.
@PaddyPower Villa and Di Matteo. Like doing a final lap of the nightclub, finding someone similarly pissed and desperate, and both deciding it'll do.
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Clarke has a good reputation for organisation, so we'd hope for something more out of the back four and those who sit and cover in front of them this year.
If we can get tha solidarity to the spine, then i'd be hopeful of RDM getting a good tune out of our better attacking players.
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On paper at least it seems a good partneship. Roberto should be able to improve our style of play, and should have some good ideas fro the younger players to improve their games, whereas I think Clarke will be more hands on, on the training field and bring some different experience of his own. Still think they have their work cut out for them, but then would probably be the case no matter who we got.
Clarke is the critical component here, I think, because of his reputation as a coach. So, guarded applause for the RdM appointment; I'll reserve my full approval when the coaching staff is announced.
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Does he remind anyone else a bit of Parker from Thunderbirds
Yes m'lady
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I don't see what either of them being previously employed by WBA has anything to do with things. RDM has proven experience at getting them out of the Championship at the first attempt as well as winning the Champions League with Chelsea. It all bodes well for me.
I agree.
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Hopefully Clarke comes along with him in the next few hours/days.
Also encouraging to see he's on a 2 year deal which fits in with the promotion in 2 years clause between Tony Xia & Randy Lerner, blimey, connected thinking by Aston Villa, times really do seem to be changing.
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Hadn't realised he was also a player and him and RDM played in the same Chelsea side, as suggested by the BBC article?
Part of the final Chelsea teams before they become disgustingly rich.
Him, Frank Sinclair and Erland Johnsen across the back, Eddie Newton and Gavin Peacock in midfield and John Spencer up front. As mediocre a team as you can imagine.
He was on the way out by the time Di Matteo was coming in, but there will have been a couple of years of crossover.
cheers Dave - appreciate it
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Gavin Peacock, he's now a batshit crazy preacher in America. If you have Twitter take a look @Gpeacock8.
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Next Aston Villa manager: Steve Clarke, Kevin Bond and Massimiliano Marchesi set to join staff
http://myinforms.com/en-gb/a/35360668-next-aston-villa-manager-steve-clarke-kevin-bond-and-massimiliano-marchesi-set-to-join-staff/
Steve Clarke and Kevin Bond would be terrific additions.
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Yep, v happy w that
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I would be very happy with that set of staff. Please make it happen Villa.
New owner, new management, a proper set up. I can't wait to see who our first signing is.
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Next Aston Villa manager: Steve Clarke, Kevin Bond and Massimiliano Marchesi set to join staff
http://myinforms.com/en-gb/a/35360668-next-aston-villa-manager-steve-clarke-kevin-bond-and-massimiliano-marchesi-set-to-join-staff/
Steve Clarke and Kevin Bond would be terrific additions.
Don't underestimate how big a deal Marchesi would be, he's got a fantastic reputation getting in someone with his profile is a big positive and fitness was, in my opinion, what did for us last year, Sherwood got the summer totally wrong and it fucked us over for the entire season.
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Gavin Peacock, he's now a batshit crazy preacher in America. If you have Twitter take a look @Gpeacock8.
Is he still persevering with his 'Ming the Merciless' look?
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Not to wowed by our biannual managerial appointment but let's see who we get in another 6 months.
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Gavin Peacock, he's now a batshit crazy preacher in America. If you have Twitter take a look @Gpeacock8.
Is he still persevering with his 'Ming the Merciless' look?
Not sure, he certainly isn't a fan of homosexuals.
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Gavin Peacock, he's now a batshit crazy preacher in America. If you have Twitter take a look @Gpeacock8.
There's another Chelsea player who went on to be a preacher/minister as well. I think it was Babayaro but I'm not sure.
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Gavin Peacock, he's now a batshit crazy preacher in America. If you have Twitter take a look @Gpeacock8.
There's another Chelsea player who went on to be a preacher/minister as well. I think it was Babayaro but I'm not sure.
Could we make a team out of footballers who have gone on to preach?
David Ike
Brian Tyler
Peter Knowles
Gavin Peacock
Babayaro...
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Not to wowed by our biannual managerial appointment but let's see who we get in another 6 months.
So who do you believe we could have got that would have been a better appointment in your opinion ? Unless I have missed something, there's not exactly a lot of top managers available or willing to manage in The Championship.
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Gavin Peacock, he's now a batshit crazy preacher in America. If you have Twitter take a look @Gpeacock8.
There's another Chelsea player who went on to be a preacher/minister as well. I think it was Babayaro but I'm not sure.
Could we make a team out of footballers who have gone on to preach?
David Ike
Brian Tyler
Peter Knowles
Gavin Peacock
Babayaro...
Mike Tindall..
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Not to wowed by our biannual managerial appointment but let's see who we get in another 6 months.
So who do you believe we could have got that would have been a better appointment in your opinion ? Unless I have missed something, there's not exactly a lot of top managers available or willing to manage in The Championship.
Maybe he's a Pearson or a Rodgers man.
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I think RDM, Clarke and maybe Bond show a measured approach from Xia (and Hollis) with a view to the future. It would be nice not to have to change management personnel so often and this line up could carry us back to European football, the potential is there. I'm much happier with this than a quick-fix, let's get promoted manager, who hits his ceiling immediately after promotion. Let's leave the yo-yoing to lesser clubs.
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Not to wowed by our biannual managerial appointment but let's see who we get in another 6 months.
So who do you believe we could have got that would have been a better appointment in your opinion ? Unless I have missed something, there's not exactly a lot of top managers available or willing to manage in The Championship.
Maybe he's a Pearson or a Rodgers man.
Well I'd say given his reference to the 6 monthly manager change then whoever it was he would have spun it into being a negative.
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I think RDM, Clarke and maybe Bond show a measured approach from Xia (and Hollis) with a view to the future. It would be nice not to have to change management personnel so often and this line up could carry us back to European football, the potential is there. I'm much happier with this than a quick-fix, let's get promoted manager, who hits his ceiling immediately after promotion. Let's leave the yo-yoing to lesser clubs.
European football? I'm as happy as the next man that we've got a new manager but this kind of talk should be left to delusional Toon fans. I'll take finishing 6th and making the playoffs. In a decent kit
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European football? I'm as happy as the next man that we've got a new manager but this kind of talk should be left to delusional Toon fans. I'll take finishing 6th and making the playoffs. In a decent kit.
Do you seriously think Xia's plan only consists of gaining promotion...it's not delusional, it's business planning and it's an essential component of all successful companies.
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Next Aston Villa manager: Steve Clarke, Kevin Bond and Massimiliano Marchesi set to join staff
http://myinforms.com/en-gb/a/35360668-next-aston-villa-manager-steve-clarke-kevin-bond-and-massimiliano-marchesi-set-to-join-staff/
Steve Clarke and Kevin Bond would be terrific additions.
Wow - Bond as well - don't know much about Marchesi but he seems to be a hard taskmaster so that'll do for me. Now a decent keeper coach and we're in a decent position. I would LOVE to see Gabby on the first day back.
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European football? I'm as happy as the next man that we've got a new manager but this kind of talk should be left to delusional Toon fans. I'll take finishing 6th and making the playoffs. In a decent kit.
Do you seriously think Xia's plan only consists of gaining promotion...it's not delusional, it's business planning and it's an essential component of all successful companies.
Do you think we'll be one of the top 3 clubs in the world then? cos that's what the Dr ordered? and I'm not sure what Xia knows about successful companies. Just adding a bit of realism to the debate here.
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Yes Bond is another good addition. Think we need to get the coaching staff and structure right atb the club first, then work on transfers etc..
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Gavin Peacock, he's now a batshit crazy preacher in America. If you have Twitter take a look @Gpeacock8.
There's another Chelsea player who went on to be a preacher/minister as well. I think it was Babayaro but I'm not sure.
Could we make a team out of footballers who have gone on to preach?
David Ike
Brian Tyler
Peter Knowles
Gavin Peacock
Babayaro...
Who is Brian Tyler?
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Gavin Peacock, he's now a batshit crazy preacher in America. If you have Twitter take a look @Gpeacock8.
There's another Chelsea player who went on to be a preacher/minister as well. I think it was Babayaro but I'm not sure.
Could we make a team out of footballers who have gone on to preach?
David Ike
Brian Tyler
Peter Knowles
Gavin Peacock
Babayaro...
This song is about Peter Knowles:
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Do you think we'll be one of the top 3 clubs in the world then? cos that's what the Dr ordered? and I'm not sure what Xia knows about successful companies. Just adding a bit of realism to the debate here.
Top 3, obviously not in the immediate future...but how is Xia defining 'top' ? trophies, revenue, size of fan base, all of the above. Your realism = stating Xia's short term goals and nothing else, and by your own admission, you know next to nothing about him.
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Do you think we'll be one of the top 3 clubs in the world then? cos that's what the Dr ordered? and I'm not sure what Xia knows about successful companies. Just adding a bit of realism to the debate here.
Top 3, obviously not in the immediate future...but how is Xia defining 'top' ? trophies, revenue, size of fan base, all of the above. Your realism = stating Xia's short term goals and nothing else, and by your own admission, you know next to nothing about him.
Shoot for the stars and maybe you'll hit the Moon.
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Next Aston Villa manager: Steve Clarke, Kevin Bond and Massimiliano Marchesi set to join staff
http://myinforms.com/en-gb/a/35360668-next-aston-villa-manager-steve-clarke-kevin-bond-and-massimiliano-marchesi-set-to-join-staff/
Steve Clarke and Kevin Bond would be terrific additions.
Wow - Bond as well - don't know much about Marchesi but he seems to be a hard taskmaster so that'll do for me. Now a decent keeper coach and we're in a decent position. I would LOVE to see Gabby on the first day back.
I don't know how much we'll be paying Marchesi, but he'll have paid for himself at least x 100 if his appointment pursuades Agbonlahor that the future's lots of hard work at Bodymoor Heath getting properly fit for the first time in half a decade or somewhere other than Bodymoor Heath entirely.
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Next Aston Villa manager: Steve Clarke, Kevin Bond and Massimiliano Marchesi set to join staff
http://myinforms.com/en-gb/a/35360668-next-aston-villa-manager-steve-clarke-kevin-bond-and-massimiliano-marchesi-set-to-join-staff/
Steve Clarke and Kevin Bond would be terrific additions.
Wow - Bond as well - don't know much about Marchesi but he seems to be a hard taskmaster so that'll do for me. Now a decent keeper coach and we're in a decent position. I would LOVE to see Gabby on the first day back.
I don't know how much we'll be paying Marchesi, but he'll have paid for himself at least x 100 if his appointment pursuades Agbonlahor that the future's lots of hard work at Bodymoor Heath getting properly fit for the first time in half a decade or somewhere other than Bodymoor Heath entirely.
Much as I'd like to see a road to Damascus style conversion from Gabby, my preference would be to terminate his contract and send him to Dubai where he can munch on a high calorie non-racial foodstuff.
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Next Aston Villa manager: Steve Clarke, Kevin Bond and Massimiliano Marchesi set to join staff
http://myinforms.com/en-gb/a/35360668-next-aston-villa-manager-steve-clarke-kevin-bond-and-massimiliano-marchesi-set-to-join-staff/
Steve Clarke and Kevin Bond would be terrific additions.
Wow - Bond as well - don't know much about Marchesi but he seems to be a hard taskmaster so that'll do for me. Now a decent keeper coach and we're in a decent position. I would LOVE to see Gabby on the first day back.
I don't know how much we'll be paying Marchesi, but he'll have paid for himself at least x 100 if his appointment pursuades Agbonlahor that the future's lots of hard work at Bodymoor Heath getting properly fit for the first time in half a decade or somewhere other than Bodymoor Heath entirely.
Much as I'd like to see a road to Damascus style conversion from Gabby, my preference would be to terminate his contract and send him to Dubai where he can munch on a high calorie non-racial foodstuff.
I don't think it's very likely. In which case if Marchesi is the absolute hard bastard he's reputed to be I reckon there's a chance Gabby's love of Ginster's pie breaks will outweigh his love of his "loyalty" bonus and a transfer request will not be far behind day 3 of return to training.
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It occurred to me today that it is entirely possible that the Poison Posse will see the coaching and management structure being assembled and try to grovel their way back into favour.
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It occurred to me today that it is entirely possible that the Poison Posse will see the coaching and management structure being assembled and try to grovel their way back into favour.
One can only hope that RDM and Clarke in particular have seen what transpired last season and have a simple "You must be joking?" type response prepared.
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Lescott might let them drive his car.
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I think people will be dissapointed if you are expecting another bomb squad scenario. I've no doubt that they will try to shift players but we wont be signing a whole new team. Given resources are bound to be limited to some extent I wouldn't be at all surprised to see one or more of Gabby, Lescott, Richards etc starting the new season with us. And frankly, however pissed off I am with them right now, if they give 100% and perform for the team that would just about be ok with me.
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It occurred to me today that it is entirely possible that the Poison Posse will see the coaching and management structure being assembled and try to grovel their way back into favour.
I would hope so. I'm all for second chances. Especially cost effective second chances. Then we can spend money elsewhere.
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Next Aston Villa manager: Steve Clarke, Kevin Bond and Massimiliano Marchesi set to join staff
http://myinforms.com/en-gb/a/35360668-next-aston-villa-manager-steve-clarke-kevin-bond-and-massimiliano-marchesi-set-to-join-staff/
Steve Clarke and Kevin Bond would be terrific additions.
Wow - Bond as well - don't know much about Marchesi but he seems to be a hard taskmaster so that'll do for me. Now a decent keeper coach and we're in a decent position. I would LOVE to see Gabby on the first day back.
Gabby shouldn't have to concern himself with the new regime that much. We won't be able to sell him, and we'll probably have to pay a big chunk of his wages to punt him out somewhere. But better that than keeping him around.
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Next Aston Villa manager: Steve Clarke, Kevin Bond and Massimiliano Marchesi set to join staff
http://myinforms.com/en-gb/a/35360668-next-aston-villa-manager-steve-clarke-kevin-bond-and-massimiliano-marchesi-set-to-join-staff/
Steve Clarke and Kevin Bond would be terrific additions.
Wow - Bond as well - don't know much about Marchesi but he seems to be a hard taskmaster so that'll do for me. Now a decent keeper coach and we're in a decent position. I would LOVE to see Gabby on the first day back.
I don't know how much we'll be paying Marchesi, but he'll have paid for himself at least x 100 if his appointment pursuades Agbonlahor that the future's lots of hard work at Bodymoor Heath getting properly fit for the first time in half a decade or somewhere other than Bodymoor Heath entirely.
Agreed , I would pay to see the 'Sheik of Muscles' ' persuading' Gabby .
According to Max Marchesi " Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard " ...apparently Marchesi has made a living off pushing players to their physical limits ................Godzvilla!
( see : http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/who-massimiliano-marchesi-quick-guide-11420040 )
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I think people will be dissapointed if you are expecting another bomb squad scenario. I've no doubt that they will try to shift players but we wont be signing a whole new team. Given resources are bound to be limited to some extent I wouldn't be at all surprised to see one or more of Gabby, Lescott, Richards etc starting the new season with us. And frankly, however pissed off I am with them right now, if they give 100% and perform for the team that would just about be ok with me.
Lescott I can see remaining, for some reason.
He'll have an awful lot of making up to do, but it all depends on his motivation.
Richards will be away as soon as. He barely had the heart of us in the topflight last year, so can't seen him bursting to turn it around next year. We should still be able to attract some sort of fee for him, given his age. Could see Fat Sam or Steve Bruce taking a punt.
Gabby should be toast under any right thinking administration.
Bacuna will be off to Bayern Munich, so no need to worry there.
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It occurred to me today that it is entirely possible that the Poison Posse will see the coaching and management structure being assembled and try to grovel their way back into favour.
I would hope so. I'm all for second chances. Especially cost effective second chances. Then we can spend money elsewhere.
Who of lescott, richards or agbonlahor showed themselves to be even worthy of a place in the squad, regardless of attitude issues? They were three of our poorest performers last season, so for that reason alone they should be fucked off from a great height.
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Could their performance be related to attitude?
If not, I agree with you. If it is all about attitude and it can be changed, that might be a glimmer of hope for them.
It may be easier for the new management team just to get rid.
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Whatever was splitting that dressing room and undermining the manager/club needs to be cut out and disposed of. If it has happened once, it will happen again.
We need a clear out so that the new manager can concentrate on building, rather than rehabilitating.
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Whatever was splitting that dressing room and undermining the manager/club needs to be cut out and disposed of. If it has happened once, it will happen again.
We need a clear out so that the new manager can concentrate on building, rather than rehabilitating.
In other words, piss off, gabby.
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Whatever was splitting that dressing room and undermining the manager/club needs to be cut out and disposed of. If it has happened once, it will happen again.
We need a clear out so that the new manager can concentrate on building, rather than rehabilitating.
In reality we might get rid of Richards, we are stuck with the others.Gabby will not shift under any circumstances I can imagine.
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Could their performance be related to attitude?
If not, I agree with you. If it is all about attitude and it can be changed, that might be a glimmer of hope for them.
It may be easier for the new management team just to get rid.
Quite possibly with lescott (and to a lesser extent, richards), but gabby is without doubt a lost cause, and is too fucking thick to work out how to change his attitude.
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Whatever was splitting that dressing room and undermining the manager/club needs to be cut out and disposed of. If it has happened once, it will happen again.
We need a clear out so that the new manager can concentrate on building, rather than rehabilitating.
In reality we might get rid of Richards, we are stuck with the others.Gabby will not shift under any circumstances I can imagine.
So many jokes, so slow at typing.
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Could their performance be related to attitude?
If not, I agree with you. If it is all about attitude and it can be changed, that might be a glimmer of hope for them.
It may be easier for the new management team just to get rid.
Quite possibly with lescott (and to a lesser extent, richards), but gabby is without doubt a lost cause, and is too fucking thick self absorbed to work out how want to change his attitude.
would be my guess these days.
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True enough. I find it remarkable how much i dislike our record PL goalscorer.
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Is his middle name short for Diane?
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True enough. I find it remarkable how much i dislike our record PL goalscorer.
It's incredible how someone so fêted could quickly become so widely despised.
Odd really how his own career has mirrored Lerner's. With any luck he'll f¤¤k off soon, although hopefully without receiving £10's of millions for the privlege.
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I still think there is a club so stupid and ill advised they will take him off our hands.
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On loan, with us stumping up half (or more) of his wages, possibly.
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It would really dampen my anticipation of the new season if we have the ****** mob from last season still playing for us. I'm not interested in watching them, reading their thoughts or stupid tweets or anything about them, I'd rather they just left and if they mostly stayed I'd think twice about attending much next season. They took the piss this year, humiliated the club, were the worst side we've ever had and don't deserve another shot in our colours and under our name.
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The situation for the malingerers has changed radically. They could throw their weight about and undermine unregarded fringe managers like Sherwood, Garde and Black. But now they are confronted by respected professionals like RDM, Clarke, Bond and Marchesi. Not to be wanted by Remi Garde or Eric Black is one thing but not to be wanted by RDM or Clarke is a whole new ball game. If I was the agent of Guzan, Agbonlahor, Richards, Lescott or Bacuna I would be telling them to buckle down and keep their traps shut if they want any kind of decent move from Villa.
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Welcome RDM Steve Wagon...
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The situation for the malingerers has changed radically. They could throw their weight about and undermine unregarded fringe managers like Sherwood, Garde and Black. But now they are confronted by respected professionals like RDM, Clarke, Bond and Marchesi. Not to be wanted by Remi Garde or Eric Black is one thing but not to be wanted by RDM or Clarke is a whole new ball game. If I was the agent of Guzan, Agbonlahor, Richards, Lescott or Bacuna I would be telling them to buckle down and keep their traps shut if they want any kind of decent move from Villa.
First thing that should happen is the agents of the above players being called in and told that their clients will never play for the club again.
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Lescott can't stay for me. The relationship between him and the fans is just too fractured. His whole season was one cock up after another
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Lescott can't stay for me. The relationship between him and the fans is just too fractured. His whole season was one cock up after another
He had a bloody clever phone though.
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Am chuffed to bits with the management team, as for the deadwood they will be chopped .
At last it seems we have a TEAM in the dugout things can only get better( starts singing) .
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Lescott can't stay for me. The relationship between him and the fans is just too fractured. His whole season was one cock up after another
He had a bloody clever phone though.
That he did. Shame his defending wasn't as clever
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Lescott can't stay for me. The relationship between him and the fans is just too fractured. His whole season was one cock up after another
He had a bloody clever phone though.
That he did. Shame his defending wasn't as clever
Maybe a presenter on the Gadget Show?
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Steve Clarke is not yet on the payroll it seems. If he does not sign a contract there are many of us that will feel let down badly. All the TV clips of Di Matteo shown today feature him at The Hawthorns or Chelsea. Have they sacked anyone who owns a camera as part of the cuts?
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The situation for the malingerers has changed radically. They could throw their weight about and undermine unregarded fringe managers like Sherwood, Garde and Black. But now they are confronted by respected professionals like RDM, Clarke, Bond and Marchesi. Not to be wanted by Remi Garde or Eric Black is one thing but not to be wanted by RDM or Clarke is a whole new ball game. If I was the agent of Guzan, Agbonlahor, Richards, Lescott or Bacuna I would be telling them to buckle down and keep their traps shut if they want any kind of decent move from Villa.
First thing that should happen is the agents of the above players being called in and told that their clients will never play for the club again.
We could give them a name, maybe something like the 'bomb squad' Because that worked well last time.
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The situation for the malingerers has changed radically. They could throw their weight about and undermine unregarded fringe managers like Sherwood, Garde and Black. But now they are confronted by respected professionals like RDM, Clarke, Bond and Marchesi. Not to be wanted by Remi Garde or Eric Black is one thing but not to be wanted by RDM or Clarke is a whole new ball game. If I was the agent of Guzan, Agbonlahor, Richards, Lescott or Bacuna I would be telling them to buckle down and keep their traps shut if they want any kind of decent move from Villa.
First thing that should happen is the agents of the above players being called in and told that their clients will never play for the club again.
We could give them a name, maybe something like the 'bomb squad' Because that worked well last time.
Try 'Arsehole alliance'.
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Steve Clarke is not yet on the payroll it seems. If he does not sign a contract there are many of us that will feel let down badly.
I'd imagine Clarke is still on the payroll of Reading. He signed a two and a half year deal in December 2014. I'd guess we finalising his deal, assuming Hollis has the authority to not only hire the manager but also his back room staff. I'm not panicking just yet, Ron.
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The situation for the malingerers has changed radically. They could throw their weight about and undermine unregarded fringe managers like Sherwood, Garde and Black. But now they are confronted by respected professionals like RDM, Clarke, Bond and Marchesi. Not to be wanted by Remi Garde or Eric Black is one thing but not to be wanted by RDM or Clarke is a whole new ball game. If I was the agent of Guzan, Agbonlahor, Richards, Lescott or Bacuna I would be telling them to buckle down and keep their traps shut if they want any kind of decent move from Villa.
First thing that should happen is the agents of the above players being called in and told that their clients will never play for the club again.
We could give them a name, maybe something like the 'bomb squad' Because that worked well last time.
Try 'Arsehole alliance'.
Already used for a club not too far away.....
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In all seriousness though, does anybody think the last bomb squad worked well and is their any reason why it's a better idea this time? Yes I know the players are ****** etc, etc but how can something pretty much universally considered as shit management last time now be a viable way forward with the current crop?
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Steve Clarke is not yet on the payroll it seems. If he does not sign a contract there are many of us that will feel let down badly.
I'd imagine Clarke is still on the payroll of Reading. He signed a two and a half year deal in December 2014. I'd guess we finalising his deal, assuming Hollis has the authority to not only hire the manager but also his back room staff. I'm not panicking just yet, Ron.
Eh? Why would Clarke still be on Readings pay roll
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Steve Clarke is not yet on the payroll it seems. If he does not sign a contract there are many of us that will feel let down badly.
I'd imagine Clarke is still on the payroll of Reading. He signed a two and a half year deal in December 2014. I'd guess we finalising his deal, assuming Hollis has the authority to not only hire the manager but also his back room staff. I'm not panicking just yet, Ron.
Eh? Why would Clarke still be on Readings pay roll
They sacked him and are still paying him off (until he finds another job).
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Welcome RDM Steve Wagon...
No more ridin' the storm out, I hope.
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Steve Clarke is not yet on the payroll it seems. If he does not sign a contract there are many of us that will feel let down badly.
I'd imagine Clarke is still on the payroll of Reading. He signed a two and a half year deal in December 2014. I'd guess we finalising his deal, assuming Hollis has the authority to not only hire the manager but also his back room staff. I'm not panicking just yet, Ron.
Eh? Why would Clarke still be on Readings pay roll
They sacked him and are still paying him off (until he finds another job).
Ah! Thanks for that
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Rumour is Clarke and Bond will be announced Monday. That's a pretty hefty coaching team with RDM. A new keeper coach too as one of the reporters today said Parks is on his way.
I think Lescott, Guzan, Richards, Cissokho, Amavi, Ayew, Gueye and Gil will all be gone come pre season games. Gabby and Bacuna will be the ones left mainly due to no takers although Gabby might get a middle east offer late in the summer.
It's up to RDM to find replacements then. It will be interesting who fills the sporting director role and starts the ball rolling on the scouting side. Who worked with RDM at Chelsea? Was Frank Arnesen there then?
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In all seriousness though, does anybody think the last bomb squad worked well and is their any reason why it's a better idea this time? Yes I know the players are c***s etc, etc but how can something pretty much universally considered as shit management last time now be a viable way forward with the current crop?
I think,this time, the hope is to negotiate settlements to terminate contracts so the individuals in question leave the club. Rather than hang around like a bad smell(as happened last time).
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It's up to RDM to find replacements then. It will be interesting who fills the sporting director role and starts the ball rolling on the scouting side. Who worked with RDM at Chelsea? Was Frank Arnesen there then?
Possibly, but I'd be surprised if RdM had a say in the appointment of a guy that could ultimately sack him.
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In all seriousness though, does anybody think the last bomb squad worked well and is their any reason why it's a better idea this time? Yes I know the players are c***s etc, etc but how can something pretty much universally considered as shit management last time now be a viable way forward with the current crop?
Yes. Players that do not fit into a manager's plan should be replaced. The key is to try and trust a manger for long enough that there is not a group of players left behind from the previous chap on big wages and no incentive to leave. Once there is continuity of manger (or thinking) the problem will reduce.
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Gabby might get a middle east offer late in the summer.
Maybe Dr X can get him on a slow boat to China?
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I think Lescott, Guzan, Richards, Cissokho, Amavi, Ayew, Gueye and Gil will all be gone come pre season games. Gabby and Bacuna will be the ones left mainly due to no takers although Gabby might get a middle east offer late in the summer.
If you add Richardson and NZogbia to that list as their contracts have ended that's a lot of players to leave and replace.
Next season should be a very new look Villa. Exciting times ahead.
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Gabby might get a middle east offer late in the summer.
Maybe Dr X can get him on a slow boat to China?
Still too quick for Gabby these days.
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Rumour is Clarke and Bond will be announced Monday. That's a pretty hefty coaching team with RDM. A new keeper coach too as one of the reporters today said Parks is on his way.
I think Lescott, Guzan, Richards, Cissokho, Amavi, Ayew, Gueye and Gil will all be gone come pre season games. Gabby and Bacuna will be the ones left mainly due to no takers although Gabby might get a middle east offer late in the summer.
It's up to RDM to find replacements then. It will be interesting who fills the sporting director role and starts the ball rolling on the scouting side. Who worked with RDM at Chelsea? Was Frank Arnesen there then?
Out of those I really hope we keep Amavi and Ayew. A strong coaching team would go a long way to sorting us out. We've been missing that for years.
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Rumour is Clarke and Bond will be announced Monday. That's a pretty hefty coaching team with RDM. A new keeper coach too as one of the reporters today said Parks is on his way.
I think Lescott, Guzan, Richards, Cissokho, Amavi, Ayew, Gueye and Gil will all be gone come pre season games. Gabby and Bacuna will be the ones left mainly due to no takers although Gabby might get a middle east offer late in the summer.
It's up to RDM to find replacements then. It will be interesting who fills the sporting director role and starts the ball rolling on the scouting side. Who worked with RDM at Chelsea? Was Frank Arnesen there then?
Out of those I really hope we keep Amavi and Ayew. A strong coaching team would go a long way to sorting us out. We've been missing that for years.
Gueye too, the stats show quite clearly that he's superb at breaking up play but when he looks up and sees statues there's not much he can do with the ball. Get some coaching to start encouraging clever movement off the ball and I think he can become a really good player for us, if he'll stay. I think Sanchez could have a similar upturn in form (and the slightly slower pace to the game in the championship will help him a lot anyway).
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The situation for the malingerers has changed radically. They could throw their weight about and undermine unregarded fringe managers like Sherwood, Garde and Black. But now they are confronted by respected professionals like RDM, Clarke, Bond and Marchesi. Not to be wanted by Remi Garde or Eric Black is one thing but not to be wanted by RDM or Clarke is a whole new ball game. If I was the agent of Guzan, Agbonlahor, Richards, Lescott or Bacuna I would be telling them to buckle down and keep their traps shut if they want any kind of decent move from Villa.
First thing that should happen is the agents of the above players being called in and told that their clients will never play for the club again.
We could give them a name, maybe something like the 'bomb squad' Because that worked well last time.
Try 'Arsehole alliance'.
Shit squad
Toss team
Wank wombles
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Wank wombles. I've had a drink. That made me giggle.
Hope we keep Amavi. Gonna be a fair few blanks in the team I reckon. I trust Bob and Clarkey to sort it.
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Crud Crusaders.
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The Hateful Eight
Guzan, Richards, Lescott, Okores, Gabby, Richardson, Bacuna, N'Zogbia.
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The Hateful Eight
Guzan, Richards, Lescott, Okores, Gabby, Richardson, Bacuna, N'Zogbia.
Brilliant
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****** Club.
The first rule of ****** Club is....
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c*** Club.
The first rule of c*** Club is....
Remember the first rule?
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Morons.
@PaddyPower Villa and Di Matteo. Like doing a final lap of the nightclub, finding someone similarly pissed and desperate, and both deciding it'll do.
Not sure if it still is, but it used to be Harriet Harman and Jack Dromey's son who did the Paddy Power communications, stunts and social media.
He knows some people I know, and I met him at a party. He's a complete plank, he spent the whole night trying to get off with my friend who's in a long term relationship.
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The Hateful Eight
Guzan, Richards, Lescott, Okores, Gabby, Richardson, Bacuna, N'Zogbia.
Unlike the other 7 I don't think Richardson was a "bad egg" ie trouble maker,he was just way past his best - only contribution I can ever remember him making was heading 1 off the line in the semi final
Brilliant
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Not inspired by RDM but with Clarke as assistant that seems a top double act for a championship club. As for the players, would love to keep Amavi, Grealish and Gureye, but other than that, any of the top squad can go . Ayew had a horrible attitude in the premiership, feck knows what he will be like when he is getting lumps kicked out of him now.
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Is his middle name short for Diane?
Diablo
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Why are people so taken with the appointment of Kevin Bond? He seems to have sent most of his post-playing career coat-tailing Harry Redknapp in mostly unsuccessful stints as various clubs or getting a quiet exit from Newcastle after having his name mentioned in the doggygate bungs scandal.
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... Ayew had a horrible attitude in the premiership
Really? Yes, he got sent off at the Spammers but I didn't see much evidence of "horrible attitude".
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Why are people so taken with the appointment of Kevin Bond? He seems to have sent most of his post-playing career coat-tailing Harry Redknapp in mostly unsuccessful stints as various clubs or getting a quiet exit from Newcastle after having his name mentioned in the doggygate bungs scandal.
I think the point is they appear to be assembling a coaching team - in Clarke, Bond and Marchesi - that has experience and credibility; that has been around the block a few times. Bond has been highly talked of for a while as a no-nonsense defensive coach ... Isn't that what we need?
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Agree Mister E. The most important words being "no nonsense". The whole squad has to look up to the coaching and management team. It is the mutinous anarchy of the dressing room and the blatant refusal to play to orders on the pitch that has put us where we are.
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Why are people so taken with the appointment of Kevin Bond? He seems to have sent most of his post-playing career coat-tailing Harry Redknapp in mostly unsuccessful stints as various clubs or getting a quiet exit from Newcastle after having his name mentioned in the doggygate bungs scandal.
I think the point is they appear to be assembling a coaching team - in Clarke, Bond and Marchesi - that has experience and credibility; that has been around the block a few times. Bond has been highly talked of for a while as a no-nonsense defensive coach ... Isn't that what we need?
I wonder where this sudden jump in the clubs logical thinking has come from. As you say, a competent and credible trio which would have been useful back when things started to look grim (i.e. January, as opposed to 2012!). I'd like to think that Brian Little has played his part and done what we all hoped for, which was to actually provide someone there with some football, and Villa, knowledge.
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Agree Mister E. The most important words being "no nonsense". The whole squad has to look up to the coaching and management team. It is the mutinous anarchy of the dressing room and the blatant refusal to play to orders on the pitch that has put us where we are.
I concur with you two gentlemen. If we want to make a swift return then the squad need to know exactly what is expected of them from the start.
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... Ayew had a horrible attitude in the premiership
Really? Yes, he got sent off at the Spammers but I didn't see much evidence of "horrible attitude".
Horrible attitude? Never seen it myself only a look of being pissed off if we didn't win which was very often.
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Morons.
@PaddyPower Villa and Di Matteo. Like doing a final lap of the nightclub, finding someone similarly pissed and desperate, and both deciding it'll do.
Not sure if it still is, but it used to be Harriet Harman and Jack Dromey's son who did the Paddy Power communications, stunts and social media.
He knows some people I know, and I met him at a party. He's a complete plank, he spent the whole night trying to get off with my friend who's in a long term relationship.
It's all about relatable content.
Er... 'mate'
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... Ayew had a horrible attitude in the premiership
Really? Yes, he got sent off at the Spammers but I didn't see much evidence of "horrible attitude".
Horrible attitude? Never seen it myself only a look of being pissed off if we didn't win which was very often.
I wished the rest of the squad had Ayew's 'horrible' attitude. If we had that we certainly wouldn't have been in the mess we got into.
Give me a team of Ayews over a team of grinning Bacunas every time.
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Does he remind anyone else a bit of Parker from Thunderbirds
Yes every time I see him I think of that .
Did you know that Parkers first name was Aloysius.
No, good trivia.
Trivia!!?? This is vital information!
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Why are people so taken with the appointment of Kevin Bond? He seems to have sent most of his post-playing career coat-tailing Harry Redknapp in mostly unsuccessful stints as various clubs or getting a quiet exit from Newcastle after having his name mentioned in the doggygate bungs scandal.
I think the point is they appear to be assembling a coaching team - in Clarke, Bond and Marchesi - that has experience and credibility; that has been around the block a few times. Bond has been highly talked of for a while as a no-nonsense defensive coach ... Isn't that what we need?
Highly talked of by whom? Where has he been a successful defensive coach?
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even if that is a moot point, surely this lot are an upgrade on anything we have had in the last five years?
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Pity they can't find a place for Eric. ...obviously miles away from B6
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Is his middle name short for Diane?
Diablo
Speak of the Devil?! ;-)
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Apols if this has been covered but why no pics, videos or interviews on the OS?
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Apols if this has been covered but why no pics, videos or interviews on the OS?
I'm guessing the owner is on his way.
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Apols if this has been covered but why no pics, videos or interviews on the OS?
Some of the club's media staff have been made redundant this week maybe the reason ?? or Robbie is on holiday ???
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Apols if this has been covered but why no pics, videos or interviews on the OS?
Some of the club's media staff have been made redundant this week maybe the reason ?? or Robbie is on holiday ???
He was at Bodymoor Heath yesterday
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So nothing further on Steve Clarke then? worrying isn't it.
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So nothing further on Steve Clarke then? worrying isn't it.
What's worrying about it?
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Best of luck to the new management team. More impressed by Clarke than Di Matteo but looking forward to a new era at Villa Park. Some early signings would be great
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Why are people so taken with the appointment of Kevin Bond? He seems to have sent most of his post-playing career coat-tailing Harry Redknapp in mostly unsuccessful stints as various clubs or getting a quiet exit from Newcastle after having his name mentioned in the doggygate bungs scandal.
I think the point is they appear to be assembling a coaching team - in Clarke, Bond and Marchesi - that has experience and credibility; that has been around the block a few times. Bond has been highly talked of for a while as a no-nonsense defensive coach ... Isn't that what we need?
Highly talked of by whom? Where has he been a successful defensive coach?
Well, he worked at Portsmouth during their better days; Sourhampton and Wt Spam; to name a few. I recall players citing him as a decent coach.
He probably doesn't have Clarke's reputation as a coach but it seems to me that as a coaching team there is a good mix of personality and experience. Possibly lacking is a forward coach, but maybe Sir BL will have some involvement.
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Parkes has gone. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-part-ways-coach-11427808
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Ironic really that his name describes the level at which he coached Guzan down to. Another one gets a payoff for failure.
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Ironic really that his name describes the level at which he coached Guzan down to. Another one gets a payoff for failure.
Has any coach - in any sport - ever had a more negative impact on the player he is paid to coach than Parkes?
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Ironic really that his name describes the level at which he coached Guzan down to. Another one gets a payoff for failure.
Has any coach - in any sport - ever had a more negative impact on the player he is paid to coach than Parkes?
For me, the whole defence was woeful, not just Guzan.
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Ironic really that his name describes the level at which he coached Guzan down to. Another one gets a payoff for failure.
Has any coach - in any sport - ever had a more negative impact on the player he is paid to coach than Parkes?
For me, the whole defence was woeful, not just Guzan.
Of course, the entire team were total shite, this was just an observation on Parkes' impact.
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Why are people so taken with the appointment of Kevin Bond? He seems to have sent most of his post-playing career coat-tailing Harry Redknapp in mostly unsuccessful stints as various clubs or getting a quiet exit from Newcastle after having his name mentioned in the doggygate bungs scandal.
I think the point is they appear to be assembling a coaching team - in Clarke, Bond and Marchesi - that has experience and credibility; that has been around the block a few times. Bond has been highly talked of for a while as a no-nonsense defensive coach ... Isn't that what we need?
Highly talked of by whom? Where has he been a successful defensive coach?
Well, he worked at Portsmouth during their better days; Sourhampton and Wt Spam; to name a few. I recall players citing him as a decent coach.
He probably doesn't have Clarke's reputation as a coach but it seems to me that as a coaching team there is a good mix of personality and experience. Possibly lacking is a forward coach, but maybe Sir BL will have some involvement.
He was only briefly at West Ham and it wasn't as coach, I don't think either Portsmouth or Southampton benefitted from his and Redknapp's flitting to and fro and his last gig was QPR. I am not at all sure why we are employing him.
US Gridiron teams employ specialist coaches and I have no idea why we don't do the same, other than 30 odd years ago most clubs did not have a great deal of money. So employing a defensive coach is a good move. I just don't think Bond will keep off the Wanker pile very long.
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Ironic really that his name describes the level at which he coached Guzan down to. Another one gets a payoff for failure.
Has any coach - in any sport - ever had a more negative impact on the player he is paid to coach than Parkes?
For me, the whole defence was woeful, not just Guzan.
Of course, the entire team were total shite, this was just an observation on Parkes' impact.
I'm not sure even De Gea with a decent coach would have kept us up.
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Parkes has gone. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-part-ways-coach-11427808
Good, his arrival coincided with the downward motion of Guzan's form. It might be unrelated but that's not a risk I'd be prepared to take.
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Steve Clarke has reportedly said he expects to be in place as Assistant to Di Matteo on Monday
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Parkes has gone. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-part-ways-coach-11427808
Good, his arrival coincided with the downward motion of Guzan's form. It might be unrelated but that's not a risk I'd be prepared to take.
Guzan's form was on the way down a long time before Parkes turned up. The errors and indecision started to creep in towards the end of Lambert's 2nd season.
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Best of luck to the new management team. More impressed by Clarke than Di Matteo but looking forward to a new era at Villa Park. Some early signings would be great
Early signings and the departure of some others are a prerequisite. There will be no better way of securing more season ticket sales, including me, than making 2 or 3 astute signings
Given where we are, the managerial and coaching appointments are fine by me.
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Parkes has gone. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-part-ways-coach-11427808
Good, his arrival coincided with the downward motion of Guzan's form. It might be unrelated but that's not a risk I'd be prepared to take.
Good riddance, after he swore at the fans in the Trinity he should have been sacked anyway. Clown.
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Parkes has gone. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-part-ways-coach-11427808
Good, his arrival coincided with the downward motion of Guzan's form. It might be unrelated but that's not a risk I'd be prepared to take.
Guzan's form was on the way down a long time before Parkes turned up. The errors and indecision started to creep in towards the end of Lambert's 2nd season.
True but it got much worse almost immediately when he arrived and hasn't improved at all. As I say it might be a little harsh but I can't see any reason why you'd give him another chance.
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Would be better for all concerned if RDM could bring in a new keeper.
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Parkes has gone. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-part-ways-coach-11427808
Good, his arrival coincided with the downward motion of Guzan's form. It might be unrelated but that's not a risk I'd be prepared to take.
Guzan's form was on the way down a long time before Parkes turned up. The errors and indecision started to creep in towards the end of Lambert's 2nd season.
True but it got much worse almost immediately when he arrived and hasn't improved at all. As I say it might be a little harsh but I can't see any reason why you'd give him another chance.
I'm certainly not sticking up for Parkes as he appears to have done nothing since he came here. I think Guzan's form is a separate issue.
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
There are worse crimes. But not many.
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
There are worse crimes. But not many.
No doubt whilst simultaneously continuing to refer to 'Ciaran Clarke.'
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
There are worse crimes. But not many.
No doubt whilst simultaneously continuing to refer to 'Ciaran Clarke.'
And saying "can I get"
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
There are worse crimes. But not many.
No doubt whilst simultaneously continuing to refer to 'Ciaran Clarke.'
And saying "can I get"
That one should carry the death penalty.
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A youth in our Sainsbury's Local handed me my change and said "cheers boy".
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I didn't realise you were a ruddy cheeked Street urchin Chris?
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A youth in our Sainsbury's Local handed me my change and said "cheers boy".
Better not go to Cork Chris, everyone is addressed as Boy down there, irrespective of age.
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A youth in our Sainsbury's Local handed me my change and said "cheers boy".
Better not go to Cork Chris, everyone is addressed as Boy down there, irrespective of age.
Same in Naarfolk
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
There are worse crimes. But not many.
No doubt whilst simultaneously continuing to refer to 'Ciaran Clarke.'
And saying "can I get"
I think this has been said before. I still don't see why it is wrong or indeed what the correct version would be.
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Why are people so taken with the appointment of Kevin Bond? He seems to have sent most of his post-playing career coat-tailing Harry Redknapp in mostly unsuccessful stints as various clubs or getting a quiet exit from Newcastle after having his name mentioned in the doggygate bungs scandal.
I think the point is they appear to be assembling a coaching team - in Clarke, Bond and Marchesi - that has experience and credibility; that has been around the block a few times. Bond has been highly talked of for a while as a no-nonsense defensive coach ... Isn't that what we need?
Highly talked of by whom? Where has he been a successful defensive coach?
Well, he worked at Portsmouth during their better days; Sourhampton and Wt Spam; to name a few. I recall players citing him as a decent coach.
He probably doesn't have Clarke's reputation as a coach but it seems to me that as a coaching team there is a good mix of personality and experience. Possibly lacking is a forward coach, but maybe Sir BL will have some involvement.
He was only briefly at West Ham and it wasn't as coach, I don't think either Portsmouth or Southampton benefitted from his and Redknapp's flitting to and fro and his last gig was QPR. I am not at all sure why we are employing him.
US Gridiron teams employ specialist coaches and I have no idea why we don't do the same, other than 30 odd years ago most clubs did not have a great deal of money. So employing a defensive coach is a good move. I just don't think Bond will keep off the Wanker pile very long.
Lets wait and see.
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
There are worse crimes. But not many.
No doubt whilst simultaneously continuing to refer to 'Ciaran Clarke.'
And saying "can I get"
That one should carry the death penalty.
I agree.
Only problem is there would only be members of H&V left on the planet.
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A youth in our Sainsbury's Local handed me my change and said "cheers boy".
I took my oldest son for something to eat, the waiting staff called me 'sir' - which normally I hate - but made up for it by referring to my son as 'mate', 'pal' and 'feller'. He was so embarrassed, it was brilliant.
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
There are worse crimes. But not many.
No doubt whilst simultaneously continuing to refer to 'Ciaran Clarke.'
And saying "can I get"
That one should carry the death penalty.
I agree.
Only problem is there would only be members of H&V left on the planet.
Still, at least Learner's gone.
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has he? It's not been signed over yet
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
There are worse crimes. But not many.
No doubt whilst simultaneously continuing to refer to 'Ciaran Clarke.'
And saying "can I get"
That one should carry the death penalty.
I agree.
Only problem is there would only be members of H&V left on the planet.
Still, at least Learner's gone.
Yeah, but Guzman and Kovac are still here.
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A youth in our Sainsbury's Local handed me my change and said "cheers boy".
I took my oldest son for something to eat, the waiting staff called me 'sir' - which normally I hate - but made up for it by referring to my son as 'mate', 'pal' and 'feller'. He was so embarrassed, it was brilliant.
Remember my daughter thinking it was amazing that a waiter called me 'sir', she asked if I was famous or important.
I miss those days, today she sent me a message with a picture of a bell and the word 'end'.
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
There are worse crimes. But not many.
No doubt whilst simultaneously continuing to refer to 'Ciaran Clarke.'
And saying "can I get"
I think this has been said before. I still don't see why it is wrong or indeed what the correct version would be.
May I have. You are asking for something to be served to you. Can I get insinuates that you are planning to get it yourself.
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
There are worse crimes. But not many.
No doubt whilst simultaneously continuing to refer to 'Ciaran Clarke.'
And saying "can I get"
I think this has been said before. I still don't see why it is wrong or indeed what the correct version would be.
'I would like.......'
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Heard on the radio earlier that the Championship will be one of only three leagues in Europe to have two Champions League winning Managers playing their trade in it next season, with the Premier League and La Liga being the other two. They then went and spoilt it by saying they didn't think we would be anywhere near promotion next season.
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
There are worse crimes. But not many.
No doubt whilst simultaneously continuing to refer to 'Ciaran Clarke.'
And saying "can I get"
I think this has been said before. I still don't see why it is wrong or indeed what the correct version would be.
May I have. You are asking for something to be served to you. Can I get insinuates that you are planning to get it yourself.
Except it really doesn't anymore. Language evolves and, thanks to friends, that particular phrase is much more commonly used now to ask to be served something and so that's what it now means.
The only exception I'd make to this rule (i.e. that use determines meaning) is officially defining a word to have both it's original meaning and an alternative contradictory meaning, it does happen a lot (wicked and literally are 2 easy examples which have contradictory dictionary definitions) but it's making the language intentionally confusing which is a strange decision.
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
There are worse crimes. But not many.
No doubt whilst simultaneously continuing to refer to 'Ciaran Clarke.'
And saying "can I get"
I think this has been said before. I still don't see why it is wrong or indeed what the correct version would be.
May I have. You are asking for something to be served to you. Can I get insinuates that you are planning to get it yourself.
No no no. I will get points to an action. Can I get is questioning merely the possibility and ability. Can I get a sock? Well yes you know where they are, you can walk, you have mastered the art of opening a draw and getting a sock out of it ( as well as 30 other things you untidy sod). Can I get a house on the moon tomorrow? No there aren't any.
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No no no no no. Language evolving by people saying it incorrectly has no truck with me.
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No no no no. You don't love me yes I know now.
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I thought irony is what I used to get creases out of shirts
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"Can I get" is fucking horrible.
Yes, language evolves. Sometimes in a horrible way. Like when people say "Can I get ..", as if they think they're surf dudes in San Francisco rather than buying a grande cappuccino in Redditch.
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Amen brother
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No no no no. You don't love me yes I know now.
Get on your knees and pray boy
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"Can I get" is fucking horrible.
Yes, language evolves. Sometimes in a horrible way. Like when people say "Can I get ..", as if they think they're surf dudes in San Francisco rather than buying a grande cappuccino in Redditch.
"Can I get a deconstructed coffee" actually works. Even so, the death penalty with no right of appeal would apply.
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"Can I get" is fucking horrible.
Yes, language evolves. Sometimes in a horrible way. Like when people say "Can I get ..", as if they think they're surf dudes in San Francisco rather than buying a grande cappuccino in Redditch.
"Can I get a deconstructed coffee" actually works. Even so, the death penalty with no right of appeal would apply.
It's one of the most irritating expressions in common use today.
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No no, no no no no, no no no no, no no there's no limit.
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I'm guilty of 'can I get' and if there's anything I want in life it is to be accepted by H&V, so what should I say?
"Can I have...?"
"Can you get me...?"
I won't be able to sleep tonight until I know the correct way to ask for a drink!
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My only misgiving about the new managerial team is that we can look forward to x number of years of people calling him 'Clark.'
There are worse crimes. But not many.
No doubt whilst simultaneously continuing to refer to 'Ciaran Clarke.'
And saying "can I get"
I think this has been said before. I still don't see why it is wrong or indeed what the correct version would be.
May I have. You are asking for something to be served to you. Can I get insinuates that you are planning to get it yourself.
You perhaps can but might not...
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either of those are good.
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Almost as puzzling as words that mean the opposite of themselves like "quite" and "cleave" is the problem I wrestle with on an almost daily basis. To whit. If somebody opens an automatic door for you do you say "thank you"?
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Heard on the radio earlier that the Championship will be one of only three leagues in Europe to have two Champions League winning Managers playing their trade in it next season, with the Premier League and La Liga being the other two. They then went and spoilt it by saying they didn't think we would be anywhere near promotion next season.
We are going to piss on a lot of bonfires next season. I am really looking forward to it.
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I'm guilty of 'can I get' and if there's anything I want in life it is to be accepted by H&V, so what should I say?
"Can I have...?"
"Can you get me...?"
I won't be able to sleep tonight until I know the correct way to ask for a drink!
'May I have' is correct and convinces people that you are either a member of the royal family or Penelope Keith
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My mate (London City type) says when ordering "I'll take the....." Drives me demented!
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Heard on the radio earlier that the Championship will be one of only three leagues in Europe to have two Champions League winning Managers playing their trade in it next season, with the Premier League and La Liga being the other two. They then went and spoilt it by saying they didn't think we would be anywhere near promotion next season.
We are going to piss on a lot of bonfires next season. I am really looking forward to it.
I really hope so .On Talksport earlier they were saying what potentially a good partnerships DiMatteo and Clarke could be but the problem is that they are managing Aston Villa ???? They went onto say Newcastle were nailed on to win the league
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Heard on the radio earlier that the Championship will be one of only three leagues in Europe to have two Champions League winning Managers playing their trade in it next season, with the Premier League and La Liga being the other two. They then went and spoilt it by saying they didn't think we would be anywhere near promotion next season.
We are going to piss on a lot of bonfires next season. I am really looking forward to it.
Amen to that.
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I'm guilty of 'can I get' and if there's anything I want in life it is to be accepted by H&V, so what should I say?
"Can I have...?"
"Can you get me...?"
I won't be able to sleep tonight until I know the correct way to ask for a drink!
Just stick with what you know, it's perfectly acceptable English and everyone will know what you mean, you use it and don't see it as wrong because of that, so why change because a bunch of miserable arses on the internet don't like it? I don't particularly like it as a phrase (and I can be a right miserable arse) but you shouldn't feel ashamed or wrong for using a common expression in a commonly used way. That's ju st how English works and it's why it's the primary language on the planet.
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I will get points to an action.
This bit is, well, gibberish Peter.
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After chinese
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I will get points to an action.
This bit is, well, gibberish Peter.
'I will get' points to an action. Just laziness on my part.
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Heard on the radio earlier that the Championship will be one of only three leagues in Europe to have two Champions League winning Managers playing their trade in it next season, with the Premier League and La Liga being the other two. They then went and spoilt it by saying they didn't think we would be anywhere near promotion next season.
We are going to piss on a lot of bonfires next season. I am really looking forward to it.
I really hope so .On Talksport earlier they were saying what potentially a good partnerships DiMatteo and Clarke could be but the problem is that they are managing Aston Villa ???? They went onto say Newcastle were nailed on to win the league
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there just trying to get a bite, to fill their dower time slot, miserable gits
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Heard on the radio earlier that the Championship will be one of only three leagues in Europe to have two Champions League winning Managers playing their trade in it next season, with the Premier League and La Liga being the other two. They then went and spoilt it by saying they didn't think we would be anywhere near promotion next season.
We are going to piss on a lot of bonfires next season. I am really looking forward to it.
Amen to that.
Agreed. I look forward to being smug when we methophrocially tea bag this league.
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I'm all for Newcastle being 'nailed on' to win the league with Super Rafa. All the expectation, all the pressure, but Ashley still the owner, and the man who took them down still picking the team.
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Just stick with what you know, it's perfectly acceptable English
It's perfectly acceptable American English that is now becoming widespread in British English. Like the past participle 'snuck' often replaces 'sneaked'.
That said, "Can I get" should always be met with a swift kick to the goolies.
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I will get points to an action.
This bit is, well, gibberish Peter.
'I will get' points to an action. Just laziness on my part.
This is not a satisfactory explanation of effect of the modal "will" on the relationship between subject and predicate.
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now becoming is the the bit that I'm really against, this has been used in the UK for at least 20 years, it's not a new thing.
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Just stick with what you know, it's perfectly acceptable English
It's perfectly acceptable American English that is now becoming widespread in British English. Like the past participle 'snuck' often replaces 'sneaked'.
That said, "Can I get" should always be met with a swift kick to the goolies.
goolies bit American for me, you mean Bolox
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I'm all for Newcastle being 'nailed on' to win the league with Super Rafa. All the expectation, all the pressure, but Ashley still the owner, and the man who took them down still picking the team.
Hopefully their players are as complacent as their fans and the media. I think they're in for a rude awakening. Apart from anything they seem to be assuming that their better players will stay.
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I'm all for Newcastle being 'nailed on' to win the league with Super Rafa. All the expectation, all the pressure, but Ashley still the owner, and the man who took them down still picking the team.
Hopefully their players are as complacent as their fans and the media. I think they're in for a rude awakening. Apart from anything they seem to be assuming that their better players will stay.
I seem to remember them being a pile of shit, apart from anything else.
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They couldn't even beat us!
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Just stick with what you know, it's perfectly acceptable English
It's perfectly acceptable American English that is now becoming widespread in British English. Like the past participle 'snuck' often replaces 'sneaked'.
That said, "Can I get" should always be met with a swift kick to the goolies.
goolies bit American for me, you mean Bolox
Bollocks. Goolies comes from Hindi. I am a Wikipedia expert.
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... Ayew had a horrible attitude in the premiership
Really? Yes, he got sent off at the Spammers but I didn't see much evidence of "horrible attitude".
Booking in 94th minute at Norwich which meant he missed the game at Sunderland which was massive and the constant shrugs. If he wants off, let him go IMO
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Just stick with what you know, it's perfectly acceptable English
It's perfectly acceptable American English that is now becoming widespread in British English. Like the past participle 'snuck' often replaces 'sneaked'.
That said, "Can I get" should always be met with a swift kick to the goolies.
goolies bit American for me, you mean Bolox
Bollocks. Goolies comes from Hindi. I am a Wikipedia expert.
Thank you, we shud all speak more gooder inglish.
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I will get points to an action.
This bit is, well, gibberish Peter.
'I will get' points to an action. Just laziness on my part.
This is not a satisfactory explanation of effect of the modal "will" on the relationship between subject and predicate.
I have no idea what you have just said (wrote).
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... Ayew had a horrible attitude in the premiership
Really? Yes, he got sent off at the Spammers but I didn't see much evidence of "horrible attitude".
Horrible attitude? Never seen it myself only a look of being pissed off if we didn't win which was very often.
I wished the rest of the squad had Ayew's 'horrible' attitude. If we had that we certainly wouldn't have been in the mess we got into.
Give me a team of Ayews over a team of grinning Bacunas every time.
The guy has talent, unlike Bacuna. However his attitude stunk at times to me, but perhaps that was partly cos of the shite that was going on.
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I will get points to an action.
This bit is, well, gibberish Peter.
'I will get' points to an action. Just laziness on my part.
This is not a satisfactory explanation of effect of the modal "will" on the relationship between subject and predicate.
I have no idea what you have just said (wrote).
You don't really need to know about things such as epistemic, deontic, radical and dynamic modality. Or psycho-linguistic constants. But they exist.
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I will get points to an action.
This bit is, well, gibberish Peter.
'I will get' points to an action. Just laziness on my part.
This is not a satisfactory explanation of effect of the modal "will" on the relationship between subject and predicate.
I have no idea what you have just said (wrote).
You don't really need to know about things such as epistemic, deontic, radical and dynamic modality. Or psycho-linguistic constants. But they exist.
i think I now prefer punathons :)
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Punathons are so bottom of the Premiership dahling.
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They're so late May early June. When we signing someone anyway?
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Punathons are so bottom of the Premiership dahling.
Does that mean we can go back to defaming Boris now?
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now becoming is the the bit that I'm really against, this has been used in the UK for at least 20 years, it's not a new thing.
I use a universal atomic clock where man has been on earth for the equivalent of two minutes and fucked it all up.
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now becoming is the the bit that I'm really against, this has been used in the UK for at least 20 years, it's not a new thing.
I use a universal atomic clock where man has been on earth for the equivalent of two minutes and fucked it all up.
an universal clock ?
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When growing up in the 00's I had a strong amount of wonderful 'street' lingo creeping in to the way us yoots spoke so atleast you didn't have to contend with sayings such as 'you're chatting bare/bear(?) shit' and 'Am I boat'.
Ya gets me bruv.
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Personally, I don't give a fuck how anyone says anything as long as I can understand what they are saying. I can't stand the word 'gotten' though.
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I hate 'can i get' as well. Anyone saying it should be either deported or set on fire.
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Or both.
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My modern day hate is preserved for people asking "Would you like a bag today?", or "Will you be having dessert with us today?".
Don't know why but these little, forced familiarities wind me up!
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My modern day hate is preserved for people asking "Would you like a bag today?", or "Will you be having dessert with us today?".
Don't know why but these little, forced familiarities wind me up!
Or, once I have a mouthful of food, a member of the serving staff coming over and asking, 'Is everything alright with your meal?'.
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So is Can I have more acceptable to Can I get？
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So is Can I have more acceptable to Can I get？
I believe the controversy surrounds the use of "can" in place of "may".
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in gastropubs particularly, I can't abide the waiting staff saying 'how are we doing guys? Everything ok for you?' or variations along the same lines. It's always at an inappropriate moment and almost invariably they say it when men and women are present. An Americanism too far.
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What winds me up , and we'll hear it more in an Olympic years is how podium has become a verb as in 'to podium'. Hear it in F1 too. Cringeworthy.
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My modern day hate is preserved for people asking "Would you like a bag today?", or "Will you be having dessert with us today?".
Don't know why but these little, forced familiarities wind me up!
Oh yes, agree totally.
'Would you like a bag today?'
'No, I'm going to carry the 20 items I've just bought in my hands'.
I know it's what they're told to say, but still grates.
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Surely as it now costs to have a bag its a fair question !?
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Surely as it now costs to have a bag its a fair question !?
Especially seeing as they're trying to encourage people to take bags with them, they really don't have much choice on this one.
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I hate 'can i get' as well. Anyone saying it should be either deported or set on fire.
you'd probably explode after living in Australia for 6 months then Clampy.
And once you 'get' what you've asked for, you're told the price with a preface of 'just'
I.e. Can I get a pint of xxxx thanks? (not please)
That's just 14 dollars. (No please or thanks in this instance, maybe after the notes change hands and the oversized coins comprising the change are returned, if you're lucky, you might get a thanks at this point. Probably not a smile though).
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Team GB.
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My modern day hate is preserved for people asking "Would you like a bag today?", or "Will you be having dessert with us today?".
Don't know why but these little, forced familiarities wind me up!
Oh yes, agree totally.
'Would you like a bag today?'
'No, I'm going to carry the 20 items I've just bought in my hands'.
I know it's what they're told to say, but still grates.
Yep, me as well. I brought a shirt the other day and I was asked if I wanted a bag. I know it's law now but it just feels wrong.
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now becoming is the the bit that I'm really against, this has been used in the UK for at least 20 years, it's not a new thing.
I use a universal atomic clock where man has been on earth for the equivalent of two minutes and fucked it all up.
an universal clock ?
No. A universal clock. Say it aloud with 'a' then 'an'. Then try it with 'university', 'unisex salon', and 'useless striker'. Then do the same with, 'underground passage, and 'unruly mob'. You should be able to infer how it works.
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My modern day hate is preserved for people asking "Would you like a bag today?", or "Will you be having dessert with us today?".
Don't know why but these little, forced familiarities wind me up!
Oh yes, agree totally.
'Would you like a bag today?'
'No, I'm going to carry the 20 items I've just bought in my hands'.
I know it's what they're told to say, but still grates.
Yep, me as well. I brought a shirt the other day and I was asked if I wanted a bag. I know it's law now but it just feels wrong.
I know what you mean. Yesterday I spent £80 on a jacket and asked if I wanted a bag. Of course I did as I didn't want to roll up the new jacket and put it in with the rest of my shopping or in an old bag I would have had to bring with me. Having spent £80, the 5p was insignificant in monetary value (why couldn't the shop discount the jacket to £79.95!) but the principle is just wrong. I can understand the principle with supermarket shopping where at one time you could walk out with a dozen thin plastic bags after a shop but when proper packaging is required, this should be a different matter. As that's now of my chest, I will go back to the Sunday papers to see which country is at war or people dying of disease or famine.
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I hate 'can i get' as well. Anyone saying it should be either deported or set on fire.
Me too. My 35 year old daughter seems to try to use it in any given situation.
A couple of weeks ago I heard a girl ask if she could "get a large Sauvignon Blanc" but the barman told her "no, I'll get it for you". I thought this was quite funny.
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I hate 'can i get' as well. Anyone saying it should be either deported or set on fire.
Me too. My 35 year old daughter seems to try to use it in any given situation.
A couple of weeks ago I heard a girl ask if she could "get a large Sauvignon Blanc" but the barman told her "no, I'll get it for you". I thought this was quite funny.
Bravo.
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Two things to do with desserts in restaurants which piss me off.
1. The "Oh go on, live a little!" look from waiter when waiting to be told whether or not you are having dessert.
2. When there are two of you, and only one orders dessert, the waiter saying "Shall i bring two spoons?" with a conspiratorial look.
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My modern day hate is preserved for people asking "Would you like a bag today?", or "Will you be having dessert with us today?".
Don't know why but these little, forced familiarities wind me up!
Oh yes, agree totally.
'Would you like a bag today?'
'No, I'm going to carry the 20 items I've just bought in my hands'.
I know it's what they're told to say, but still grates.
Yep, me as well. I brought a shirt the other day and I was asked if I wanted a bag. I know it's law now but it just feels wrong.
Bought.
*wink*
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I hate 'can i get' as well. Anyone saying it should be either deported or set on fire.
Me too. My 35 year old daughter seems to try to use it in any given situation.
A couple of weeks ago I heard a girl ask if she could "get a large Sauvignon Blanc" but the barman told her "no, I'll get it for you". I thought this was quite funny.
Stems back to Friends. Cf the takeover thread before it got back on topic.
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It might be right, but it irritates me when I hear particular nationalities being referred to. Two that really irritate me are the 'Swiss' and the 'Portuguese'. For example, you might hear it being used in a sentence about Roger Federer like "The Swiss has made it through to the final" or about Ronaldo in a sentence like "The Portugeuse is out injured". It isn't used with nationalities like English and surely it needs a word after like "player" or "man".
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Surely as it now costs to have a bag its a fair question !?
Then the 'today' is superfluous.
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Two things to do with desserts in restaurants which piss me off.
1. The "Oh go on, live a little!" look from waiter when waiting to be told whether or not you are having dessert.
2. When there are two of you, and only one orders dessert, the waiter saying "Shall i bring two spoons?" with a conspiratorial look.
When they look at the size of me they know not to bother asking the spoon question.
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A waiter comment that grates with me is to be served with the word "enjoy". Do you mean " I hope you enjoy that"? To which the legitimate reply might be "is there any reason why I should not?"
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Doesn't anybody know why Steve Clarke's appointment has not been confirmed yet. What's the hold up?
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Doesn't anybody know why Steve Clarke's appointment has not been confirmed yet. What's the hold up?
It's Sunday and the sun is shining.
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Two things to do with desserts in restaurants which piss me off.
1. The "Oh go on, live a little!" look from waiter when waiting to be told whether or not you are having dessert.
2. When there are two of you, and only one orders dessert, the waiter saying "Shall i bring two spoons?" with a conspiratorial look.
When they look at the size of me they know not to bother asking the spoon question.
It pisses me off when we order 2 desserts and the waiter doesn't stop to ask what I want.
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Doesn't anybody know why Steve Clarke's appointment has not been confirmed yet. What's the hold up?
he's turned it down and will instead take up a spot as pool cleaner in Malaga. How low we 'ave sunk.
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Bond and Ed de Guey are rumoured to be first team and goalkeeping coach respectively.
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Surely as it now costs to have a bag its a fair question !?
Then the 'today' is superfluous.
That's the bit that gets me. There's an implication that I may be stupid enough to stuff my pockets with a week's shopping and then come back for the bag tomorrow when my hands are free.
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I've don't remember De Goey at all for some reason but he was Chelsea number one before Cudicini while RDM was there evidently.
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Doesn't anybody know why Steve Clarke's appointment has not been confirmed yet. What's the hold up?
Today's not Monday.
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I've don't remember De Goey at all for some reason but he was Chelsea number one before Cudicini while RDM was there evidently.
The Dutch Steve Ogrizovic. A beautiful, beautiful man.
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I've don't remember De Goey at all for some reason but he was Chelsea number one before Cudicini while RDM was there evidently.
The Dutch Steve Ogrizovic. A beautiful, beautiful man.
Whenever I think of Steve Ogrizovic - and I'll be honest, it's not often - I recall throwing snowballs at him.
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Whenever I think of Steve Ogrizovic - and I'll be honest, it's not often - I recall him taking Viv Richards's wicket.
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Doesn't anybody know why Steve Clarke's appointment has not been confirmed yet. What's the hold up?
he's turned it down and will instead take up a spot as pool cleaner in Malaga. How low we 'ave sunk.
I suppose not as low as cleaning pools in Lanzarote.
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I've don't remember De Goey at all for some reason but he was Chelsea number one before Cudicini while RDM was there evidently.
He's the one who looks like a depressive porn star
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I wonder if there's any chance that Di Matteo will hire Eva Carneiro as club doctor.
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I wonder if there's any chance that Di Matteo will hire Eva Carneiro as club doctor.
Gets my vote
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I wonder if there's any chance that Di Matteo will hire Eva Carneiro as club doctor.
Gets my vote
If he does, then he'd better get Gabby a vasectomy.
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I wonder if there's any chance that Di Matteo will hire Eva Carneiro as club doctor.
Gets my vote
If he does, then he'd better get Gabby a vasectomy.
Take a look at her; take a look at him. I don't think she will be I wonder if there's any chance that Di Matteo will hire Eva Carneiro as club doctor.
Gets my vote
If he does, then he'd better get Gabby a vasectomy.
Not sure how that would affect his behaviour. Probably no vas deferens
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Maybe they could re-route it to his brain; then he may be able to f**k some sense into himself.
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I wonder if there's any chance that Di Matteo will hire Eva Carneiro as club doctor.
Gets my vote
If he does, then he'd better get Gabby a vasectomy.
Take a look at her; take a look at him. I don't think she will be I wonder if there's any chance that Di Matteo will hire Eva Carneiro as club doctor.
Gets my vote
If he does, then he'd better get Gabby a vasectomy.
Not sure how that would affect his behaviour. Probably no vas deferens
Oooooh!
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Whenever I think of Steve Ogrizovic - and I'll be honest, it's not often - I recall him taking Viv Richards's wicket.
whenever I think of Steve Ogrizovic - and I'll be honest, it's not often - I recall him scoring a goal directly from a goal kick. A bit like us last season, it was the only way Coventry ever looked like scoring.
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I've don't remember De Goey at all for some reason but he was Chelsea number one before Cudicini while RDM was there evidently.
If owners look like their pets then De Goey would have owned a walrus
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Can't make our keepers any worse than Parks has. He started ok, but last season they were both a bag of nerves much of the time.
Bond and Clarke make a lot of sense when you think about the dressing room issues. 2 very experienced coaches.
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When you're the last line of a defence that fell asleep at least once every 45 minutes and a tootlhlees attack, I think I would be nervous too. The best goalkeeper coach in the world couldn't have changed that.
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When you're the last line of a defence that fell asleep at least once every 45 minutes and a tootlhlees attack, I think I would be nervous too. The best goalkeeper coach in the world couldn't have changed that.
i don't think I have seen a Villa goalie look as nervous or be as bereft of confidence as Guzan since John Phillips. For his own sake he needs to leave, I doubt a better coach will change things much for him at Villa Park.
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I've don't remember De Goey at all for some reason but he was Chelsea number one before Cudicini while RDM was there evidently.
If owners look like their pets then De Goey would have owned a walrus
Did he have a massive penis?
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Can I get a quick précis on what's going down on the old thready-wed?
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So has Clarke signed officially?
Same for Kevin Bond?
Is there a press conference due?
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So has Clarke signed officially?
Same for Kevin Bond?
Is there a press conference due?
No, to all three questions. Not yet.
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Confirmed on official site now.
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ASTON VILLA FOOTBALL CLUB is pleased to announce manager Roberto Di Matteo's backroom team.
Steve Clarke is the new assistant manager having managed both West Bromwich Albion and Reading and been assistant manager at Newcastle United, Chelsea, West Ham United and Liverpool.
Kevin Bond, who worked for Tottenham Hotspur, Portsmouth, Newcastle United, Southampton, Bournemouth and Queens Park Rangers, is first-team coach.
Italian Massimo Battara comes on board as goalkeeping coach following spells at Napoli, Fiorentina, Inter Milan, Manchester City and Schalke 04.
And his countryman Massimiliano Marchesi, who has worked at Inter Milan as well as spending 10 years in Saudi Arabia, has been appointed the Club's new fitness coach.
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The new GK coach has been named too as has the fitness coach. All on the OS
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happy with these appointments, good luck to them all at the Villa
UTV
The Doc
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Not a bad package. Onwards and upwards.
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This looks on paper like a proper set up! Here's hoping..
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Have Sid and Kev Mac been dispensed with?
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Looks a good, balanced team. The sheikh of muscles will have his work cut out with Flabby
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Marchesi, nice. That'll do nicely.
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for the first time in a few years - qualified and experienced staff. I'm optimistic.
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Excellent a proper coaching staff.
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Good stuff.
Now let's crack on with some signings and getting rid of players although needs takeover to be rubber stamped so who knows when that will be confirmed.
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Looks very promising, lets just hope that they are able to deliver what we all want
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Impressive looking coaching side. Premier League quality.
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He's a fool if he doesn't want to use Eric Black's experience.
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Well, there's nothing about him gone yet so maybe he will be our director of football. It would be madness to throw away all that knowledge and experience.
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All 37 years of it. Eric knows best.
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Very happy - the backroom staff is even more important than the manager (looking at our last few years). These guys have good experience and come with a pretty good pedigree. Now to get rid of the dross on the field.
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Surely as it now costs to have a bag its a fair question !?
It's not so much asking if I want a bag, I'm all in favour of the charging for bags, it's the annoying little "today" on the end. Same with restaurants "Are you having a pudding with us today?". Hard to explain but it's forced and artificial sounding.
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Finally!
Any news on a press conference as of yet?
Got to be soon?
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That's as solid as set up as we have hoped for. A professional coaching staff and a proper fitness coach. We now just need the ownership change formalised and give Di Matteo the freedom to make the changes he needs. We are Aston Villa and with a change in atmosphere, direction and purpose we can get the ship turned around.
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How can anyone put a line up like that together without the club being sold being as good as done. Also adding to that (speculation I know) but you would think that they would have all heard first hand about the "project" and what funds would be available.
This has to be a positive sign - doesn't it ;)
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He's a fool if he doesn't want to use Eric Black's experience.
35 years experience wasted FFS!
Welcome gentlemen, you are truly privileged that you have been afforded the opportunity to manage this great club.
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The Team Sky chap, Brailsford, identified that they were better off investing their money in coaches rather than one hero riders, as the small improvement was spread across the whole team rather than having one star player to carry the team. It makes sense too, an extra £1m/season on coaches should make a tiny improvement to 20-30 players whereas an extra squad player (i.e. a 20k/week player) may not even play.
Hopefully, these appointments are an indication that villa will be following the same approach. The fitness guy in particular has an impressive CV.
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He's a fool if he doesn't want to use Eric Black's experience.
Surely Black's going to replace Pep in Munich?
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im happy with that set up . looking forward to the coming season .
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That's the management team in place, now start buying and selling!! Positive management team.
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He's a fool if he doesn't want to use Eric Black's experience.
Surely Black's going to replace Pep in Munich?
It's entirely possible. I imagine Black to be a like a kid who is turning 4 and has one of those I am 4 badges on. Black proudly wears his 37 years badge like a fucking Olympic gong. I have no doubt he will be able to sell himself and his record at Villa by flashing that thing a few times.
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None of those would have come if there was any doubt about finances.
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None of those would have come if there was any doubt about finances.
As far as I can tell they were all out of work, so I wouldn't be so sure.
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Correct. They would all need assurances about the future. None of this would have come together if they weren't certain that they had the required structure to be successful which very much includes decision making autonomy and financial support.
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None of those would have come if there was any doubt about finances.
They've signed contracts that say they'll get £XX thounsand per month.
The money beyond that, source, reliability is nothing that they'll think about. Christ, Bond followed Redknapp around car crashing clubs for the best part of a decade.
And in the event of it all going tits up, thanks to the "football creditors first" approach of handling administration, they'll still get their money.
None of which means it's all dodgy, just that it's no indicator that it isn't.
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None of those would have come if there was any doubt about finances.
As far as I can tell they were all out of work, so I wouldn't be so sure.
Doesn't RDM have a clause in his contract to exit should the takeover not go through?
Very happy with Clarke joining us. His experience should be invaluable.
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Well i'm still cautious. After going through a period roughly one month ago where every day brought new Villa embarrassment on R5L I just hope this doesn't lead to King/Bernstein type resignations when they find they've been duped. It just sounds too good for us not to have some sort of monumental fuck up.
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None of those would have come if there was any doubt about finances.
They've signed contracts that say they'll get £XX thounsand per month.
The money beyond that, source, reliability is nothing that they'll think about. Christ, Bond followed Redknapp around car crashing clubs for the best part of a decade.
And in the event of it all going tits up, thanks to the "football creditors first" approach of handling administration, they'll still get their money.
None of which means it's all dodgy, just that it's no indicator that it isn't.
Whilst I understand what you are saying, you really think they won't think about whether they are signing for the next Roman Abramovich or some asset stripping shysters? Of course they will have thought about it and whilst I accept they will be handsomely compensated either way, one option gives them a fantastic career opportunity and they other no end of shit. You really think they won't have thought about this or taken it into consideration? I accept they may not have have done high level corporate due diligence, but it absolutely does indicate they must be fairly confident this isn't going to be one huge clusterfuck.
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None of those would have come if there was any doubt about finances.
As far as I can tell they were all out of work, so I wouldn't be so sure.
Marchesi was employed at Inter Milan, and Battara was employed, albeit in the Indian League.
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None of those would have come if there was any doubt about finances.
They've signed contracts that say they'll get £XX thounsand per month.
The money beyond that, source, reliability is nothing that they'll think about. Christ, Bond followed Redknapp around car crashing clubs for the best part of a decade.
And in the event of it all going tits up, thanks to the "football creditors first" approach of handling administration, they'll still get their money.
None of which means it's all dodgy, just that it's no indicator that it isn't.
Whilst I understand what you are saying, you really think they won't think about whether they are signing for the next Roman Abramovich or some asset stripping shysters? Of course they will have thought about it and whilst I accept they will be handsomely compensated either way, one option gives them a fantastic career opportunity and they other no end of shit. You really think they won't have thought about this or taken it into consideration? I accept they may not have have done high level corporate due diligence, but it absolutely does indicate they must be fairly confident this isn't going to be one huge clusterfuck.
Its my hope also
Surely at that level money is not the biggest drivers, RDM was on gardening leave for around 6 months so he must have a few Bob, plus he resigned from Shalke so he is a man of principle. All these guys have ego's and they need backing with funds to match their ambitions. Even if sold a complete pup, at this time of signing up he must have seen the plans (of which Hollis said they were very exciting) and has thought he can do something here.
Please let it be so - we really cannot afford any more shit coming our way
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None of those would have come if there was any doubt about finances.
As far as I can tell they were all out of work, so I wouldn't be so sure.
Marchesi was employed at Inter Milan, and Battara was employed, albeit in the Indian League.
With none other than spoon face Platty - maybe for once spud head might have sold our club positively to someone
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That's a decent management team, but I won't feel completely happy until we get a clearer picture on the scouting side. How Riley still has a job is amazing.
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Wasn't Kevin Bond accused of bung-taking by Panorama a few years ago.?This related to when he was Harry's coach at Pompey. He threatened to sue the BBC but dropped the case
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Wasn't Kevin Bond accused of bung-taking by Panorama a few years ago.?This related to when he was Harry's coach at Pompey. He threatened to sue the BBC but dropped the case
Yes he was. He was first suspended by Newcastle, his then employer, before being having his contract terminated when all the dust died down.
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Disappointed we don't have Han Segers as goalkeeping coach.
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To be fair hiring an almost entirely new backroom staff does not seem like a trivial exercise when RDM cannot go and get his previous staff.
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Well I am very happy Steve Clarke has signed on. Not bothered about any of the others but plenty of Baggie fans enjoyed his stay there and
the type of football his team played.
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I dare say that this management team would get more of a tune out of this squad even if we did no business at all this summer. I'm sure they will bring in a couple though!
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Very happy with Clarke joining us. His experience should be invaluable.
People said the same about Ray Wilkins.
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Wilkins has problems Clarke does not have.
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It seems on paper we have a fantastic team behind the scenes. Hopefully they all work well together. It's going to be a very interesting summer with lots of comings and goings. This is actually far better than I would have hoped for at the end of last season.
I'm looking forward to see what evolves.
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Wilkins has problems Clarke does not have.
His point is still relevant though.
This isn't the first time in the last five years that we've said "at last we are putting a proper coaching structure in place".
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I hope we find a position for Ray Wilkins, maybe locked in a remote barn with half-a-dozen fierce dogs somewhere, with plenty of water but no food
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Wilkins has problems Clarke does not have.
His point is still relevant though.
This isn't the first time in the last five years that we've said "at last we are putting a proper coaching structure in place".
Anybody who said it with a straight face in the last few years needed sectioning though, to be fair.
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Wilkins has problems Clarke does not have.
His point is still relevant though.
This isn't the first time in the last five years that we've said "at last we are putting a proper coaching structure in place".
Anybody who said it with a straight face in the last few years needed sectioning though, to be fair.
Well, the reason why Clarke is such a great appointment is that he is "regarded as a really good coach" and Chelsea happened to win some trophies while he was coaching there.
Which is precisely the same justification as why Wilkins was a great appointment.
Don't get me wrong, I'm more than happy with how things have panned out on the management side. But all of this "at last, we're finally doing things the right way" has been brought out for each of the last three management teams.
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My point remains that when it was said that Wilkins was a great appointment, everything being considered, it was not. I feel the same way about the appointment of Houllier.
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The football industry all bestow praise on each other, you never hear them say that Paul Lambert is a complete wanker even though we all know he is.
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My point remains that when it was said that Wilkins was a great appointment, everything being considered, it was not.
I don't think anybody is really going to dispute that Brian.
But the reasons given for why Clarke is a great appointment, it's not the first time that those exact same reasons have been presented about a new second-in-command on these pages.
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Agree Dave. We, collectively have been too lavish in our expectations in the past and have finished up in tears under the table. I will settle for the immediate future not being as bad as the immediate past. Anything more will be a bonus.
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I will settle for the immediate future not being as bad as the immediate past. Anything more will be a bonus.
A solid "amen" to that Brian.
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It's interesting that one of things that put people off Nigel Pearson coming was the fact he'd most likely have to come without his tried and trusted backroom staff, whereas Di Matteo and Steve Clarke have never worked together before.
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As far as our managerial and backroom team, the appointments made certainly give me more confidence than I've had in most of the previous set ups we've had in Lerner's time. Hopefully they'll live up to the potential.
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It's interesting that one of things that put people off Nigel Pearson coming was the fact he'd most likely have to come without his tried and trusted backroom staff, whereas Di Matteo and Steve Clarke have never worked together before.
Have to be honest aside from Eddie Newton (surprised he hasn't been tempted to come for now) I have no idea who RDM's actual backroom staff are. Who did he work with at WBA and Schalke for example.
Kevin Bond seems more of a strange choice but again vastly experienced at least.
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It's interesting that one of things that put people off Nigel Pearson coming was the fact he'd most likely have to come without his tried and trusted backroom staff, whereas Di Matteo and Steve Clarke have never worked together before.
Have to be honest aside from Eddie Newton (surprised he hasn't been tempted to come for now) I have no idea who RDM's actual backroom staff are. Who did he work with at WBA and Schalke for example.
Kevin Bond seems more of a strange choice but again vastly experienced at least.
At Schalke he had Atillo Lombardo and Battara, he's brought the later to Villa with him.
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It's interesting that one of things that put people off Nigel Pearson coming was the fact he'd most likely have to come without his tried and trusted backroom staff, whereas Di Matteo and Steve Clarke have never worked together before.
It doesn't sound like Nigel Pearson turned us down.
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It's interesting that one of things that put people off Nigel Pearson coming was the fact he'd most likely have to come without his tried and trusted backroom staff, whereas Di Matteo and Steve Clarke have never worked together before.
That might be because Pearson's tried and trusted backroom staff appear to be absolutely critical to any chance he has of success. All the evidence points to them being the ones with the talent - they've hardly struggled without him. Personally I was put off more by him being a git than who his backroom staff would be.
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It's early days but I would much rather have Steve Clarke on board than Attillio Lombardo.
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It's interesting that one of things that put people off Nigel Pearson coming was the fact he'd most likely have to come without his tried and trusted backroom staff, whereas Di Matteo and Steve Clarke have never worked together before.
That might be because Pearson's tried and trusted backroom staff appear to be absolutely critical to any chance he has of success. All the evidence points to them being the ones with the talent - they've hardly struggled without him. Personally I was put off more by him being a git than who his backroom staff would be.
I do think that its imporant to have a backroom stuff that you are used to working with and have a good understanding. But there are ways around that. For me we should have gone for Pearson. Its not even a debate about who the better manager is out of him and Di Matteo. Its more a case of who suits the club at the moment and who ticks the most boxes for what we need, and that is Pearson. But this is not the time for that conversation, because we need to be postive and support the new coaching team and hope that the club move forward. If things don't go to plan, and Derby get promotion, then people like me can be smart then, but for now I will support the new manager, the team (whatever it looks like in August) and hope for the best.
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Very happy with Clarke joining us. His experience should be invaluable.
People said the same about Ray Wilkins.
I thought Wilkins would be a fantastic signing. I seem to remember Chelsea had a big wobble when he left. I am quite good at being wrong but that was a mistake of significant proportions.
On the subject of getting excited about backroom staff, I also seem to remember Norwich fans telling us how crucial Culverhouse and Karsa were to Lambert and how excited people were when they joined. Notice I didn't say 'we' because one thing I did get right was never thinking Lambert was any good. Mind, I wanted Rodgers at that point.
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I'm not sure we hired the same Wilkins than the one who assisted at Chelsea.
His mind is very clouded of his time here and his judgment is very questionable.
Wilkins disappeared up Tim's backside, in fact I think he's still up there.
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On the subject of getting excited about backroom staff, I also seem to remember Norwich fans telling us how crucial Culverhouse and Karsa were to Lambert and how excited people were when they joined. Notice I didn't say 'we' because one thing I did get right was never thinking Lambert was any good. Mind, I wanted Rodgers at that point.
That's also what I was referring to mike, as well as Wilkins.
Lambert / Culverhouse / Karsa was (at the time) the same proof that we were finally doing things properly.
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But Clarke had a big reputation as a number at more than one club including the league champions. Culverhouse and Karsa didn't bring the same CV and Willins had been arguably a failure at most places he went to although I may be thinking errently there. Still, for what we thought we would end up with a proven number 2 and a decent backroom set up feels like we've done a Leicester considering what we had to endure last season.
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There have been so many let downs that I think it pays to be cautious with anything Villa related. That said considered in isolation this has the appearance of a good move; experienced, solid appointments. Time will tell.
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I am as guilty as anybody on here of misjudging those coming to the club. I was one of those at Carrow Rd singing Paul Lambert's claret and blue army. However, the Paul Lambert we got became a horse of a very different colour and I now regard him, after Lerner, as the principal architect of our downfall.
What we have done, as fans and as a club, in my opinion, is turned a blind eye to glaring shortcomings of newcomers. We somehow hope that by being Aston Villa the problems will go away. O'Neill's volatility, Houllier's heart, McLeish's track record, Sherwood's perfidiousness, Garde's lack of bite and that is just managers. Add Culverhouse, Karsa, Keane, Wilkins, KMac and Black to that list and it becomes very clear that we have placed our trust in a string of individuals who have not been improved by being with us.
In conclusion the overlooking of Pearson's personality could well have added to the theme.
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But Clarke had a big reputation as a number at more than one club including the league champions. Culverhouse and Karsa didn't bring the same CV and Willins had been arguably a failure at most places he went to although I may be thinking errently there. Still, for what we thought we would end up with a proven number 2 and a decent backroom set up feels like we've done a Leicester considering what we had to endure last season.
Chelsea were successful while Wilkins was at the club with Ancelotti, like they were successful when Clarke was at the club with Mourinho.
Take the Chelsea stint out though for Clarke and he has:
Left West Ham after Zola was sacked
Sacked from Liverpool along with Kenny Dalglish
Sacked from West Brom
Sacked from Reading
None of those things by themselves (or even combined) mean that Clarke is a bad coach, just like being at Chelsea when they won things didn't make Wilkins a good coach. Good teams can have bad coaches and vice versa.
But take away his time with Mourinho a decade ago and there isn't a whole lot of evidence to fall back on apart from the "big reputation" that you mention.
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I am as guilty as anybody on here of misjudging those coming to the club. I was one of those at Carrow Rd singing Paul Lambert's claret and blue army. However, the Paul Lambert we got became a horse of a very different colour and I now regard him, after Lerner, as the principal architect of our downfall.
What we have done, as fans and as a club, in my opinion, is turned a blind eye to glaring shortcomings of newcomers. We somehow hope that by being Aston Villa the problems will go away. O'Neill's volatility, Houllier's heart, McLeish's track record, Sherwood's perfidiousness, Garde's lack of bite and that is just managers. Add Culverhouse, Karsa, Keane, Wilkins, KMac and Black to that list and it becomes very clear that we have placed our trust in a string of individuals who have not been improved by being with us.
In conclusion the overlooking of Pearson's personality could well have added to the theme.
What we can look at, is that all the failures may be down to Lerner. Because, reading between the lines, he seems to have interfered with the decisions of any-one who has tried to enforce some discipline into the set-up.
He has also dumbed down the quality of players brought in.
In my eyes, nobody had a chance to succeed but were unable to highlight the problems.
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I see your point Gordon but some of the appointments like Keane were just a joke. I agree that the fundamental cause of our demise has been Randy Lerner but there have been, in my opinion, plenty at Villa Park willing to fill their pockets courtesy of his ineptitude.
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Like I said, Unable to instil any discipline or highlight problems so yes, sit back and take the cash.
In the long run though it has done nothing for their reputation or credibility.
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I see your point Gordon but some of the appointments like Keane were just a joke. I agree that the fundamental cause of our demise has been Randy Lerner but there have been, in my opinion, plenty at Villa Park willing to fill their pockets courtesy of his ineptitude.
Lambert fucked us by flip-flopping to suit the chairman and keep his job, which undermined his authority as manager and set us on the path to the feckless shambles we became.
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I see your point Gordon but some of the appointments like Keane were just a joke. I agree that the fundamental cause of our demise has been Randy Lerner but there have been, in my opinion, plenty at Villa Park willing to fill their pockets courtesy of his ineptitude.
Lambert fucked us by flip-flopping to suit the chairman and keep his job, which undermined his authority as manager and set us on the path to the feckless shambles we became.
Therefore Lerner was the problem and his authority was undermined because anybody that didn't like a decision or training regime went over the managers head, straight to Lerner who allowed them to get their own way, hence the complete shambles of the last 5 years.
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Yes. Makes you wonder what manager would have done a good job working under that regime.
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My point exactly.
Anyone of them may have been good enough but we'll never know.
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None of those would have come if there was any doubt about finances.
I'm sure Kevin Bond would have nothing to do with anything dodgy or underhand
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He wouldn't. I saw him in Staples. He must have a lot of mail to post.
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None of them was good enough because they all, including Remi Garde whom I defended, grabbed the money and ran. Bottlers to a man.
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I wonder if there's any chance that Di Matteo will hire Eva Carneiro as club doctor.
She may well be free now to look for her next job. Highly regarded and will not be unknown to DiMatteo and Clarke ...
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Di matteo unearthed hazard and brought him to premier league so obviously knows talent. Hopefully can bring in equivalents !
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Hazard was signed for a reported £32m. That's hardly unearthing talent.
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What does it matter how much he cost?
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Quite. That's about as much as Charles N'Zogbia has cost us.
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I wonder if there's any chance that Di Matteo will hire Eva Carneiro as club doctor.
She may well be free now to look for her next job. Highly regarded and will not be unknown to DiMatteo and Clarke ...
We might get to see someone running on the pitch at long last.
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Knowing us we would use her as a stand in for Bella.
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I wonder if there's any chance that Di Matteo will hire Eva Carneiro as club doctor.
She may well be free now to look for her next job. Highly regarded and will not be unknown to DiMatteo and Clarke ...
I don'timagine that a return to football will be a big priority for her, particularly with a couple of million sitting in her bank account.
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or even five as I read this morning
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To me she comes across as as grubby and classless as the club she worked for.
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Wanted to work in a football environment, but did not like the fact that fans sang sexist songs about her, when she ran on the pitch!, my advice would be grow up.
Her and her lawyers must be laughing there heads off - £5 million if true is unbelievable
Good job that she does not work in the local hospital, she would be suing individual patients for any comment made to her.
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If Chelsea really did cough up five million then she must have had a very strong case. That's all. No need to make her the villain here.
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Wanted to work in a football environment, but did not like the fact that fans sang sexist songs about her, when she ran on the pitch!, my advice would be grow up.
Would that have been your advice to anybody black who had the misfortune to run onto the pitch at Goodison or Elland Road in the 70s and 80s? Grow up?
Maybe it would be the supporters singing or making sexist comments who should grow up? "Its a women hurh-hurh, get yer tits out bab"
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If Chelsea really did cough up five million then she must have had a very strong case. That's all. No need to make her the villain here.
Exactly. Justice has been administered and a Claimant has had their case settled, yet its somehow her fault? Bizarre.
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Wanted to work in a football environment, but did not like the fact that fans sang sexist songs about her, when she ran on the pitch!, my advice would be grow up.
Would you say the same thing if you had a daughter who's ambition was to work in football? and it wasn't just the fans that were coming out with this shit, it was the manager.
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I suppose the same could be said of a certain Miss Brady who worked down the road at our neighbours, look at the delightful songs that have been sung to her in the past?
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Sorry just re-read my original post on the Chelsea Doctor, and cannot see where I have mentioned the colour of anyone's skin!
Honestly why do we have to bring up 70's and 80's football, and lets be honest I was at West Brom, when Villa fans were doing all the horrible chanting at Regis and OK, so we were no angels!
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I suppose the same could be said of a certain Miss Brady who worked down the road at our neighbours, look at the delightful songs that have been sung to her in the past?
Oh yes, forgot Brady was a woman, thanks for reminding me. Perhaps everyone who wants abuse of women to stop can change their mind now.
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Honestly why do we have to bring up 70's and 80's football
Because your attitude towards women seems strangely similar to the prevailing primitive attitudes amongst football fans towards black players in the 70s and 80s which, thankfully, most people have grown out of.
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Sounded like she had a very strong case and I'm glad she won. I don't think anyone deserves abuse when they are just trying to do their job.
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I have never in my life shouted any racist abuse at anyone, and I am in my 50s
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I have never in my life shouted any racist abuse at anyone, and I am in my 50s
Good for you. You're happy with abuse being hurled at women though, it seems.
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I have never in my life shouted any racist abuse at anyone, and I am in my 50s
Good for you. You're happy with abuse being hurled at women though, it seems.
Worse, its some how her fault!
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Wanted to work in a football environment, but did not like the fact that fans sang sexist songs about her, when she ran on the pitch!, my advice would be grow up.
Her and her lawyers must be laughing there heads off - £5 million if true is unbelievable
Good job that she does not work in the local hospital, she would be suing individual patients for any comment made to her.
Quite right. Why shouldn't an arrogant multi millionaire in a position of power be able to call his employee son of a whore and then publicly humiliate her before giving her a meaningless job. Why should a highly qualified professional who happens to be a female expect to stand on a football pitch and not be leered at and listen to foul abuse. Bloody political correctness gone mad. I'd tell my daughter to grow up if she started moaning about stuff like that.
Oh, and you're quite right, any woman who dares to qualify as a doctor and work in a hospital deserves all the grief they get off patients without expecting anything to be done about it.
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Fan chanting is one thing - it's difficult to control and in a male dominated sport it is bound to happen. But a bit of 'get yer tits out' is nothing like the hate filled racism of the past and comparing the two is a bit OTT.
It is when the attitude is shown inside the club that there is a real issue. Jose acted like a tit and it seems the club didn't deal with it very well. BUT, I do not like the current claim culture and in my view £5m for losing your job and hurt feelings is bloody ridiculous. I'm not saying she hasn't got a case, but sometimes people need to get some perspective. She hasn't lost a limb and can carry on to have a productive career elsewhere. Why should she be made rich beyond most peoples wildest dreams because she has been treated badly for a period of her employment? I doubt whether sports Direct employees will be buying Ferraris off the back of their settlements.
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Wanted to work in a football environment, but did not like the fact that fans sang sexist songs about her, when she ran on the pitch!, my advice would be grow up.
Does this extend to black and asian players who are racially abused, and to gay players who experience homophobic abuse too? Should they just 'grow up' too? Or is it only sexism that is okay?
Also, that wasn't the only part of her claim. She was demoted from her job for the crime of going on the pitch to treat a player who had gone down injured. She was abused (whether it was sexist or not) in public on national television and her professional judgement as a doctor questioned - this is indisputable. Presumably she should just forget that and 'grow up'?
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Fan chanting is one thing - it's difficult to control and in a male dominated sport it is bound to happen. But a bit of 'get yer tits out' is nothing like the hate filled racism of the past and comparing the two is a bit OTT.
It is when the attitude is shown inside the club that there is a real issue. Jose acted like a tit and it seems the club didn't deal with it very well. BUT, I do not like the current claim culture and in my view £5m for losing your job and hurt feelings is bloody ridiculous. I'm not saying she hasn't got a case, but sometimes people need to get some perspective. She hasn't lost a limb and can carry on to have a productive career elsewhere. Why should she be made rich beyond most peoples wildest dreams because she has been treated badly for a period of her employment? I doubt whether sports Direct employees will be buying Ferraris off the back of their settlements.
Mourinho questioned her ability to do her job in front of a ground full of fans and then on national television. She was then demoted to a lesser position. That has nothing to do with hurt feelings, it's unfair treatment of an employee, it's damaging someone's professional reputation and it's changing their job for no good reason.
And in an industry where players and managers reguarly get millions of pounds in pay-offs for nothing more than being crap and being sacked, why shouldn't she get the same for losing her job for absolutely no fault of her own?
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Does this extend to black and asian players who are racially abused, and to gay players who experience homophobic abuse too? Should they just 'grow up' too? Or is it only sexism that is okay?
Do you really think a bit of wolf whistling 'banter' is the same as hate fueled racism? I use the phrase banter guardedly as I fully appreciate it is not be very nice and of course we could do without it in this day and age, but the terrace chants about female referees and linesmen are generally intended to be good natured (if misguided). Are they really that much worse than calling a referee a ******? Are they really any way near as bad as screaming abuse at black players? Personally I don't think they are.
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Fan chanting is one thing - it's difficult to control and in a male dominated sport it is bound to happen. But a bit of 'get yer tits out' is nothing like the hate filled racism of the past and comparing the two is a bit OTT.
It is when the attitude is shown inside the club that there is a real issue. Jose acted like a tit and it seems the club didn't deal with it very well. BUT, I do not like the current claim culture and in my view £5m for losing your job and hurt feelings is bloody ridiculous. I'm not saying she hasn't got a case, but sometimes people need to get some perspective. She hasn't lost a limb and can carry on to have a productive career elsewhere. Why should she be made rich beyond most peoples wildest dreams because she has been treated badly for a period of her employment? I doubt whether sports Direct employees will be buying Ferraris off the back of their settlements.
Mourinho questioned her ability to do her job in front of a ground full of fans and then on national television. She was then demoted to a lesser position. That has nothing to do with hurt feelings, it's unfair treatment of an employee, it's damaging someone's professional reputation and it's changing their job for no good reason.
And in an industry where players and managers reguarly get millions of pounds in pay-offs for nothing more than being crap and being sacked, why shouldn't she get the same for losing her job for absolutely no fault of her own?
Because the payment bears no relation whatsoever to her contracted salary. That's why.
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Fan chanting is one thing - it's difficult to control and in a male dominated sport it is bound to happen. But a bit of 'get yer tits out' is nothing like the hate filled racism of the past and comparing the two is a bit OTT.
It is when the attitude is shown inside the club that there is a real issue. Jose acted like a tit and it seems the club didn't deal with it very well. BUT, I do not like the current claim culture and in my view £5m for losing your job and hurt feelings is bloody ridiculous. I'm not saying she hasn't got a case, but sometimes people need to get some perspective. She hasn't lost a limb and can carry on to have a productive career elsewhere. Why should she be made rich beyond most peoples wildest dreams because she has been treated badly for a period of her employment? I doubt whether sports Direct employees will be buying Ferraris off the back of their settlements.
Well said sir, refreshing to see a balanced and logical view.
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Fan chanting is one thing - it's difficult to control and in a male dominated sport it is bound to happen. But a bit of 'get yer tits out' is nothing like the hate filled racism of the past and comparing the two is a bit OTT.
It is when the attitude is shown inside the club that there is a real issue. Jose acted like a tit and it seems the club didn't deal with it very well. BUT, I do not like the current claim culture and in my view £5m for losing your job and hurt feelings is bloody ridiculous. I'm not saying she hasn't got a case, but sometimes people need to get some perspective. She hasn't lost a limb and can carry on to have a productive career elsewhere. Why should she be made rich beyond most peoples wildest dreams because she has been treated badly for a period of her employment? I doubt whether sports Direct employees will be buying Ferraris off the back of their settlements.
Well said sir, refreshing to see a balanced and logical view.
I'm sure I'll be labelled as a raging sexist, but it is the over reaction and excessive compensation claims that I don't really like. Do we really want to go down the American compensation culture route? I guess sadly we are already there.
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Does this extend to black and asian players who are racially abused, and to gay players who experience homophobic abuse too? Should they just 'grow up' too? Or is it only sexism that is okay?
Do you really think a bit of wolf whistling 'banter' is the same as hate fueled racism? I use the phrase banter guardedly as I fully appreciate it is not be very nice and of course we could do without it in this day and age, but the terrace chants about female referees and linesmen are generally intended to be good natured (if misguided). Are they really that much worse than calling a referee a c***? Are they really any way near as bad as screaming abuse at black players? Personally I don't think they are.
They're aimed at demeaning someone because of what they are rather than what they do, which to me makes them every bit as bad as racism. I can remember when that was just 'banter' as well.
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I reckon there's a good chance the payment was so high because Chelsea didn't want her spilling some beans. They may well see the X million as worth it to keep some dirty laundry from being aired.
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Does this extend to black and asian players who are racially abused, and to gay players who experience homophobic abuse too? Should they just 'grow up' too? Or is it only sexism that is okay?
Do you really think a bit of wolf whistling 'banter' is the same as hate fueled racism? I use the phrase banter guardedly as I fully appreciate it is not be very nice and of course we could do without it in this day and age, but the terrace chants about female referees and linesmen are generally intended to be good natured (if misguided). Are they really that much worse than calling a referee a c***? Are they really any way near as bad as screaming abuse at black players? Personally I don't think they are.
They're aimed at demeaning someone because of what they are rather than what they do, which to me makes them every bit as bad as racism. I can remember when that was just 'banter' as well.
Dave - I understand what you are saying but disagree with you. A builder wolf whistling a lady walking past a building site is not comparable to someone screaming racist abuse. It may be neither are acceptable in this day and age, but I do think the intent is very different.
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If Chelsea really did cough up five million then she must have had a very strong case. That's all. No need to make her the villain here.
A bit like MON, then?
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That's easy to say for someone who isn't on the receiving end.
Someone who isn't abused constantly and then failed by her employer.
An employer who then allows one of its most senior employees to abuse her in public, demote her for doing her job, and let the whole world think she's shit. And then fails to apologise in any way.
The club have done that now. Finally.
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Does this extend to black and asian players who are racially abused, and to gay players who experience homophobic abuse too? Should they just 'grow up' too? Or is it only sexism that is okay?
Do you really think a bit of wolf whistling 'banter' is the same as hate fueled racism? I use the phrase banter guardedly as I fully appreciate it is not be very nice and of course we could do without it in this day and age, but the terrace chants about female referees and linesmen are generally intended to be good natured (if misguided). Are they really that much worse than calling a referee a c***? Are they really any way near as bad as screaming abuse at black players? Personally I don't think they are.
They're aimed at demeaning someone because of what they are rather than what they do, which to me makes them every bit as bad as racism. I can remember when that was just 'banter' as well.
Dave - I understand what you are saying but disagree with you. A builder wolf whistling a lady walking past a building site is not comparable to someone screaming racist abuse. It may be neither are acceptable in this day and age, but I do think the intent is very different.
I disagree strongly, and to be honest I see the intent as irrelevant, it's the perception that's important. Some of my female friends have discussed this in the past, and this sort of thing can be extremely intimidating for a woman walking on her own. Similar to say a group of guys on a night out doing similar to a woman on her own, they might only see it as "banter", but to the woman, it can often be extremely degrading, or even terrifying.
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This would have been a non story from the start if she wasn't female and good looking. That's sexism for you...
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This would have been a non story from the start if she wasn't female and good looking. That's sexism for you...
We'll never really know as I don't ever recall a manager going beserk at a physio for doing their job before.
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This would have been a non story from the start if she wasn't female and good looking. That's sexism for you...
Maybe if she worked for a high street retailer I'd agree with you. As it is she's on a high profile position, with a high profile club, and involved in a high profile incident. In this incidence I'm not sure her looks contributed to the outcome but certainly it did influence on lookers to stay interested.
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Does this extend to black and asian players who are racially abused, and to gay players who experience homophobic abuse too? Should they just 'grow up' too? Or is it only sexism that is okay?
Do you really think a bit of wolf whistling 'banter' is the same as hate fueled racism? I use the phrase banter guardedly as I fully appreciate it is not be very nice and of course we could do without it in this day and age, but the terrace chants about female referees and linesmen are generally intended to be good natured (if misguided). Are they really that much worse than calling a referee a c***? Are they really any way near as bad as screaming abuse at black players? Personally I don't think they are.
They're aimed at demeaning someone because of what they are rather than what they do, which to me makes them every bit as bad as racism. I can remember when that was just 'banter' as well.
Dave - I understand what you are saying but disagree with you. A builder wolf whistling a lady walking past a building site is not comparable to someone screaming racist abuse. It may be neither are acceptable in this day and age, but I do think the intent is very different.
but we're not talking about a single builder wolf-whistling someone. We're talking about men in a crowd containing women and children treating her as an object because she's tryin gto do her and job and being encouraged to do so by her manager who then outright questioned her professional judgement on TV which, in most opinions, he would never have done had she been male.
Moving back to the original point the underlying sentiment was that she as woman worked in a public role within football so she should expect and just live with the various forms of sexism that she was subjected to. There's really not much, in terms of attitude towards women, difference between that and the ched evans "she had sex with my mate so she was up for it" defence, in both cases people are trying to take away the rights of the woman being a victim because she should've known that men can't control themselves. I personally find that sentiment just as sexist to men as I do to women and it's an attitude that belongs in the past.
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Does this extend to black and asian players who are racially abused, and to gay players who experience homophobic abuse too? Should they just 'grow up' too? Or is it only sexism that is okay?
Do you really think a bit of wolf whistling 'banter' is the same as hate fueled racism? I use the phrase banter guardedly as I fully appreciate it is not be very nice and of course we could do without it in this day and age, but the terrace chants about female referees and linesmen are generally intended to be good natured (if misguided). Are they really that much worse than calling a referee a c***? Are they really any way near as bad as screaming abuse at black players? Personally I don't think they are.
How do you know that it was just 'wolf-whistling banter'?
And also, to use the racism comparison, monkey noises were just 'monkey-noise banter', not necessarily always hate-filled. Singing 'do you take it up the arse' at Graeme Le Saux and others was just good-natured banter, 'part of the football experience'. Now seen as wholly unacceptable.
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Jesus, I can't honestly believe people are having a go at her over this. Chelsea, could, and should have realised that Mourinho was TOTALLY out of order and sorted it out months ago. She was reportedly on £500K a year for her role, and if true there's no way I'd have accepted an offer of £1.2m and no apology if I'd been unacceptably forced out of my job by a bullying superior either.
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This would have been a non story from the start if she wasn't female and good looking. That's sexism for you...
Maybe if she worked for a high street retailer I'd agree with you. As it is she's on a high profile position, with a high profile club, and involved in a high profile incident. In this incidence I'm not sure her looks contributed to the outcome but certainly it did influence on lookers to stay interested.
Agree on the "staying interested" part. Even in the hours after the incident, everybody had forgotten who Jon Fearn was.
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From the Beeb and is why I think there's a good chance they paid so much was to keep things from being made public.
The case was expected to last seven to 10 days and could have led to potentially embarrassing witness statements and documents - including texts and emails - being made public.
Allegations included this, must have been lovely for her going to work and having bantz.
....... and regularly had to endure sexually explicit comments from her colleagues.
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Does this extend to black and asian players who are racially abused, and to gay players who experience homophobic abuse too? Should they just 'grow up' too? Or is it only sexism that is okay?
Do you really think a bit of wolf whistling 'banter' is the same as hate fueled racism? I use the phrase banter guardedly as I fully appreciate it is not be very nice and of course we could do without it in this day and age, but the terrace chants about female referees and linesmen are generally intended to be good natured (if misguided). Are they really that much worse than calling a referee a c***? Are they really any way near as bad as screaming abuse at black players? Personally I don't think they are.
How do you know that it was just 'wolf-whistling banter'?
And also, to use the racism comparison, monkey noises were just 'monkey-noise banter', not necessarily always hate-filled. Singing 'do you take it up the arse' at Graeme Le Saux and others was just good-natured banter, 'part of the football experience'. Now seen as wholly unacceptable.
OK, so here we are talking about people in a football crowd wolf whistling etc right? My take on it is this is usually done in a good natured way, if not always received this way by the recipient. Conversely racist chanting is usually delivered with an underlying air of menace and hatred. I understand why neither may be particularly acceptable, but my personal opinion is that they are not really comparable. For the record, I am not particularly defending the 'sexist' behavior and do not partake in it myself, but my opinion is that comparing it to 1980's style full on racism is somewhat hysterical.
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From the Beeb and is why I think there's a good chance they paid so much was to keep things from being made public.
The case was expected to last seven to 10 days and could have led to potentially embarrassing witness statements and documents - including texts and emails - being made public.
Allegations included this, must have been lovely for her going to work and having bantz.
....... and regularly had to endure sexually explicit comments from her colleagues.
Yep. I swear this country is going backwards, or has it ever moved on and casual racism, sexism etc has just been hidden? This new excuse of "banter" and denigration of PC as being something which it isn't shows a new bullying society we live in.
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OK, so here we are talking about people in a football crowd wolf whistling etc right? My take on it is this is usually done in a good natured way, if not always received this way by the recipient. Conversely racist chanting is usually delivered with an underlying air of menace and hatred. I understand why neither may be particularly acceptable, but my personal opinion is that they are not really comparable. For the record, I am not particularly defending the 'sexist' behavior and do not partake in it myself, but my opinion is that comparing it to 1980's style full on racism is somewhat hysterical.
No, you're stating your own experiences here as fact.
Wolf-whistling and sexist banter 'is done in a good natured way'.
Racist chants are usually delivered with an underlying air of menace and hatred."
As I said earlier, monkey chants and homophobic chants have often been delivered in a 'good-natured', 'part of the crowd way'. It doesn't make them right.
This isn't comparing them to '1980's style full on racism', it's comparing them to behaviour which has continued, albeit on a lesser scale, right up to the present day.
If you believe that if discriminatory abuse delivered in a 'good natured way' is okay, fair enough. You also seem to have narrowed this down to a bit of wolf-whistling and have conveniently missed out the other reported types of comments.
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Does this extend to black and asian players who are racially abused, and to gay players who experience homophobic abuse too? Should they just 'grow up' too? Or is it only sexism that is okay?
Do you really think a bit of wolf whistling 'banter' is the same as hate fueled racism? I use the phrase banter guardedly as I fully appreciate it is not be very nice and of course we could do without it in this day and age, but the terrace chants about female referees and linesmen are generally intended to be good natured (if misguided). Are they really that much worse than calling a referee a c***? Are they really any way near as bad as screaming abuse at black players? Personally I don't think they are.
How do you know that it was just 'wolf-whistling banter'?
And also, to use the racism comparison, monkey noises were just 'monkey-noise banter', not necessarily always hate-filled. Singing 'do you take it up the arse' at Graeme Le Saux and others was just good-natured banter, 'part of the football experience'. Now seen as wholly unacceptable.
OK, so here we are talking about people in a football crowd wolf whistling etc right? My take on it is this is usually done in a good natured way, if not always received this way by the recipient. Conversely racist chanting is usually delivered with an underlying air of menace and hatred. I understand why neither may be particularly acceptable, but my personal opinion is that they are not really comparable. For the record, I am not particularly defending the 'sexist' behavior and do not partake in it myself, but my opinion is that comparing it to 1980's style full on racism is somewhat hysterical.
Perhaps if you were a woman, and afraid to be out after dark because of what some would call 'banter' and others would call assault, you might think differently.
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OK, so here we are talking about people in a football crowd wolf whistling etc right? My take on it is this is usually done in a good natured way, if not always received this way by the recipient. Conversely racist chanting is usually delivered with an underlying air of menace and hatred. I understand why neither may be particularly acceptable, but my personal opinion is that they are not really comparable. For the record, I am not particularly defending the 'sexist' behavior and do not partake in it myself, but my opinion is that comparing it to 1980's style full on racism is somewhat hysterical.
No, you're stating your own experiences here as fact.
"Wolf-whistling and demeaning women is done in a good natured way.
Racist chants are usually delivered with an underlying air of menace and hatred."
As I said earlier, monkey chants and homophobic chants have often been delivered in a 'good-natured', 'part of the crowd way'. It doesn't make them right.
This isn't comparing them to '1980's style full on racism', it's comparing them to behaviour which has continued, albeit on a lesser scale, right up to the present day.
If you believe that if discriminatory abuse delivered in a 'good natured way' is okay, fair enough. You also seem to have narrowed this down to a bit of wolf-whistling and have conveniently missed out the other reported types of comments reported.
The point specifically started when the crowd chants to her were directly compared to 1970's and 80' football crowd racism in an earlier comment. I have said I don't think they are particularly comparable and I remain of this view.
I have also said Jose acted like a tit and the club dealt with it badly. Finally I have said I think £5m is a hell of a lot for being treated badly at work and losing your job.
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OK, so here we are talking about people in a football crowd wolf whistling etc right? My take on it is this is usually done in a good natured way, if not always received this way by the recipient. Conversely racist chanting is usually delivered with an underlying air of menace and hatred. I understand why neither may be particularly acceptable, but my personal opinion is that they are not really comparable. For the record, I am not particularly defending the 'sexist' behavior and do not partake in it myself, but my opinion is that comparing it to 1980's style full on racism is somewhat hysterical.
No, you're stating your own experiences here as fact.
"Wolf-whistling and demeaning women is done in a good natured way.
Racist chants are usually delivered with an underlying air of menace and hatred."
As I said earlier, monkey chants and homophobic chants have often been delivered in a 'good-natured', 'part of the crowd way'. It doesn't make them right.
This isn't comparing them to '1980's style full on racism', it's comparing them to behaviour which has continued, albeit on a lesser scale, right up to the present day.
If you believe that if discriminatory abuse delivered in a 'good natured way' is okay, fair enough. You also seem to have narrowed this down to a bit of wolf-whistling and have conveniently missed out the other reported types of comments reported.
The point specifically started when the crowd chants to her were directly compared to 1970's and 80' football crowd racism in an earlier comment. I have said I don't think they are particularly comparable and I remain of this view.
I have also said Jose acted like a tit and the club dealt with it badly. Finally I have said I think £5m is a hell of a lot for being treated badly at work and losing your job.
To be fair to Mourinho and as much as I dislike the bloke "filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.
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Does this extend to black and asian players who are racially abused, and to gay players who experience homophobic abuse too? Should they just 'grow up' too? Or is it only sexism that is okay?
Do you really think a bit of wolf whistling 'banter' is the same as hate fueled racism? I use the phrase banter guardedly as I fully appreciate it is not be very nice and of course we could do without it in this day and age, but the terrace chants about female referees and linesmen are generally intended to be good natured (if misguided). Are they really that much worse than calling a referee a c***? Are they really any way near as bad as screaming abuse at black players? Personally I don't think they are.
How do you know that it was just 'wolf-whistling banter'?
And also, to use the racism comparison, monkey noises were just 'monkey-noise banter', not necessarily always hate-filled. Singing 'do you take it up the arse' at Graeme Le Saux and others was just good-natured banter, 'part of the football experience'. Now seen as wholly unacceptable.
OK, so here we are talking about people in a football crowd wolf whistling etc right? My take on it is this is usually done in a good natured way, if not always received this way by the recipient. Conversely racist chanting is usually delivered with an underlying air of menace and hatred. I understand why neither may be particularly acceptable, but my personal opinion is that they are not really comparable. For the record, I am not particularly defending the 'sexist' behavior and do not partake in it myself, but my opinion is that comparing it to 1980's style full on racism is somewhat hysterical.
Perhaps if you were a woman, and afraid to be out after dark because of what some would call 'banter' and others would call assault, you might think differently.
So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street? FFS. It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison. If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it. But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's. Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street. Maybe you do. Shall we leave it there?
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So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street? FFS. It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison. If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it. But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's. Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street. Maybe you do. Shall we leave it there?
It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.
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What does it matter how much he cost?
My point isn't around the cost being too high, more that if you're paying that much for a player that player has clearly established themselves as being talented or having the potential to be the same. Thus that player has hardly been unearthed nor is it a surprise when they perform well.
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So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street? FFS. It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison. If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it. But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's. Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street. Maybe you do. Shall we leave it there?
It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.
I had to teach diversity to a load of police. To help them get it, I said, 'how would you feel if you got a brick through your window?' Obviously they'd be concerned. How about a brick wrapped in a note saying 'pig'. Ahhh, now they're really rattled because they don't know what's coming next. It's the same with women and sexist banter. It may be bad taste 'fun' or it may be a full on Sid the sexist/pervert who represents a threat. They can't and shouldn't have to guess, and whatever the intent it ain't very nice to hear.. As Dave says, it's easier to just avoid the situation in the first place. So, no women or very few women, in lots of roles. I have a two year old girl who is stratospherically intelligent and confident. It will be sad if any of this bollocks holds her back.
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I have never in my life shouted any racist abuse at anyone, and I am in my 50s
I think you mean your opinions on women are rooted in the fifties.
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What does it matter how much he cost?
My point isn't around the cost being too high, more that if you're paying that much for a player that player has clearly established themselves as being talented or having the potential to be the same. Thus that player has hardly been unearthed nor is it a surprise when they perform well.
What does it matter how much he cost?
My point isn't around the cost being too high, more that if you're paying that much for a player that player has clearly established themselves as being talented or having the potential to be the same. Thus that player has hardly been unearthed nor is it a surprise when they perform well.
I suspect there is a punitive element to the damages to reflect the wasted court time and extra distress to her for not settling when they were clearly in the wrong. The court will have felt their refusal to apologise for such manifestly awful treatment was an aggravating feature, I would imagine.
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I have never in my life shouted any racist abuse at anyone, and I am in my 50s
I think you mean your opinions on women are rooted in the fifties.
I think this is a Viz character come to life. With supporting cast.
Amazing stuff.
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What does it matter how much he cost?
My point isn't around the cost being too high, more that if you're paying that much for a player that player has clearly established themselves as being talented or having the potential to be the same. Thus that player has hardly been unearthed nor is it a surprise when they perform well.
I suspect there is a punitive element to the damages to reflect the wasted court time and extra distress to her for not settling when they were clearly in the wrong. The court will have felt their refusal to apologise for such manifestly awful treatment was an aggravating feature, I would imagine.
Mike, they are talking about Eden Hazard.
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I have never in my life shouted any racist abuse at anyone, and I am in my 50s
I think you mean your opinions on women are rooted in the fifties.
I think this is a Viz character come to life. With supporting cast.
Amazing stuff.
Depressing.
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What does it matter how much he cost?
My point isn't around the cost being too high, more that if you're paying that much for a player that player has clearly established themselves as being talented or having the potential to be the same. Thus that player has hardly been unearthed nor is it a surprise when they perform well.
I suspect there is a punitive element to the damages to reflect the wasted court time and extra distress to her for not settling when they were clearly in the wrong. The court will have felt their refusal to apologise for such manifestly awful treatment was an aggravating feature, I would imagine.
Mike, they are talking about Eden Hazard.
Has he got a decent pair of tits? Not interested otherwise.
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What does it matter how much he cost?
My point isn't around the cost being too high, more that if you're paying that much for a player that player has clearly established themselves as being talented or having the potential to be the same. Thus that player has hardly been unearthed nor is it a surprise when they perform well.
I suspect there is a punitive element to the damages to reflect the wasted court time and extra distress to her for not settling when they were clearly in the wrong. The court will have felt their refusal to apologise for such manifestly awful treatment was an aggravating feature, I would imagine.
Mike, they are talking about Eden Hazard.
Has he got a decent pair of tits? Not interested otherwise.
A pair of tits? We've got a squad chock full of tits.
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So is this the right place to welcome RDM & his new backroom team then?
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A pair of tits? We've got a squad chock full of tits.
Gabby is well endowed in particular but his mireable face VID... It's a real boner killer.
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What does it matter how much he cost?
My point isn't around the cost being too high, more that if you're paying that much for a player that player has clearly established themselves as being talented or having the potential to be the same. Thus that player has hardly been unearthed nor is it a surprise when they perform well.
What does it matter how much he cost?
My point isn't around the cost being too high, more that if you're paying that much for a player that player has clearly established themselves as being talented or having the potential to be the same. Thus that player has hardly been unearthed nor is it a surprise when they perform well.
I suspect there is a punitive element to the damages to reflect the wasted court time and extra distress to her for not settling when they were clearly in the wrong. The court will have felt their refusal to apologise for such manifestly awful treatment was an aggravating feature, I would imagine.
We don't do punitive damages in England and Wales.
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You can get aggravated damages in the Employment Tribunal and this would include a situation where the conduct of the litigation by the employer exacerbates the hurt feelings - the leading case involved a firm of Solicitors from Birmingham if I remember correctly, but as Ads says these would still be compensation and not punitive and there is no way it would run into the millions.
If they have paid her anything like £5 million then this is to shut her up - I cannot conceive of circumstances where her claim would be worth anything like that much. She has not been rendered permanently unemployable.
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"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.
A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?
I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone a 'c***' in English.
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So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street? FFS. It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison. If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it. But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's. Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street. Maybe you do. Shall we leave it there?
It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.
But what;s the starting point to these prevailing attitudes? Playground, television, family, cultural experience? And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.
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I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone a 'c***' in English.
See, this is why we needed to hear testimony from the "expert in Portuguese swearing" who was lined up to give evidence.
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"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.
A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?
I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone a 'c***' in English.
Yes really. You can stub your toe alone and say filho da puta. It doesn't necessarily have to be directed at a person..
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"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.
A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?
I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone a 'c***' in English.
Is there a reason why 'c***' sits on the top of the podium of swear words in the UK? What makes it worse than so many others? I'm of the Snatch generation so it was desensitized for us lot (albeit pronounced 'Kant').
I will get Googling later if no wise old elves (big up Ben & Holly) know.
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And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.
At the risk of being labelled a drippy lefty, right on Guardian reader, that's a thread that lets the site down. No, I don't bother 'reading' it.
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My experience is that women really hate the word so considering approx 50% of the population take a lot of offence from it, it's been elevated up to the worst swear word. Not too many people give a fuck about fuck these days. That's my guess anyway.
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I like the word fuck, think I'd explode if I couldn't ever use it.
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Am I correct in saying that the phrase used by Mourinho was aimed solely at Ms Caneiero and not at the physio accompanying her? If so, then surely that in itself is descriminatory.
The racism at football grounds in the seventies and eighties had to be seen and heard to be believed. More than once, my enjoyment of football matches was ruined by the embarrassment I felt towards my fellow supporters. When I questioned one bloke about it regarding our black players his reply was, "It's ok, he's one of ours". I will never understand logic like that.
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One of the reasons I love coming on here is views expressed those defending bigoted views, or views suggesting what happeed to the Chelsea physio are in any way acceptable are getting smashed to pieces. It should be considered ludicrous that there can be any defence of Mourinho or Chelsea but here we are. I'm delighted she got the settlement she was asking and especially as a father of two girls who may one day encounter this kind of primitive behaviour. The quicker we find ways to eradicate it or make it unacceptable the better.
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What does it matter how much he cost?
My point isn't around the cost being too high, more that if you're paying that much for a player that player has clearly established themselves as being talented or having the potential to be the same. Thus that player has hardly been unearthed nor is it a surprise when they perform well.
What does it matter how much he cost?
My point isn't around the cost being too high, more that if you're paying that much for a player that player has clearly established themselves as being talented or having the potential to be the same. Thus that player has hardly been unearthed nor is it a surprise when they perform well.
I suspect there is a punitive element to the damages to reflect the wasted court time and extra distress to her for not settling when they were clearly in the wrong. The court will have felt their refusal to apologise for such manifestly awful treatment was an aggravating feature, I would imagine.
We don't do punitive damages in England and Wales.
I said a while back that I'm usually wrong, but I can only reiterate, I thought Lambert was a cock from the start so occasionally I slip up and get things right.
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Changing the subject back to the thread title:-)
Paddy Riley no longer listed in the O/S Who's Who? anyone heard anything?
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Changing the subject back to the thread title:-)
Paddy Riley no longer listed in the O/S Who's Who? anyone heard anything?
We'll have none of that sort of behaviour on here.
Mods - sort this guy out!!
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Spoilsport;-)
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"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.
A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?
I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone a 'c***' in English.
Yes really. You can stub your toe alone and say filho da puta. It doesn't necessarily have to be directed at a person..
True but when it is you can hardly complain if you get punched in the face. It really depends how it's said. Even said jokingly amongst friends you're on wobbly ground. It's far more offensive than 'son of a bitch', as BE said, it's more 'son of a prostitute/whore'. As the Portuguese love their mothers so much, it's pretty much the most offensive thing you can say to somebody.
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What does it matter how much he cost?
My point isn't around the cost being too high, more that if you're paying that much for a player that player has clearly established themselves as being talented or having the potential to be the same. Thus that player has hardly been unearthed nor is it a surprise when they perform well.
What does it matter how much he cost?
My point isn't around the cost being too high, more that if you're paying that much for a player that player has clearly established themselves as being talented or having the potential to be the same. Thus that player has hardly been unearthed nor is it a surprise when they perform well.
I suspect there is a punitive element to the damages to reflect the wasted court time and extra distress to her for not settling when they were clearly in the wrong. The court will have felt their refusal to apologise for such manifestly awful treatment was an aggravating feature, I would imagine.
We don't do punitive damages in England and Wales.
I said a while back that I'm usually wrong, but I can only reiterate, I thought Lambert was a cock from the start so occasionally I slip up and get things right.
What's Lambert got to do with any of this? Has he called someone a ****** too?
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"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.
A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?
I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone a 'c***' in English.
Yes really. You can stub your toe alone and say filho da puta. It doesn't necessarily have to be directed at a person..
True but when it is you can hardly complain if you get punched in the face. It really depends how it's said. Even said jokingly amongst friends you're on wobbly ground. It's far more offensive than 'son of a bitch', as BE said, it's more 'son of a prostitute/whore'. As the Portuguese love their mothers so much, it's pretty much the most offensive thing you can say to somebody.
Who would punch you in the face if you were alone..?
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"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.
A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?
I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone a 'c***' in English.
Yes really. You can stub your toe alone and say filho da puta. It doesn't necessarily have to be directed at a person..
True but when it is you can hardly complain if you get punched in the face. It really depends how it's said. Even said jokingly amongst friends you're on wobbly ground. It's far more offensive than 'son of a bitch', as BE said, it's more 'son of a prostitute/whore'. As the Portuguese love their mothers so much, it's pretty much the most offensive thing you can say to somebody.
Who would punch you in the face if you were alone..?
Burro.
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Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.
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"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.
A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?
I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone a 'c***' in English.
Yes really. You can stub your toe alone and say filho da puta. It doesn't necessarily have to be directed at a person..
True but when it is you can hardly complain if you get punched in the face. It really depends how it's said. Even said jokingly amongst friends you're on wobbly ground. It's far more offensive than 'son of a bitch', as BE said, it's more 'son of a prostitute/whore'. As the Portuguese love their mothers so much, it's pretty much the most offensive thing you can say to somebody.
Who would punch you in the face if you were alone..?
Burro.
Cap de burro! (Catalan)
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"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.
A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?
I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone a 'c***' in English.
Yes really. You can stub your toe alone and say filho da puta. It doesn't necessarily have to be directed at a person..
True but when it is you can hardly complain if you get punched in the face. It really depends how it's said. Even said jokingly amongst friends you're on wobbly ground. It's far more offensive than 'son of a bitch', as BE said, it's more 'son of a prostitute/whore'. As the Portuguese love their mothers so much, it's pretty much the most offensive thing you can say to somebody.
Who would punch you in the face if you were alone..?
Burro.
Bobo
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Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.
Would that be The Blue Oyster Bar?
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Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.
Isn't that the same for all swear words/phrases?
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So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street? FFS. It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison. If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it. But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's. Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street. Maybe you do. Shall we leave it there?
It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.
But what;s the starting point to these prevailing attitudes? Playground, television, family, cultural experience? And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.
In my experience, most women like to be found attractive. They don't like be sworn or aggressively shouted at.
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Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.
Isn't that the same for all swear words/phrases?
In conclusion: Mourinho did not stub his toe; he directed his extremely offensive insult at Eva Carneiro. Now, if you want to carry on with the discussion, fine. However, I will be outside on a sunbed. :-)
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Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.
Isn't that the same for all swear words/phrases?
In conclusion: Mourinho did not stub his toe; he directed his extremely offensive insult at Eva Carneiro. Now, if you want to carry on with the discussion, fine. However, I will be outside on a sunbed. :-)
Ok. Apply some sun cream and hopefully it won't hurt like son of a bitch tomorrow 😉
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If Chelsea really did cough up five million then she must have had a very strong case. That's all. No need to make her the villain here.
A bit like MON, then?
That thought entered my head too
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So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street? FFS. It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison. If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it. But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's. Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street. Maybe you do. Shall we leave it there?
It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.
But what;s the starting point to these prevailing attitudes? Playground, television, family, cultural experience? And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.
In my experience, most women like to be found attractive. They don't like be sworn or aggressively shouted at.
Jesus H Christ...*wide eyed fella*
In my experience most women are happier to be met with and dealt according to their abilities as a person rather than their physical features. Still, you're a judge for Miss World so I should let you off...
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Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.
Would that be The Blue Oyster Bar?
I have the music in my head now.
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So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street? FFS. It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison. If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it. But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's. Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street. Maybe you do. Shall we leave it there?
It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.
But what;s the starting point to these prevailing attitudes? Playground, television, family, cultural experience? And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.
In my experience, most women like to be found attractive. They don't like be sworn or aggressively shouted at.
Have you tried all those approaches then?
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Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.
Would that be The Blue Oyster Bar?
I have the music in my head now.
Is it part of the soundtrack to your life?
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Stubbing one's toe and screaming [the wall's] "mother takes it up the shitter!" is one thing. Saying it to some hard bloke in a bar is another.
Would that be The Blue Oyster Bar?
I have the music in my head now.
Is it part of the soundtrack to your life?
I'll have to break it gently to my wife, its only fair.
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So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street? FFS. It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison. If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it. But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's. Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street. Maybe you do. Shall we leave it there?
It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.
But what;s the starting point to these prevailing attitudes? Playground, television, family, cultural experience? And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.
In my experience, most women like to be found attractive. They don't like be sworn or aggressively shouted at.
Have you tried all those approaches then?
I've worked in a pub so I've definitely seen all those approaches tried.
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If Chelsea really did cough up five million then she must have had a very strong case. That's all. No need to make her the villain here.
A bit like MON, then?
That thought entered my head too
I'm sure he did have a strong case. Doesn't mean I have to like him.
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Don't be so harsh on yourself.
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Another thread ruined
Don't be so harsh on yourself.
It was the 208th time it's happened though.
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Take heart murfee. What I always say is not every willow can become Geoffrey Boycott's bat.
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Another thread ruined
Don't be so harsh on yourself.
It was the 208th time it's happened though.
Impressive 100% record.
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If Chelsea really did cough up five million then she must have had a very strong case. That's all. No need to make her the villain here.
A bit like MON, then?
That thought entered my head too
I'm sure he did have a strong case. Doesn't mean I have to like him.
Nor I. Nor do I have to like the money grabbing Caneiro.
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Nor I. Nor do I have to like the money grabbing Caneiro.
It's Carneiro ;)
And as for the money-grabbing bit?
Well, IMO, when a player is down injured and the club doctor is told by the ref to attend to him (I hardly think any club doc could/would refuse in that particular scenario), being insulted by the manager (called a daughter of a whore) and later on told by the same manager via the media that she needs to 'understand the game' and subsequently being demoted from her job is a quite astonishing turns of events. I'd say she is entitled to every penny she was offered in a settlement.
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Does anyone know when this new management team start work?
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I don't think she's money grabbing at all, she's been treated appallingly by her employer. Fair play to her, she was doing her job properly and the arrogant arsehole of a manager ridiculed and belittled her very publically, the only pity is that there is obviously some sort of confidentiality clause.
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So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street? FFS. It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison. If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it. But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's. Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street. Maybe you do. Shall we leave it there?
It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.
But what;s the starting point to these prevailing attitudes? Playground, television, family, cultural experience? And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.
In my experience, most women like to be found attractive. They don't like be sworn or aggressively shouted at.
Jesus H Christ...*wide eyed fella*
In my experience most women are happier to be met with and dealt according to their abilities as a person rather than their physical features. Still, you're a judge for Miss World so I should let you off...
I didn't mean in a workplace situation. I'm possibly not explaining this very well, but generally I think women don't mind a "Had your hair cut? It suits you." type of comment, but understandably get a bit upset by being leered out from a building site.
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So people in a football ground chanting 'get your tits out for the lads' is akin to assaulting a woman in the street? FFS. It may not be pleasant Dave but it's a ridiculous comparison. If you read my posts carefully you will note I have always said it isn't nice behavior and we could do without it. But I don't think it is akin to the racism we saw in the 70's and 80's. Nor do I think it's akin to assaulting a woman in the street. Maybe you do. Shall we leave it there?
It may not be as bad but the principle is the same. If someone says, or does, something towards you that you don't want it's unacceptable and can lead to worse. But what's up darlin' got no sense of humour? You know you love it really.
But what;s the starting point to these prevailing attitudes? Playground, television, family, cultural experience? And remember there's a topic in the Off Topic section where we're encouraged to ogle women.
In my experience, most women like to be found attractive. They don't like be sworn or aggressively shouted at.
Jesus H Christ...*wide eyed fella*
In my experience most women are happier to be met with and dealt according to their abilities as a person rather than their physical features. Still, you're a judge for Miss World so I should let you off...
I didn't mean in a workplace situation. I'm possibly not explaining this very well, but generally I think women don't mind a "Had your hair cut? It suits you." type of comment, but understandably get a bit upset by being leered out from a building site.
Thank you very much, Germaine Greer.
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He just doesn't know when to stop, does he?
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Where do I stand on asking a colleague if they'd "like to get on my groovy train"?
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On a song tip, I was in a hotel room with some lovely gal once and she said to me, "Where do we go from here"? There was a split second when all I was trying to do was not say, "Is it down to the lake, I fear".
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Where do I stand on asking a colleague if they'd "like to get on my groovy train"?
Depends on whether they're likely to want bet the farm on someone with a taste for shit early 90s music. :)
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I generally ask if I can 'just squeeze past....thanks'
We have an open-plan office, there are no corridors. Am amazed I haven't spent more time in HR
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Well my mother-in-law calls me hijo de la gran puta regularly, perhaps I should sue.
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Does no one find it strange that there hasn't been an interview with the new manager yet?
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He just doesn't know when to stop, does he?
Oh do piss off, Millie Tant.
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You'll be telling us some of your best friends are women next.
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Does no one find it strange that there hasn't been an interview with the new manager yet?
Excellent attempt at getting back on message.
No contest with the Sisters of Mercy, though.
As you were.
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Sisters of Mercy have a new manager?
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I generally ask if I can 'just squeeze past....thanks'
We have an open-plan office, there are no corridors. Am amazed I haven't spent more time in HR
They are using Hormone Replacement now to combat sexist practices in the workplace? It's PC gone mad.
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On a song tip, I was in a hotel room with some lovely gal once and she said to me, "Where do we go from here"? There was a split second when all I was trying to do was not say, "Is it down to the lake, I fear".
It'd be worth saying just to follow it up with "ay ay ay ay ay ay ay ay .... ay ay ay ay ay ay ay ay"
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Sisters of Mercy have a new manager?
They're not departed or gone, I can confirm that much.
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Does no one find it strange that there hasn't been an interview with the new manager yet?
Not really, it'll probably be a joint press conference with the new owner once takeover is clarified.
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Does no one find it strange that there hasn't been an interview with the new manager yet?
Not really, it'll probably be a joint press conference with the new owner once takeover is clarified.
That has been my presumption too. But I'm getting a trifle impatient.
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There's a good article about our new goalkeeping coach from a few years back in the Guardian. Gives an idea on how he likes his keepers to be aggressive in dominating the box
I think that's been a massive weakness with us, keepers not commanding and communicating enough
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Does no one find it strange that there hasn't been an interview with the new manager yet?
Not really, it'll probably be a joint press conference with the new owner once takeover is clarified.
That has been my presumption too. But I'm getting a trifle impatient.
I would love to know, in the eventuality (however small a chance) he doesnt pass the fit and proper test, does Di Matteo and team stay? If the arrangement is that they do, Why hold off with an interview? even a telephone interview or press release on the official site would help whet the appetite and maybe coax in some more ST sales.
Seems an awful waste of potential positive PR for a negative/beaten down fanbase...
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Does no one find it strange that there hasn't been an interview with the new manager yet?
Not really, it'll probably be a joint press conference with the new owner once takeover is clarified.
That has been my presumption too. But I'm getting a trifle impatient.
I would love to know, in the eventuality (however small a chance) he doesnt pass the fit and proper test, does Di Matteo and team stay? If the arrangement is that they do, Why hold off with an interview? even a telephone interview or press release on the official site would help whet the appetite and maybe coax in some more ST sales.
Seems an awful waste of potential positive PR for a negative/beaten down fanbase...
Jack's taken the mike with him!
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I don't think it matters too much really. Besides, Mourinho hasn't held a press conference for Man Utd either yet.
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I don't think it matters too much really. Besides, Mourinho hasn't held a press conference for Man Utd either yet.
What? Mourinho is manager at United? They kept that quiet
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They won't let him speak in public until he has washed his mouth out with carbolic soap and water.
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and promised never to talk to the club doctor
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I don't think it matters too much really. Besides, Mourinho hasn't held a press conference for Man Utd either yet.
What? Mourinho is manager at United? They kept that quiet
BBC and Talksport certainly didn't.
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Sarcasm
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There's a good article about our new goalkeeping coach from a few years back in the Guardian. Gives an idea on how he likes his keepers to be aggressive in dominating the box
I think that's been a massive weakness with us, keepers not commanding and communicating enough
See also:
- throw-ins
- movement off the ball at set pieces
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There's a good article about our new goalkeeping coach from a few years back in the Guardian. Gives an idea on how he likes his keepers to be aggressive in dominating the box
I think that's been a massive weakness with us, keepers not commanding and communicating enough
See also:
- throw-ins
- movement off the ball at set pieces
- passing
- shooting
- tackling
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There's a good article about our new goalkeeping coach from a few years back in the Guardian. Gives an idea on how he likes his keepers to be aggressive in dominating the box
I think that's been a massive weakness with us, keepers not commanding and communicating enough
See also:
- throw-ins
- movement off the ball at set pieces
- passing
- shooting
- tackling
-corner kicks
-shielding the ball from an opponent
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There's a good article about our new goalkeeping coach from a few years back in the Guardian. Gives an idea on how he likes his keepers to be aggressive in dominating the box
I think that's been a massive weakness with us, keepers not commanding and communicating enough
See also:
- throw-ins
- movement off the ball at set pieces
- passing
- shooting
- tackling
-corner kicks
-shielding the ball from an opponent
Staying awake?
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There's a good article about our new goalkeeping coach from a few years back in the Guardian. Gives an idea on how he likes his keepers to be aggressive in dominating the box
I think that's been a massive weakness with us, keepers not commanding and communicating enough
See also:
- throw-ins
- movement off the ball at set pieces
Fixed.
If we can get those things right and get our strikers the confidence to take shots on we'll look a totally different team to the last few years.
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not smiling after conceding a gift of a goal
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On the plus side, we're very good at pointing.
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"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.
A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?
I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone a 'c***' in English.
Yes really. You can stub your toe alone and say filho da puta. It doesn't necessarily have to be directed at a person..
True but when it is you can hardly complain if you get punched in the face. It really depends how it's said. Even said jokingly amongst friends you're on wobbly ground. It's far more offensive than 'son of a bitch', as BE said, it's more 'son of a prostitute/whore'. As the Portuguese love their mothers so much, it's pretty much the most offensive thing you can say to somebody.
disagree a bit with this. It's the British way to greet friends or close acquantancies offensively. I used to work in hackney at the council and there was a lad there, villa fan from Northampton, who used to cheerily greet me of a morning: alright you ******? Here in aus, the locals don't get it so much, but the poms are very forthcoming with 'friendly' insults. It doesn't bother me and never will. Can see how some may be offended though.
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There's a good article about our new goalkeeping coach from a few years back in the Guardian. Gives an idea on how he likes his keepers to be aggressive in dominating the box
I think that's been a massive weakness with us, keepers not commanding and communicating enough
See also:
- throw-ins
- movement off the ball at set pieces
On the ball at set pieces too.
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Throw ins has been an issue, Steve Sidwell ball boy aside for what seems like the past 20 years!
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Throw ins has been an issue, Steve Sidwell ball boy aside for what seems like the past 20 years!
Under Lambert I saw for the first time in my lifetime of watching football two foul throw ins from the same team when we played Hull City at the KC.
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Throw ins has been an issue, Steve Sidwell ball boy aside for what seems like the past 20 years!
Under Lambert I saw for the first time in my lifetime of watching football two foul throw ins from the same team when we played Hull City at the KC.
Was that the last game before he got the boot?
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Throw ins has been an issue, Steve Sidwell ball boy aside for what seems like the past 20 years!
Under Lambert I saw for the first time in my lifetime of watching football two foul throw ins from the same team when we played Hull City at the KC.
Was that the last game before he got the boot?
No, think it was 2013-14 season.
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To be fair if you watch any game - especially the top flight - you will find foul throws in every single game. not just minor infringements either but really poor shoddy foul throws that the referees or linesmen just let go. Annoys me no end.
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Does no one find it strange that there hasn't been an interview with the new manager yet?
Not really, it'll probably be a joint press conference with the new owner once takeover is clarified.
That has been my presumption too. But I'm getting a trifle impatient.
I would love to know, in the eventuality (however small a chance) he doesnt pass the fit and proper test, does Di Matteo and team stay? If the arrangement is that they do, Why hold off with an interview? even a telephone interview or press release on the official site would help whet the appetite and maybe coax in some more ST sales.
Seems an awful waste of potential positive PR for a negative/beaten down fanbase...
It would be a very guarded interview, to the point of not be able to answer any questions.
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Going back to the issue of us thinking Culverhouse and Karsa would be a good backroom team, I re-read an old article which made a big deal of Gabby and others not liking their training methods. Now, I'd find it hard to believe they got sacked for asking him to do a bit of training and cut down on the pies, as I suspect they would have gone to a tribunal (or whatever recourse they had). However, it makes you realise there may have been a bit more of two sides to the story than we thought. As far as I'm aware, it's never really been disclosed what went on.
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Going back to the issue of us thinking Culverhouse and Karsa would be a good backroom team, I re-read an old article which made a big deal of Gabby and others not liking their training methods. Now, I'd find it hard to believe they got sacked for asking him to do a bit of training and cut down on the pies, as I suspect they would have gone to a tribunal (or whatever recourse they had). However, it makes you realise there may have been a bit more of two sides to the story than we thought. As far as I'm aware, it's never really been disclosed what went on.
the fact they were suspended then fired without compensation is a clue though.
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Going back to the issue of us thinking Culverhouse and Karsa would be a good backroom team, I re-read an old article which made a big deal of Gabby and others not liking their training methods. Now, I'd find it hard to believe they got sacked for asking him to do a bit of training and cut down on the pies, as I suspect they would have gone to a tribunal (or whatever recourse they had). However, it makes you realise there may have been a bit more of two sides to the story than we thought. As far as I'm aware, it's never really been disclosed what went on.
the fact they were suspended then fired without compensation is a clue though.
I'd hate to imagine what a BBC employee would need to do to get that treatment
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Saying he liked football on Radio 3 would probably do it.
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Going back to the issue of us thinking Culverhouse and Karsa would be a good backroom team, I re-read an old article which made a big deal of Gabby and others not liking their training methods. Now, I'd find it hard to believe they got sacked for asking him to do a bit of training and cut down on the pies, as I suspect they would have gone to a tribunal (or whatever recourse they had). However, it makes you realise there may have been a bit more of two sides to the story than we thought. As far as I'm aware, it's never really been disclosed what went on.
the fact they were suspended then fired without compensation is a clue though.
I'd hate to imagine what a BBC employee would need to do to get that treatment
Post an attractive picture of Birmingham on their website.
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Going back to the issue of us thinking Culverhouse and Karsa would be a good backroom team, I re-read an old article which made a big deal of Gabby and others not liking their training methods. Now, I'd find it hard to believe they got sacked for asking him to do a bit of training and cut down on the pies, as I suspect they would have gone to a tribunal (or whatever recourse they had). However, it makes you realise there may have been a bit more of two sides to the story than we thought. As far as I'm aware, it's never really been disclosed what went on.
the fact they were suspended then fired without compensation is a clue though.
I'd hate to imagine what a BBC employee would need to do to get that treatment
Post an attractive picture of Birmingham on their website.
Only if not accompanied by a none too subtle, sarcastic "yes but it's still Birmingham which is obviously shit" kind of commentary.
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Going back to the issue of us thinking Culverhouse and Karsa would be a good backroom team, I re-read an old article which made a big deal of Gabby and others not liking their training methods. Now, I'd find it hard to believe they got sacked for asking him to do a bit of training and cut down on the pies, as I suspect they would have gone to a tribunal (or whatever recourse they had). However, it makes you realise there may have been a bit more of two sides to the story than we thought. As far as I'm aware, it's never really been disclosed what went on.
the fact they were suspended then fired without compensation is a clue though.
Which is sort of what I said in my original post. But, to mangle the relevance of a quotation, history is written by the victors. I'm sure they did something 'wrong', but how much was it all exacerbated by working with a bunch of lazy, arrogant twats. Or maybe Gabby was the good guy in all of this.
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Going back to the issue of us thinking Culverhouse and Karsa would be a good backroom team, I re-read an old article which made a big deal of Gabby and others not liking their training methods. Now, I'd find it hard to believe they got sacked for asking him to do a bit of training and cut down on the pies, as I suspect they would have gone to a tribunal (or whatever recourse they had). However, it makes you realise there may have been a bit more of two sides to the story than we thought. As far as I'm aware, it's never really been disclosed what went on.
the fact they were suspended then fired without compensation is a clue though.
Which is sort of what I said in my original post. But, to mangle the relevance of a quotation, history is written by the victors. I'm sure they did something 'wrong', but how much was it all exacerbated by working with a bunch of lazy, arrogant twats. Or maybe Gabby was the good guy in all of this.
Wasn't there a widely discussed bust-up (with no official confirmation of course) between Culverhouse/Karva on one side and Gabby/Sid on the other when K&C started bullying U-21's saying they were shit when the first team was dismal?
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"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.
A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?
I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone a 'c***' in English.
Yes really. You can stub your toe alone and say filho da puta. It doesn't necessarily have to be directed at a person..
True but when it is you can hardly complain if you get punched in the face. It really depends how it's said. Even said jokingly amongst friends you're on wobbly ground. It's far more offensive than 'son of a bitch', as BE said, it's more 'son of a prostitute/whore'. As the Portuguese love their mothers so much, it's pretty much the most offensive thing you can say to somebody.
disagree a bit with this. It's the British way to greet friends or close acquantancies offensively. I used to work in hackney at the council and there was a lad there, villa fan from Northampton, who used to cheerily greet me of a morning: alright you c***? Here in aus, the locals don't get it so much, but the poms are very forthcoming with 'friendly' insults. It doesn't bother me and never will. Can see how some may be offended though.
Interestingly a Brazilian mainstream TV programme about refs has just been released called Filhos da Puta. Kinda shoots down the argument that it's the most offensive phrase you can use in the Portuguese language. It's on C4 Walter if anyone's interested.
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"filho/filha do/da puta" is a general expletive in the Portuguese language, a bit like FFS or son of a bitch is in ours. I don't think she was wrong to take offence though.
A 'general' expletive? Calling one's mother a whore? Really?
I will let Rudy comment on the Portuguese but in French calling someone a 'fils/fille de pute" is almost as bad as calling someone a 'c***' in English.
Yes really. You can stub your toe alone and say filho da puta. It doesn't necessarily have to be directed at a person..
True but when it is you can hardly complain if you get punched in the face. It really depends how it's said. Even said jokingly amongst friends you're on wobbly ground. It's far more offensive than 'son of a bitch', as BE said, it's more 'son of a prostitute/whore'. As the Portuguese love their mothers so much, it's pretty much the most offensive thing you can say to somebody.
disagree a bit with this. It's the British way to greet friends or close acquantancies offensively. I used to work in hackney at the council and there was a lad there, villa fan from Northampton, who used to cheerily greet me of a morning: alright you c***? Here in aus, the locals don't get it so much, but the poms are very forthcoming with 'friendly' insults. It doesn't bother me and never will. Can see how some may be offended though.
Interestingly a Brazilian mainstream TV programme about refs has just been released called Filhos da Puta. Kinda shoots down the argument that it's the most offensive phrase you can use in the Portuguese language. It's on C4 Walter if anyone's interested.
Who's Walter?
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Laters innit
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Walter Presents is what I think SV is referring to. I have just watched an amazing Spanish TV series called Locked In on More 4 ( one of Walter's hand picked shows) and it was brilliantly compulsive TV with some language the chosen one would be proud of. Set in a women's prison, in Spain it's title was 'Conjugal Visits'.
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Naranja es la Nueva Negra ?
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no, it's narrative explored different themes with a particularly interesting depiction of the heroine's seemingly conventional middle class family, who proved to be anything but when faced with adversity and extreme violence.
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Starting pre season a bit earlier than planned (his demand according to his AVTV interview). Happy with that!
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I guess he wants to assess quickly so he can start getting rid/bringing players in. Not hanging around, good on him.
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Di Matteo brings a very quiet intelligence and confidence about him and it's good to know he has a reputable coach (if not manager) working with him.
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I guess he wants to assess quickly so he can start getting rid/bringing players in. Not hanging around, good on him.
He's meant to have already spoken to the players that he wants to keep and has identified who he wants to bring in. It sounds like he's already past assessing players.
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Di Matteo brings a very quiet intelligence and confidence about him and it's good to know he has a reputable coach (if not manager) working with him.
Exactly this. Hear hear.
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Di Matteo brings a very quiet intelligence and confidence about him and it's good to know he has a reputable coach (if not manager) working with him.
Also brings a good playing career and managerial honours with him, which although might not mean anything in the long run, should earn him initial respect.
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Watching the Portugal v Austria game last night, in the first half there was a brief shot of the dignitaries and RDM was there. I wonder if he was there just to see the game or if he was looking at some one for us.
As a lad in the pub said at the end of the game, if he was looking at players for us he hopes it isn't that Ronaldo bloke because he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo.
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We could probably get him for a knock down price after last night. A season tearing up the Championship could be just what he needs! :)
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We could probably get him for a knock down price after last night. A season tearing up the Championship could be just what he needs! :)
Too much of a risk - he looks like a proper N'Zogbia mark II, never achieved anything in his career.
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You're probably right. We can do better!
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I think Ciaran will be on his way. He's looked terrible in the 2 Ireland games and looks like he'll get nowhere near the potential he once had.
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Watching the Portugal v Austria game last night, in the first half there was a brief shot of the dignitaries and RDM was there. I wonder if he was there just to see the game or if he was looking at some one for us.
As a lad in the pub said at the end of the game, if he was looking at players for us he hopes it isn't that Ronaldo bloke because he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo.
There were lot of hard working guys in that Austrian team I bet RDM wouldn't mind in his team.
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Robbie Brady being linked today.
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Robbie Brady being linked today.
Not for the first time either.
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Robbie Brady being linked today.
Not for the first time either.
I think he'd fit us quite nicely.
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When my Italian missus saw Xia and Di Matteo being paraded at VP she was confused which one was our new Chinese owner. "They both have Chinese eyes!" she said, completely serious.
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With these Chinese eyes,
One look at you and I can't disguise....
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I think Ciaran will be on his way. He's looked terrible in the 2 Ireland games and looks like he'll get nowhere near the potential he once had.
I don't think we'll be fighting off bids from Inter Milan, but if he stays next season he could still be a competent player for the league we find ourselves in.
He always seems to have a clanger in him though, and that isn't a trait that has receded with time. We might get away with it at a lower standard, but if we are back up in 12 months, we need to be looking at better.
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I think Ciaran will be on his way. He's looked terrible in the 2 Ireland games and looks like he'll get nowhere near the potential he once had.
I don't think we'll be fighting off bids from Inter Milan, but if he stays next season he could still be a competent player for the league we find ourselves in.
He always seems to have a clanger in him though, and that isn't a trait that has receded with time. We might get away with it at a lower standard, but if we are back up in 12 months, we need to be looking at better.
Can't disagree with any of that, although, to be generous to the lad, he does tend to drop a bollock when trying to go the extra mile to take responsibility for the team. Compared to some of the shysters we've had over the last 5 years I'd have him all day.
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I'd get shot of Clark. Consistently shown to be not reliable, always within touching distance of a clanger.
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With Clark , I don't think it is the level he plays.
He is a genuine footballer but an awful decision maker and that will be with him where ever he plays.
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I think Ciaran will be on his way. He's looked terrible in the 2 Ireland games and looks like he'll get nowhere near the potential he once had.
I don't think we'll be fighting off bids from Inter Milan, but if he stays next season he could still be a competent player for the league we find ourselves in.
He always seems to have a clanger in him though, and that isn't a trait that has receded with time. We might get away with it at a lower standard, but if we are back up in 12 months, we need to be looking at better.
But he's not competent, he's a disaster waiting to happen. Time to get rid of the rubbish of the last 6 years, and he's a big part of it. He seems to be getting worse as well.
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I think his biggest, insurmountable flaw is that he believes he's a footballer rather than just a centre-half. He's not. Maybe if he concentrated solely on the latter, he could perhaps reach some level of competency in the role.
But I won't hold my breathe.
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One of the things that impressed me about him when he first broke through was his composure on the ball.
He was just lacking at the physical aspects. You can always bulk up, but it's harder to do the things that seemed to come naturally to him.
But his decision making at different times over the last few years has been woeful. I wouldn't write him off completely, because he has had the misfortune to play under some right duffers. And even with that handicap, he has still shown decent stretches of good form.
But he's getting to an age where we need to see more over an extended period of time now.
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I don't know if anyone else saw it before the England game but there was an interview with Eric Dier. He talked about his education in Portugal where they taught him to think, to be a few steps ahead and alert to danger. People have called for Clark to be made into a defensive midfielder and that may have been an option with the same education as Dier.
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I don't know if anyone else saw it before the England game but there was an interview with Eric Dier. He talked about his education in Portugal where they taught him to think, to be a few steps ahead and alert to danger. People have called for Clark to be made into a defensive midfielder and that may have been an option with the same education as Dier.
I thought his performance last season against Blues in that position had put that idea to bed.
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I don't know if anyone else saw it before the England game but there was an interview with Eric Dier. He talked about his education in Portugal where they taught him to think, to be a few steps ahead and alert to danger. People have called for Clark to be made into a defensive midfielder and that may have been an option with the same education as Dier.
I thought his performance last season against Blues in that position had put that idea to bed.
Wasn't that his original position before he moved to defence?
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I don't know if anyone else saw it before the England game but there was an interview with Eric Dier. He talked about his education in Portugal where they taught him to think, to be a few steps ahead and alert to danger. People have called for Clark to be made into a defensive midfielder and that may have been an option with the same education as Dier.
I thought his performance last season against Blues in that position had put that idea to bed.
im sure clark played as the holding midfielder against arsenal at home about 4 seasons ago, he scored both goals in a 4 - 2 defeat and was comfortably our man of the match
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You can tell when player is probably not very good, people starting talking about moving them out of their natural position!
He's good enough for the league we are in.
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My opinion on Clark is if we get an offer accept it
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You can tell when player is probably not very good, people starting talking about moving them out of their natural position!
He's good enough for the league we are in.
Allan Evans came to us as a Centre forward and moved to Centre half
Chris Sutton started life as a CH and moved to be a CF
Kenny Swain IIRC started life as a winger
Gareth Bale was bought as a LB and moved to attack
I am sure there are many more examples that show a player can change their position as they gain experience
I do agree though that as much as I like him Clark is not good enough for where we want to be either reading the game, physically or able to hold concentration
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I was pleased we got Kevin Bond on board. He always seemed to be very 'proactive' on the touchline when working for Spurs and QPR under 'Arry. Di Matteo has got out of this league previously with Smerrick FC and whilst I wouldn't want Clarke as manager his CV as an assistant is impressive.
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You can tell when player is probably not very good, people starting talking about moving them out of their natural position!
He's good enough for the league we are in.
Allan Evans came to us as a Centre forward and moved to Centre half
Chris Sutton started life as a CH and moved to be a CF
Kenny Swain IIRC started life as a winger
Gareth Bale was bought as a LB and moved to attack
I am sure there are many more examples that show a player can change their position as they gain experience
I do agree though that as much as I like him Clark is not good enough for where we want to be either reading the game, physically or able to hold concentration
Gareth Barry was a central defender, then a left-back, then a left-sided midfielder before settling back in as a central midfielder (where he started). It happens a lot and actually one of the biggest failings on the academy structure for English clubs is that we don't do it a lot more often. By the time a player reaches 17-18 they really should have played in 3-4 different positions and learned how to play each role to a decent level (other than for goalkeepers obviously). That's how you get central defenders who are comfortable on the ball or midfielders who are comfortable in stepping across and covering a fullback who's been caught up field. I think that experience generates players who are naturally more intelligent and can read and understand the game better because they see it from different perspectives.
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You can tell when player is probably not very good, people starting talking about moving them out of their natural position!
He's good enough for the league we are in.
Allan Evans came to us as a Centre forward and moved to Centre half
Chris Sutton started life as a CH and moved to be a CF
Kenny Swain IIRC started life as a winger
Gareth Bale was bought as a LB and moved to attack
I am sure there are many more examples that show a player can change their position as they gain experience
I do agree though that as much as I like him Clark is not good enough for where we want to be either reading the game, physically or able to hold concentration
Gareth Barry was a central defender, then a left-back, then a left-sided midfielder before settling back in as a central midfielder (where he started). It happens a lot and actually one of the biggest failings on the academy structure for English clubs is that we don't do it a lot more often. By the time a player reaches 17-18 they really should have played in 3-4 different positions and learned how to play each role to a decent level (other than for goalkeepers obviously). That's how you get central defenders who are comfortable on the ball or midfielders who are comfortable in stepping across and covering a fullback who's been caught up field. I think that experience generates players who are naturally more intelligent and can read and understand the game better because they see it from different perspectives.
Wise words Paul, we can live in hope with this new regime.
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You can tell when player is probably not very good, people starting talking about moving them out of their natural position!
He's good enough for the league we are in.
Allan Evans came to us as a Centre forward and moved to Centre half
Chris Sutton started life as a CH and moved to be a CF
Kenny Swain IIRC started life as a winger
Gareth Bale was bought as a LB and moved to attack
I am sure there are many more examples that show a player can change their position as they gain experience
Con Martin must surely be the most versatile player we've ever had?
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You can tell when player is probably not very good, people starting talking about moving them out of their natural position!
He's good enough for the league we are in.
Allan Evans came to us as a Centre forward and moved to Centre half
Chris Sutton started life as a CH and moved to be a CF
Kenny Swain IIRC started life as a winger
Gareth Bale was bought as a LB and moved to attack
I am sure there are many more examples that show a player can change their position as they gain experience
I do agree though that as much as I like him Clark is not good enough for where we want to be either reading the game, physically or able to hold concentration
Gareth Barry was a central defender, then a left-back, then a left-sided midfielder before settling back in as a central midfielder (where he started). It happens a lot and actually one of the biggest failings on the academy structure for English clubs is that we don't do it a lot more often. By the time a player reaches 17-18 they really should have played in 3-4 different positions and learned how to play each role to a decent level (other than for goalkeepers obviously). That's how you get central defenders who are comfortable on the ball or midfielders who are comfortable in stepping across and covering a fullback who's been caught up field. I think that experience generates players who are naturally more intelligent and can read and understand the game better because they see it from different perspectives.
good point PaulE. Barry really came on for Villa when he moved to left midfield. Players that are versed in a number of positions add to their resale value aswell.
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Ferguson had a penchant for chucking newcomers to the side in at right-back. And didn't Wenger start Henry on the wing so's he'd have an appreciation of what he needed to do to be on the receiving end as a centre-forward?
All of which is distracting from my thinking that he's getting worse with each passing season. If he could play anywhere else, why has not one of the plethora of managers we've endured since his debut employed him there, other than in an emergency?
You can't compare him to Barry, even at sixteen everyone could see he'd got something.
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You can tell when player is probably not very good, people starting talking about moving them out of their natural position!
He's good enough for the league we are in.
Allan Evans came to us as a Centre forward and moved to Centre half
Chris Sutton started life as a CH and moved to be a CF
Kenny Swain IIRC started life as a winger
Gareth Bale was bought as a LB and moved to attack
I am sure there are many more examples that show a player can change their position as they gain experience
I do agree though that as much as I like him Clark is not good enough for where we want to be either reading the game, physically or able to hold concentration
Gareth Barry was a central defender, then a left-back, then a left-sided midfielder before settling back in as a central midfielder (where he started). It happens a lot and actually one of the biggest failings on the academy structure for English clubs is that we don't do it a lot more often. By the time a player reaches 17-18 they really should have played in 3-4 different positions and learned how to play each role to a decent level (other than for goalkeepers obviously). That's how you get central defenders who are comfortable on the ball or midfielders who are comfortable in stepping across and covering a fullback who's been caught up field. I think that experience generates players who are naturally more intelligent and can read and understand the game better because they see it from different perspectives.
good point PaulE. Barry really came on for Villa when he moved to left midfield. Players that are versed in a number of positions add to their resale value aswell.
With Barry it made him a much more rounded player (and I'm not talking about his arse) it really helped his game to have those other experiences and made him, in my opinion, the most complete English central midfielder of his generation (I didn't say the best before anyone jumps in) who would've been truly world class if he'd had an extra yard of pace.
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You can tell when player is probably not very good, people starting talking about moving them out of their natural position!
He's good enough for the league we are in.
Allan Evans came to us as a Centre forward and moved to Centre half
Chris Sutton started life as a CH and moved to be a CF
Kenny Swain IIRC started life as a winger
Gareth Bale was bought as a LB and moved to attack
I am sure there are many more examples that show a player can change their position as they gain experience
I do agree though that as much as I like him Clark is not good enough for where we want to be either reading the game, physically or able to hold concentration
Gareth Barry was a central defender, then a left-back, then a left-sided midfielder before settling back in as a central midfielder (where he started). It happens a lot and actually one of the biggest failings on the academy structure for English clubs is that we don't do it a lot more often. By the time a player reaches 17-18 they really should have played in 3-4 different positions and learned how to play each role to a decent level (other than for goalkeepers obviously). That's how you get central defenders who are comfortable on the ball or midfielders who are comfortable in stepping across and covering a fullback who's been caught up field. I think that experience generates players who are naturally more intelligent and can read and understand the game better because they see it from different perspectives.
this is what they do at Ajax
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You can tell when player is probably not very good, people starting talking about moving them out of their natural position!
He's good enough for the league we are in.
Allan Evans came to us as a Centre forward and moved to Centre half
Chris Sutton started life as a CH and moved to be a CF
Kenny Swain IIRC started life as a winger
Gareth Bale was bought as a LB and moved to attack
I am sure there are many more examples that show a player can change their position as they gain experience
I do agree though that as much as I like him Clark is not good enough for where we want to be either reading the game, physically or able to hold concentration
Gareth Barry was a central defender, then a left-back, then a left-sided midfielder before settling back in as a central midfielder (where he started). It happens a lot and actually one of the biggest failings on the academy structure for English clubs is that we don't do it a lot more often. By the time a player reaches 17-18 they really should have played in 3-4 different positions and learned how to play each role to a decent level (other than for goalkeepers obviously). That's how you get central defenders who are comfortable on the ball or midfielders who are comfortable in stepping across and covering a fullback who's been caught up field. I think that experience generates players who are naturally more intelligent and can read and understand the game better because they see it from different perspectives.
this is what they do at Ajax
Also Barca and Bayern to name a few.
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You can tell when player is probably not very good, people starting talking about moving them out of their natural position!
He's good enough for the league we are in.
Allan Evans came to us as a Centre forward and moved to Centre half
Chris Sutton started life as a CH and moved to be a CF
Kenny Swain IIRC started life as a winger
Gareth Bale was bought as a LB and moved to attack
I am sure there are many more examples that show a player can change their position as they gain experience
I do agree though that as much as I like him Clark is not good enough for where we want to be either reading the game, physically or able to hold concentration
Gareth Barry was a central defender, then a left-back, then a left-sided midfielder before settling back in as a central midfielder (where he started). It happens a lot and actually one of the biggest failings on the academy structure for English clubs is that we don't do it a lot more often. By the time a player reaches 17-18 they really should have played in 3-4 different positions and learned how to play each role to a decent level (other than for goalkeepers obviously). That's how you get central defenders who are comfortable on the ball or midfielders who are comfortable in stepping across and covering a fullback who's been caught up field. I think that experience generates players who are naturally more intelligent and can read and understand the game better because they see it from different perspectives.
this is what they do at Ajax
Also Barca and Bayern to name a few.
It's fine to do when a player has displayed that they're going to be good in a position, such as Gareth Southgate as another example.
At Villa though, it's nearly always been the case recently that the player in question is crap, somebody says "there's a player in there somewhere" and then somebody else suggests playing them in a different position in the forlorn hope that they will be less crap than whatever talentless twat we've got playing there at the moment.
Examples include - Joe Bennett, shit at right back, so suggestions he should play on the wing. Ciaran Clark, crap as a central defender, so should play in midfield. Gabriel Agbonlahor, crap as a striker, so should be used as temporary flood barrier in case the London one isn't up to the job.
I don't think any of our current players who have been shit in their position of choice are good enough to reinvent themselves in a new position. We don't have anybody anywhere near as good as Southgate or Barry. If they're rubbish, get rid of them, and buy the right players for the job.
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I agree with Risso.
*spits on floor*
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You can tell when player is probably not very good, people starting talking about moving them out of their natural position!
He's good enough for the league we are in.
Allan Evans came to us as a Centre forward and moved to Centre half
Chris Sutton started life as a CH and moved to be a CF
Kenny Swain IIRC started life as a winger
Gareth Bale was bought as a LB and moved to attack
I am sure there are many more examples that show a player can change their position as they gain experience
I do agree though that as much as I like him Clark is not good enough for where we want to be either reading the game, physically or able to hold concentration
Gareth Barry was a central defender, then a left-back, then a left-sided midfielder before settling back in as a central midfielder (where he started). It happens a lot and actually one of the biggest failings on the academy structure for English clubs is that we don't do it a lot more often. By the time a player reaches 17-18 they really should have played in 3-4 different positions and learned how to play each role to a decent level (other than for goalkeepers obviously). That's how you get central defenders who are comfortable on the ball or midfielders who are comfortable in stepping across and covering a fullback who's been caught up field. I think that experience generates players who are naturally more intelligent and can read and understand the game better because they see it from different perspectives.
this is what they do at Ajax
Also Barca and Bayern to name a few.
It's fine to do when a player has displayed that they're going to be good in a position, such as Gareth Southgate as another example.
At Villa though, it's nearly always been the case recently that the player in question is crap, somebody says "there's a player in there somewhere" and then somebody else suggests playing them in a different position in the forlorn hope that they will be less crap than whatever talentless twat we've got playing there at the moment.
Examples include - Joe Bennett, shit at right back, so suggestions he should play on the wing. Ciaran Clark, crap as a central defender, so should play in midfield. Gabriel Agbonlahor, crap as a striker, so should be used as temporary flood barrier in case the London one isn't up to the job.
I don't think any of our current players who have been shit in their position of choice are good enough to reinvent themselves in a new position. We don't have anybody anywhere near as good as Southgate or Barry. If they're rubbish, get rid of them, and buy the right players for the job.
the point you're missing there is that those players are already too old for it, making a 22-25 year old switch positions is either to fill a gap or because they're not good enough, sometimes it works but generally not. Getting them playing those positions in the academy (or before) is giving a rounded 'education' as a footballer and helps develop higher standards.
To draw some examples: In English rugby (I know I bring it up too often) the positions tend not to be changed but every young player now gets coached to do every role, and you get more rounded players who can cope better with changing circumstances in a game. This general upskilling is why we have a very young side who are ranked 2nd in the world (and will close the gap on NZ over the next 18 months).
In the cricket the same is true, being a good young bowler or batsman isn't good enough for England anymore, you either need to be an all rounder or be a damn fine fielder to make it into the England team and that upskilling means we currently hold 8 of the 9 test trophies available to us and are rapidly improving in the ODI and T20 stakes as well.
Basic skills and a thorough understanding of the game from a young age is a huge advantage and turns average players into good ones. It won't create world class players but it will drag the general standard up and improve the club naturally.
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I've played in every position in my footballing days, not a few games here or there but long stretches. It certainly made me a more completely useless footballer than I would otherwise have been.
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I played in a team where the faces changed nearly every week, and the skipper would always ask everyone where they played and stick me in the gap ! I once went a whole season without playing in the same position in consecutive weeks.
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I played in a team where the faces changed nearly every week, and the skipper would always ask everyone where they played and stick me in the gap ! I once went a whole season without playing in the same position in consecutive weeks.
Surely the captain could see that you were a natural right winger :)
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I played in a team where the faces changed nearly every week, and the skipper would always ask everyone where they played and stick me in the gap ! I once went a whole season without playing in the same position in consecutive weeks.
Surely the captain could see that you were a natural right winger :)
Like it.
Actually I usually played in the centre, with a right sided preference, but occasionally deployed on the left. Hmmm.
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I've played in every position in my footballing days, not a few games here or there but long stretches. It certainly made me a more completely useless footballer than I would otherwise have been.
As a natural centre forward, you couldn't flourish under these conditions.
Or as a natural goalkeeper.
Either way, just saying.
Hashtag, Release the winger?
Difficult to know from your post.
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I played in a team where the faces changed nearly every week, and the skipper would always ask everyone where they played and stick me in the gap ! I once went a whole season without playing in the same position in consecutive weeks.
Surely the captain could see that you were a natural right winger :)
Like it.
Actually I usually played in the centre, with a right sided preference, but occasionally deployed on the left. Hmmm.
Excellent.
Once we find out what Lee is, we could begin to have a team!
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Carlos Sanchez in goal.
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With Clark , I don't think it is the level he plays.
He is a genuine footballer but an awful decision maker and that will be with him where ever he plays.
In which case there might be hope, as decision making will improve with experience and crucially coaching.
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With Clark , I don't think it is the level he plays.
He is a genuine footballer but an awful decision maker and that will be with him where ever he plays.
In which case their might be hope, as decision making will improve with experience and crucially coaching.
Agreed - Clark is a footballer but has a poor decision-making capacity; this may change with coaching or he is too set in his ways or thick to adapt. Next season, with a set of decent coaches, will be his crucial one - as per Baker, and several others.
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I wonder if di Matteo and Clarke have been sitting with a box set of DVS from last season watching the games (they've yet to resign so probably not). otherwise I hope they aren't waiting to see how the players respond in training before deciding who to keep and who to get rid of. Also, who is the continuity person? Sir Brian? One of the coaches like Sid (if he's still there)? Someone who can let the manager know what went on last season and who needs to go - although clearly that is the manager's decision. How do we know that they will make the right decisions?
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We need to be a unit of togetherness on and off the pitch, therefor, no matter what they say or how hard they train
Richards
Lescott
Agbonlahor
Bacuna
Guzan
All need to be sacked off no matter what.
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Whilst I agree I'd rather not see any of these again in a Villa shirt, we really have to let the manager make the decision.
For example, if he decides Lescott can make a reasonable contribution to the squad in a 46 game season (+ cups), then I am happy enough for him to make that call. However, I would be very dissapointed if we retain all of them.
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Some of those are on lengthy contracts, so it won't be that straightforward.
Do you spend £20 million paying that lot off and scupper the transfer budget, or do you work on deals to get them out of the club? If it is the latter, we might have to wait until near the end of the transfer window before clubs take a gamble. It would be odd if any of that lot were towards the top of any managers list.
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Some of those are on lengthy contracts, so it won't be that straightforward.
Do you spend £20 million paying that lot off and scupper the transfer budget, or do you work on deals to get them out of the club? If it is the latter, we might have to wait until near the end of the transfer window before clubs take a gamble. It would be odd if any of that lot were towards the top of any managers list.
*prays Tim Sherwood gets a gig somewhere*
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Whilst I agree I'd rather not see any of these again in a Villa shirt, we really have to let the manager make the decision.
For example, if he decides Lescott can make a reasonable contribution to the squad in a 46 game season (+ cups), then I am happy enough for him to make that call. However, I would be very dissapointed if we retain all of them.
Rapprochement/ reconciliation might be best for us all.
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We need to be a unit of togetherness on and off the pitch, therefor, no matter what they say or how hard they train
Richards
Lescott
Agbonlahor
Bacuna
Guzan
All need to be sacked off no matter what.
This is why the arrival of Clarke and Bond is a real bonus. Bodymoor Heath needs to become a proper work place again. There won't be time for pissing about anymore.
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When does pre-season training start?
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We need to be a unit of togetherness on and off the pitch, therefor, no matter what they say or how hard they train
Richards
Lescott
Agbonlahor
Bacuna
Guzan
All need to be sacked off no matter what.
i agree, maybe you could make a case for Lescott but the other 4 must go.
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We'll get a buyer for Richards I'm sure but the rest of them will be tough to shift.
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We'll get a buyer for Richards I'm sure but the rest of them will be tough to shift.
Guzan and Bacuna will get offers as well.
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The truth is they might all want to go and not deal with it anymore. It's as much about their determination to leave as it is our determination to not have them at the club.
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When does pre-season training start?
Next week. In Austria.
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We'll get a buyer for Richards I'm sure but the rest of them will be tough to shift.
Guzan and Bacuna will get offers as well.
For sure. I don't think we'll be demanding big fees for any of them. Bacuna will end up back in Holland and we'll probably bring in something along the lines of what we paid for him (750k-ish).
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When does pre-season training start?
Next week. In Austria.
Not to appear pedantic, but... ( from the local Rag) "Di Matteo alerted the seniors to his plans last week and told all the non-internationals to return on June 29 - two days after he officially starts at Bodymoor Heath alongside a new-look coaching team .
Di Matteo’s immediate plans are to press on with transfer targets before embarking on his first full day at the training ground on June 27 .
Two days will be spent mapping out a fitness schedule and discussing ideas with assistant Steve Clarke and first-team coach Kevin Bond.
When the players return they will be introduced to Di Matteo and his team and then put through their paces by new fitness coach Max Marchesi.
The first six or seven days will largely be fitness-based workouts before Villa step up the pace when they visit Austria for a warm-weather training camp " .
I believe they are scheduled to leave for Austria on July4th/ 5th for a week.....Godzvilla!
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For those that have played sport to an even half decent level I'm not sure what was worse pre-season training or the lead up to pre-season training. That bit about fitness based workouts just brought it all back. It is truly horrible. Fit as a fiddle after but my God does it hurt. Your head wants you to stop, to cheat, to just collapse but you keep going. No nicey nicey coaches either they're all monsters. How I miss it...
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For those that have played sport to an even half decent level I'm not sure what was worse pre-season training or the lead up to pre-season training. That bit about fitness based workouts just brought it all back. It is truly horrible. Fit as a fiddle after but my God does it hurt. Your head wants you to stop, to cheat, to just collapse but you keep going. No nicey nicey coaches either they're all monsters. How I miss it...
Cribbage?
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We'll get a buyer for Richards I'm sure but the rest of them will be tough to shift.
Guzan and Bacuna will get offers as well.
For sure. I don't think we'll be demanding big fees for any of them. Bacuna will end up back in Holland and we'll probably bring in something along the lines of what we paid for him (750k-ish).
I reckon Bacuna will still be with us next season. As will Lescott.
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Bacuna with his head sorted will rip up second division teams.
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Bacuna with his head sorted will rip up second division teams.
He couldn't rip up a piece of wet value toilet paper
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He offered out his own fans. At Villa Park.
There's no coming back from that.
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For those that have played sport to an even half decent level I'm not sure what was worse pre-season training or the lead up to pre-season training. That bit about fitness based workouts just brought it all back. It is truly horrible. Fit as a fiddle after but my God does it hurt. Your head wants you to stop, to cheat, to just collapse but you keep going. No nicey nicey coaches either they're all monsters. How I miss it...
It will be a lot more science based now. It will still be bloody hard but back in the day people were just pounded into the ground and it probably be regarded as dangerous these days. Players are also given programmes to do over the summer to keep them ticking over. When I played, we did nothing all summer and then just got pounded on in pre-season.
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For those that have played sport to an even half decent level I'm not sure what was worse pre-season training or the lead up to pre-season training. That bit about fitness based workouts just brought it all back. It is truly horrible. Fit as a fiddle after but my God does it hurt. Your head wants you to stop, to cheat, to just collapse but you keep going. No nicey nicey coaches either they're all monsters. How I miss it...
It will be a lot more science based now. It will still be bloody hard but back in the day people were just pounded into the ground and it probably be regarded as dangerous these days. Players are also given programmes to do over the summer to keep them ticking over. When I played, we did nothing all summer and then just got pounded on in pre-season.
when I got a bit older I kept fit through the summer to avoid that first training session nightmare.
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For those that have played sport to an even half decent level I'm not sure what was worse pre-season training or the lead up to pre-season training. That bit about fitness based workouts just brought it all back. It is truly horrible. Fit as a fiddle after but my God does it hurt. Your head wants you to stop, to cheat, to just collapse but you keep going. No nicey nicey coaches either they're all monsters. How I miss it...
Now matter how hard pre season was, I always found the first game of the season physically tough.
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For those that have played sport to an even half decent level I'm not sure what was worse pre-season training or the lead up to pre-season training. That bit about fitness based workouts just brought it all back. It is truly horrible. Fit as a fiddle after but my God does it hurt. Your head wants you to stop, to cheat, to just collapse but you keep going. No nicey nicey coaches either they're all monsters. How I miss it...
It will be a lot more science based now. It will still be bloody hard but back in the day people were just pounded into the ground and it probably be regarded as dangerous these days. Players are also given programmes to do over the summer to keep them ticking over. When I played, we did nothing all summer and then just got pounded on in pre-season.
when I got a bit older I kept fit through the summer to avoid that first training session nightmare.
We tried that once, finished a season strongly, and decided to keep it up all through the summer, maintain a bit of momentum and all that.
First game was still as crippling as any other season!
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For those that have played sport to an even half decent level I'm not sure what was worse pre-season training or the lead up to pre-season training. That bit about fitness based workouts just brought it all back. It is truly horrible. Fit as a fiddle after but my God does it hurt. Your head wants you to stop, to cheat, to just collapse but you keep going. No nicey nicey coaches either they're all monsters. How I miss it...
It will be a lot more science based now. It will still be bloody hard but back in the day people were just pounded into the ground and it probably be regarded as dangerous these days. Players are also given programmes to do over the summer to keep them ticking over. When I played, we did nothing all summer and then just got pounded on in pre-season.
when I got a bit older I kept fit through the summer to avoid that first training session nightmare.
I think anyone who has had the experience of not doing anything all summer and then that first training session back has probably become motivated to not let their fitness not drop too much.
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For those that have played sport to an even half decent level I'm not sure what was worse pre-season training or the lead up to pre-season training. That bit about fitness based workouts just brought it all back. It is truly horrible. Fit as a fiddle after but my God does it hurt. Your head wants you to stop, to cheat, to just collapse but you keep going. No nicey nicey coaches either they're all monsters. How I miss it...
The secret to it is that you keep going. I used to run half marathons in the two months or so I had off, so when I went back to the nastiness of pre-season training I was still very fit, but the pain from being kicked week after week had gone.
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The problem being is that you still inevitably drop a level or two over the summer (you never lose your fitness) because of the mental side as much as the physical. You do little fitness work over the season because you only need to go through a series of top-ups and conditioning. The first game was always difficult because your mind isn't as finely tuned as it is when your in February, say. it's also why it's more difficult for a player coming on as a sub in the 75th/80th minute to get up to the speed of the game despite their fresher legs than someone who looks like they might be tiring.
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There is that as well Pete, totally agree.
Good preseason strength training is good (we used to play beach football and do runs along the sand and dunes for training). There is nothing though to swap for playing, being fit is one thing but being match fit is a completely different thing and a lot more difficult.
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As Jack Wilshere showed earlier in the week. A yard off the pace all the time.
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Where are the photos of the new management team working, like Florence Nightengale, by gas lamp and surrounded by injured, wailing, bodies?
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For those that have played sport to an even half decent level I'm not sure what was worse pre-season training or the lead up to pre-season training. That bit about fitness based workouts just brought it all back. It is truly horrible. Fit as a fiddle after but my God does it hurt. Your head wants you to stop, to cheat, to just collapse but you keep going. No nicey nicey coaches either they're all monsters. How I miss it...
The secret to it is that you keep going. I used to run half marathons in the two months or so I had off, so when I went back to the nastiness of pre-season training I was still very fit, but the pain from being kicked week after week had gone.
Every year I promised myself I would do that. Hardly ever did and pre-season half killed me every time. That was rugby, but same principals I'm sure.
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As i said your fitness doesn't significantly drop its the stamina that takes a battering and its that what kills you.
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Considering our circumstances, it is all too quiet for my liking. This next month is going to be interesting/fun/crucial/eye opening/pant wettingly worrying (delete where appropriate).
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Does anyone know if there is any connection between RDM and the acclaimed villa fan Cesar prandelli ?
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I think, that it was reported that R D M thought our squad was to big. The current squad has 31 players with first team experience. I wonder, what squad size he is looking ,and how easy will it be to achieve it.
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I think, that it was reported that R D M thought our squad was to big. The current squad has 31 players with first team experience. I wonder, what squad size he is looking ,and how easy will it be to achieve it.
Not sure. 31 maybe small for the top flight but big in the Championsip although given the extra games you play it could be a bit bigger. When you consider how many of those 31 could actually do a job then suddenly that squad feels a whole lot smaller. Think we need about five or six good signings before the start of the season, adn then to figure which from the current squad is best suited to perform in the Championship.
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I am guessing that he wants around 25. That may mean losing around ten of the current squad to bring in four. I hope by the time we get to the close of the transfer window that we have fitter, better quality throughout. We shall see.
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It's about the first time I can remember hearing a Villa manager say that the squad is too big.
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Getting shot of one or two shouldn't be too difficult Gardner, Toner, Bunn or Steer or both, Lyden, Cissokho, Bennett, Gil, and that's before we get to those that want to leave, and then those we want to move on. I reckon it'll be something like 10-15 out 5-10 in.
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Are you suggesting getting rid of Toner and Lyden?
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Are you suggesting getting rid of Toner and Lyden?
We can still do short-term loans in the Championship, right?
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It's about the first time I can remember hearing a Villa manager say that the squad is too big.
Not sure if we have heard this one say so either!
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It's about the first time I can remember hearing a Villa manager say that the squad is too big.
Not sure if we have heard this one say so either!
"First of all when I analysed the squad I think we have too many players, the squad is too big so I will certainly look to trim the squad," said Di Matteo.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-boss-roberto-di-11481018
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Are you suggesting getting rid of Toner and Lyden?
Yes. They are bang average players who benefitted from not being Richards, Lescott, Bacuna etc last season so were lauded far beyond their abilities. The Phil Robinsons or Dean Glovers of 2016 Aston Villa.
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Are you suggesting getting rid of Toner and Lyden?
Yes. They are bang average players who benefitted from not being Richards, Lescott, Bacuna etc last season so were lauded far beyond their abilities. The Phil Robinsons or Dean Glovers of 2016 Aston Villa.
I agree.
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Are you suggesting getting rid of Toner and Lyden?
Yes. They are bang average players who benefitted from not being Richards, Lescott, Bacuna etc last season so were lauded far beyond their abilities. The Phil Robinsons or Dean Glovers of 2016 Aston Villa.
Or potentially the Steven Davis and Gary Cahill of 2016...?
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Are you suggesting getting rid of Toner and Lyden?
Yes. They are bang average players who benefitted from not being Richards, Lescott, Bacuna etc last season so were lauded far beyond their abilities. The Phil Robinsons or Dean Glovers of 2016 Aston Villa.
Or potentially the Steven Davis and Gary Cahill of 2016...?
I agree, I don't think we can judge them based on being chucked in during our shambles of last season. Peter might be right but I would sooner they be given a little more time.
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Are you suggesting getting rid of Toner and Lyden?
Yes. They are bang average players who benefitted from not being Richards, Lescott, Bacuna etc last season so were lauded far beyond their abilities. The Phil Robinsons or Dean Glovers of 2016 Aston Villa.
Nothing like giving young players the chance to develop at a level a bit less demanding and also making a statement to other young players coming through.
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Are you suggesting getting rid of Toner and Lyden?
Yes. They are bang average players who benefitted from not being Richards, Lescott, Bacuna etc last season so were lauded far beyond their abilities. The Phil Robinsons or Dean Glovers of 2016 Aston Villa.
Nothing like giving young players the chance to develop at a level a bit less demanding and also making a statement to other young players coming through.
I hope to see more younger players feature this season. I read somewhere that four or five of the U21 squad will be training with the first team.
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Are you suggesting getting rid of Toner and Lyden?
Yes. They are bang average players who benefitted from not being Richards, Lescott, Bacuna etc last season so were lauded far beyond their abilities. The Phil Robinsons or Dean Glovers of 2016 Aston Villa.
How on earth can you come to that conclusion based them being introduced to the first team under those conditions last season?
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I'm all for playing young players but only if they're good enough. Don't just call for them to be in the team because they came through the ranks. Christ we've had some shit come through the ranks over the last few years, players who aren't fit for the shirt really. They certainly contributed to our decline since 2010.
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What's been a little surprising is that aside from a couple of pictures that came on the day players returned for pre season there hasn't been any others, no videos, interviews etc. It's like everything is being done in secrecy by the new regime. I imagine between now and the training camp some more might come out but they are looking to conduct a thorough review so maybe as part of that they are trying to keep things as private as possible.
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I'm all for playing young players but only if they're good enough. Don't just call for them to be in the team because they came through the ranks. Christ we've had some shit come through the ranks over the last few years, players who aren't fit for the shirt really. They certainly contributed to our decline since 2010.
That goes without saying, and often they have come in way before their time, or just because the actual first team players are shit. Young players should only be introduced because they add something. I just don't think that any of us has seen enough of Lyden and Toner yet to say they should be ditched.
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Are you suggesting getting rid of Toner and Lyden?
Yes. They are bang average players who benefitted from not being Richards, Lescott, Bacuna etc last season so were lauded far beyond their abilities. The Phil Robinsons or Dean Glovers of 2016 Aston Villa.
How on earth can you come to that conclusion based them being introduced to the first team under those conditions last season?
Because they looked average players. you don't need see players in good teams to be able to judge their ability, if anything that blinds people. Toner came in because there was very little choice but to bring him in (I suppose you could thank Black for that), but he doesn't look anything other than what he was ran average player in a poor team.
he could well develop but I haven't watched him and thought he was anything other than what i've described. I also haven't heard many people on here salivate over an Elphick and Toner back line. He's still young though so maybe he does have time on his side to develop but he doesn't stand out in any way, shape, or form, for anyone to think he is likely to.
Moving on from that, I think other players that Di matteo may look at in terms of the squad being too large is Suliman, Blackett-Taylor, Watkins, Mason, Sellars, and Davis. What do you do with them? You can't give them contracts and then dump them in the reserves so either loan to the lower leagues or sell. It also depends on reports and age too, obviously, but the scouting system has been heavily criticised and rightly so. Not everyone is able to develop a Bale or a Rooney, but we're barely able to produce a Clark or a Bannan at the moment.
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Time will tell. All we can do is have faith in RDM and Clarke. The ones who are good enough will surely get a chance, maybe even some of the ones who aren't quite will also. Our best hope is to rid the squad of as many of the under achievers we had last season and start afresh, in my view.
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What's been a little surprising is that aside from a couple of pictures that came on the day players returned for pre season there hasn't been any others, no videos, interviews etc. It's like everything is being done in secrecy by the new regime. I imagine between now and the training camp some more might come out but they are looking to conduct a thorough review so maybe as part of that they are trying to keep things as private as possible.
Either that or all the people who would be taking pictures, conducting interviews and writing up the copy for the website have been laid off.
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Are you suggesting getting rid of Toner and Lyden?
Yes. They are bang average players who benefitted from not being Richards, Lescott, Bacuna etc last season so were lauded far beyond their abilities. The Phil Robinsons or Dean Glovers of 2016 Aston Villa.
How on earth can you come to that conclusion based them being introduced to the first team under those conditions last season?
Because they looked average players. you don't need see players in good teams to be able to judge their ability, if anything that blinds people. Toner came in because there was very little choice but to bring him in (I suppose you could thank Black for that), but he doesn't look anything other than what he was ran average player in a poor team.
he could well develop but I haven't watched him and thought he was anything other than what i've described. I also haven't heard many people on here salivate over an Elphick and Toner back line. He's still young though so maybe he does have time on his side to develop but he doesn't stand out in any way, shape, or form, for anyone to think he is likely to.
Moving on from that, I think other players that Di matteo may look at in terms of the squad being too large is Suliman, Blackett-Taylor, Watkins, Mason, Sellars, and Davis. What do you do with them? You can't give them contracts and then dump them in the reserves so either loan to the lower leagues or sell. It also depends on reports and age too, obviously, but the scouting system has been heavily criticised and rightly so. Not everyone is able to develop a Bale or a Rooney, but we're barely able to produce a Clark or a Bannan at the moment.
and yet some are talking about keeping on Hutton, Westwood etc. who would clearly blocking the development of the team going forward.
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You need to keep some experienced players - whoever they may be - and add better quality to it. I don't think there's any doubt that there are better players around than Hutton and Westwood, for example, but getting rid of them just because we hope the academy players will turn out to be better is mindlessly optimistic at best and dereliction of any coaching/managerial duty at worst.
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What's been a little surprising is that aside from a couple of pictures that came on the day players returned for pre season there hasn't been any others, no videos, interviews etc. It's like everything is being done in secrecy by the new regime. I imagine between now and the training camp some more might come out but they are looking to conduct a thorough review so maybe as part of that they are trying to keep things as private as possible.
Either that or all the people who would be taking pictures, conducting interviews and writing up the copy for the website have been laid off.
so who took the pictures and videos when Xia/RDM joined the club or when Elphick joined? And even if some of our media team were laid off we could just outsource those services.
edit: well that was well timed
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our new fitness coach has quite an impressive website
http://www.maxmarchesi.com/
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our new fitness coach has quite an impressive website
http://www.maxmarchesi.com/
Except it says he's Inter's fitness bloke.
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it's great to see Stan in the background of some of those training pictures also.
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It's about the first time I can remember hearing a Villa manager say that the squad is too big.
Not sure if we have heard this one say so either!
"First of all when I analysed the squad I think we have too many players, the squad is too big so I will certainly look to trim the squad," said Di Matteo.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-boss-roberto-di-11481018
Thanks. So he has. Good.
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Does anyone know when we go to the training camp in Austria?
It will be interesting to see who RDM decides to take to Austria
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Thursday I think.
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Why is he taking Thursday with him?
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because his man Friday couldn't make it
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because his man Friday couldn't make it
Nice
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it's great to see Stan in the background of some of those training pictures also.
Yes but not so seeing Bacuna!!
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it's great to see Stan in the background of some of those training pictures also.
Yes but not so seeing Bacuna!!
There's a pleasing lack of Richards too ...
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Nothing new there..
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Don't know if this has been posted but RDM calls Aston Villa ‘a house that needed to be knocked down'
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/18/roberto-di-matteo-aston-villa-house-needed-knocked-down
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RDM is more skeptical about our promotion chances than Dr Xia. Not a bad idea if he wants more money for a striker! Good article.
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Don't know if this has been posted but RDM calls Aston Villa ‘a house that needed to be knocked down'
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/18/roberto-di-matteo-aston-villa-house-needed-knocked-down
RDM said he hoped the club could be “competitive” in its first season in the Championship. “By signing three new players, we have already identified players that we believe will help us guide the team into a very challenging season.”
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what I took from the article is that RDM is suggesting we have just forgotten what it is to be a club. That it needed to be rebuilt from that perspective. But we need to learn to competitive again and restore confidence. Much of this season will be tied to momentum. Can we go on sustained runs of games where we win or go undefeated?
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A variation on the "rotten from top to bottom" message from Graham Taylor. The first step to recovery is acceptance....
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I've mentioned before but the benchmark has to be Newcastle. Despite being run by a clown, they've always been an ambitious club. I can't see them looking to take two seasons to get promoted and neither should we. Hopefully they'll be eating our dust as they look up the table.
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I've mentioned before but the benchmark has to be Newcastle. Despite being run by a clown, they've always been an ambitious club. I can't see them looking to take two seasons to get promoted and neither should we. Hopefully they'll be eating our dust as they look up the table.
I wouldn't use Newcastle as a benchmark at all. You call them ambitious but they've been relegated twice in the last few years.
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I've mentioned before but the benchmark has to be Newcastle. Despite being run by a clown, they've always been an ambitious club. I can't see them looking to take two seasons to get promoted and neither should we. Hopefully they'll be eating our dust as they look up the table.
I wouldn't use Newcastle as a benchmark at all. You call them ambitious but they've been relegated twice in the last few years.
You can be both ambitious and shit at the same time.
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Hate to say it but I'll be really surprised if Newcastle don't walk the Championship.
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at the end of the short video Wyness makes it very clear that promotion at the first attempt is the priority. RDM is stating facts and maybe tempering expectation that this is process, but the expectations have been set for him by the board.
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Hate to say it but I'll be really surprised if Newcastle don't walk the Championship.
Hate to say it but I would be more surprised if Villa didnt walk the championship.
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Hate to say it but I'll be really surprised if Newcastle don't walk the Championship.
Hate to say it but I would be more surprised if Villa didnt walk the championship.
until that squad is ripped asunder I would expect nothing.
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Agbonlahor will almost certainly walk the Championship. It's less effort than running.
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Hate to say it but I'll be really surprised if Newcastle don't walk the Championship.
Hate to say it but I would be more surprised if Villa didnt walk the championship.
until that squad is ripped asunder I would expect nothing.
Newcastle have a settled,strong squad then?
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Hate to say it but I'll be really surprised if Newcastle don't walk the Championship.
Hate to say it but I would be more surprised if Villa didnt walk the championship.
until that squad is ripped asunder I would expect nothing.
Newcastle have a settled,strong squad then?
its not about Newcastle it is about the least motivated and least deserving players that I have ever seen wearing the shirt and I want them gone.
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You are preaching to the converted Chicago. We all want the malingerers moved on. What has been repeated by many posters is that the days of knee jerk, emotional decision making has to be put behind us forever. What happens to the players has to be what is in the best interests of the club. No more bomb squaddery. All the players have a value and that must be exploited. If we have to come to games with a sick bag and watch one of the trouble makers play because the manager and his staff consider it to be sound business, sobeit.
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As I have said a hundred times there is absolutely no chance of getting rid of Agbonlahor due to his wages of reputedly 54,000 per week.We might get Richards out though with a bit of luck The others have their uses.
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I know we all want the usual suspects to leave, but there are decent players in there somewhere, some positive coaching and who knows.
There are some I would love to just go, like Gabby and Lescott, as I genuinely don't think they are any good, but Richards for instance could be a very good player at right back next season - if he has some decent coaching and applies himself.
What I hope RDM and Clarke will instill in all the players is a positive, hard working attitude and to also come up with a solid bunch of tactics and formations so the players are settled in where they will play and what is expected of them when they do.
For too long the squad has lacked a manager who leads from the front and sorts shit out, I think Sgeerwood was quoted something along the lines of "I don't go in for all that tactics stuff" or similar, hopefully with the new management team things will be much different.
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As I have said a hundred times there is absolutely no chance of getting rid of Agbonlahor due to his wages of reputedly 54,000 per week.We might get Richards out though with a bit of luck The others have their uses.
And as I have said before, every player in the squad has a wage reduction written into their contract in the event of relegation of between 30-50%, so they aren't pulling down the huge wages they might have been last year.
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As I have said a hundred times there is absolutely no chance of getting rid of Agbonlahor due to his wages of reputedly 54,000 per week.We might get Richards out though with a bit of luck The others have their uses.
I've told you a thousand times not to exaggerate...
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Should we not know halve the wages of every player, as they have all taken a pay cut due to dropping into the championship?
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You are preaching to the converted Chicago. We all want the malingerers moved on. What has been repeated by many posters is that the days of knee jerk, emotional decision making has to be put behind us forever. What happens to the players has to be what is in the best interests of the club. No more bomb squaddery. All the players have a value and that must be exploited. If we have to come to games with a sick bag and watch one of the trouble makers play because the manager and his staff consider it to be sound business, sobeit.
Exactly. I'm amazed how hard it is for people to grasp this point. Surely the absolutely key requirement is to get promoted this season if at all possible. Everything else, including our dislike of certain players, surely must become a side issue?
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What RDM has to be wary of, is the ability of certain individuals within the group to drag the whole club down, regardless of how strong the management structure may now be, compared to recent years, we may want rid but if there are no takers we could well be stuck, but I would not go down the road of bomb squaddery as Brian puts it, the top level of management i.e. Wyness e.t.c. must be willing to banish these parasites away from the club, whilst disciplining and fining in line with the players contracts and PFA allowances, taking no chances that these parasites could do what we witnessed last year.
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Unfortunately all the power is in the hands of the player nowadays, you just have to look at Zog!
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You are preaching to the converted Chicago. We all want the malingerers moved on. What has been repeated by many posters is that the days of knee jerk, emotional decision making has to be put behind us forever. What happens to the players has to be what is in the best interests of the club. No more bomb squaddery. All the players have a value and that must be exploited. If we have to come to games with a sick bag and watch one of the trouble makers play because the manager and his staff consider it to be sound business, sobeit.
Exactly. I'm amazed how hard it is for people to grasp this point. Surely the absolutely key requirement is to get promoted this season if at all possible. Everything else, including our dislike of certain players, surely must become a side issue?
it is not a side issue, it is the issue. That squad with too many that have let the club down badly will not achieve anything. It maybe impossible to move many of them on, which severely hampers our chances of getting back to the Prem.
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You are preaching to the converted Chicago. We all want the malingerers moved on. What has been repeated by many posters is that the days of knee jerk, emotional decision making has to be put behind us forever. What happens to the players has to be what is in the best interests of the club. No more bomb squaddery. All the players have a value and that must be exploited. If we have to come to games with a sick bag and watch one of the trouble makers play because the manager and his staff consider it to be sound business, sobeit.
Exactly. I'm amazed how hard it is for people to grasp this point. Surely the absolutely key requirement is to get promoted this season if at all possible. Everything else, including our dislike of certain players, surely must become a side issue?
it is not a side issue, it is the issue. That squad with too many that have let the club down badly will not achieve anything. It maybe impossible to move many of them on, which severely hampers our chances of getting back to the Prem.
If these players continue the new season as they finished the last, surely it's the player management's responsibility to make it clear what's expected of them and any failure to deliver RDM's requirements will ensure they cannot poison the dressing room. I thought RDM has already stated he's not getting rid of anyone before he's made a judgement of each player or unless there are acceptable offers.
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Hate stats, absolutely despise them but worth a read ....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/statistics-prove-aston-villa-best-11905924
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8 goals in 95 chances created
*cries*
Mind you 95 chances is slightly more than we have created over the previous 5 years...
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That's why I'm still very positive and I'm not concerned about our league position at the moment.
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Hate stats, absolutely despise them but worth a read ....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/statistics-prove-aston-villa-best-11905924
OK. I like to slag off the Mail and I have bene pretty negative about our performance so far but that article genuinely cheered me up. Nice one, thanks for the link.
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8 goals in 95 chances created
*cries*
Mind you 95 chances is slightly more than we have created over the previous 5 years...
We're in an era where there's more readily available information than ever before and ultimately this will be of huge benefit. We're not very good at using it yet though.
But the chances created stuff is important. Results have been poor. But we've lost twice. And we've hit the woodwork countless times, missed brilliant chances and let in four crucial late goals denying us 7 points alone. We're really not that far away. The worry for me is more that our last two performances have arguably been or worst and I wonder if the confidence is diminishing
Newcastle at home is either the game we really need or the absolute last game we need!
Actually, I'd prefer Blackburn at home I think
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Hate stats, absolutely despise them but worth a read ....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/statistics-prove-aston-villa-best-11905924
OK. I like to slag off the Mail and I have bene pretty negative about our performance so far but that article genuinely cheered me up. Nice one, thanks for the link.
Isn't it amazing what a difference genuinely positive article can do for you, see Meaning Evil you can do it.