Restructure and redundancies

[achilles]

I can see that we have to cut costs, but one bad move in the transfer market, as has happened more often than not, and all the cost cutting will be undone.  I wonder what the pay offs to Sherwood and Garde will be.

Don't forget Fox's payoff!

[VILLA MOLE]

wouldnt it be great if the players made a gesture in offering to subsidize the cut backs on for one season to see if they could get us back in the Premiership.

meanwhile back on planet earth  .....

[mattjpa]

wouldnt it be great if the players made a gesture in offering to subsidize the cut backs on for one season to see if they could get us back in the Premiership.

meanwhile back on planet earth  .....

Its completely possible that the club are using the relegation as a chance to streamline the club and get rid of the people who have either evolved jobs that are not cost effective or really necessary anymore or people that are simply not good enough. Its not nice to see people lose their jobs but the world will keep on turning and people will get new jobs.

sad but true

[godzvilla]

If your Restaurant is serving lousy food, would you sack the Cashier / Bookkeeper / Dishwasher etc ?........or the culpable Chef(s) ?......Godzvilla!

Obviously the chef. But there again, they wouldn't be on the very specific contracts footballers are so it would be legally possible.

If your restaurant experienced a drop in people coming into it, would you employ so many waiters/waitresses?

Fair point, SheffieldVillain, I deliberately did not use Waiters/ Waitresses in my analogy because there really are no comparatives in a Football Club ( or are there ?), so perhaps my analogy was poorly chosen  That said, there are a lot of French Chef´s !!............Godzvilla!

[SheffieldVillain]

If your Restaurant is serving lousy food, would you sack the Cashier / Bookkeeper / Dishwasher etc ?........or the culpable Chef(s) ?......Godzvilla!

Obviously the chef. But there again, they wouldn't be on the very specific contracts footballers are so it would be legally possible.

If your restaurant experienced a drop in people coming into it, would you employ so many waiters/waitresses?

Fair point, SheffieldVillain, I deliberately did not use Waiters/ Waitresses in my analogy because there really are no comparatives in a Football Club ( or are there ?), so perhaps my analogy was poorly chosen  That said, there are a lot of French Chef´s !!............Godzvilla!

Matchday hospitality staff probably the nearest equivalent?

If our players were chefs, it'd mostly be microwave food.

[Ads]

This will likely be coming off the back of the review as we are hopelessly disorganised behind the scenes. For example, we retain a match day staff that caters for 40k a week through the doors, rather than say 25k and bring in additions as needed.

I feel very sorry for anyone who finds themselves jobless but some cuts are likely needed.

That's madness. Do we not have an operations manager?

[Mouse Potato]

If your Restaurant is serving lousy food, would you sack the Cashier / Bookkeeper / Dishwasher etc ?........or the culpable Chef(s) ?......Godzvilla!

Obviously the chef. But there again, they wouldn't be on the very specific contracts footballers are so it would be legally possible.

If your restaurant experienced a drop in people coming into it, would you employ so many waiters/waitresses?

Fair point, SheffieldVillain, I deliberately did not use Waiters/ Waitresses in my analogy because there really are no comparatives in a Football Club ( or are there ?), so perhaps my analogy was poorly chosen  That said, there are a lot of French Chef´s !!............Godzvilla!

Matchday hospitality staff probably the nearest equivalent?

If our players were chefs, it'd mostly be microwave food.

It wouldn't, it would be cold.

[The Edge]

This will likely be coming off the back of the review as we are hopelessly disorganised behind the scenes. For example, we retain a match day staff that caters for 40k a week through the doors, rather than say 25k and bring in additions as needed.

I feel very sorry for anyone who finds themselves jobless but some cuts are likely needed.

Matchday staff numbers are organised around the predicted attendance. However the club is useless at this. My son has a very good job in organising catering at large events. He doesn't get to VP so often these days but we went to the Burnley game last season. I think the crowd was around 40k? He was both gobsmacked and appalled at the organisation. With the 2nd half kick off approaching the queues were still massive. People were giving up and going back to their seats with their cash still in their pockets instead of the tills.He took pictures of this chaos to share with his bosses. He contacted the club using his job title and shared his thoughts and offered constructive advice. He never received a reply.......meanwhile staff are losing their jobs at the club. A disgraceful situation in my humble opinion.
 

[Chris Harte]

This will likely be coming off the back of the review as we are hopelessly disorganised behind the scenes. For example, we retain a match day staff that caters for 40k a week through the doors, rather than say 25k and bring in additions as needed.

I feel very sorry for anyone who finds themselves jobless but some cuts are likely needed.

That's madness. Do we not have an operations manager?

I'm guessing they made him, erm... redundant.

[cheltenhamlion]

It should a job for Lee Preece but the flavour I get is that this is a decision reached above his head. I could make your hair curl with some of the half arsed stuff happened on Faulkner's watch.

[Allan C]

This sums up our club for me. The people being made redundant will almost certainly be lifelong Villa fans who would give everything for the club they love. From top to bottom we will be left with people who couldn't care less about Villa with the possible exception of Brian Little. This is no more evident than the playing staff. It's a pity we can't sack at least six of them.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

This will likely be coming off the back of the review as we are hopelessly disorganised behind the scenes. For example, we retain a match day staff that caters for 40k a week through the doors, rather than say 25k and bring in additions as needed.

I feel very sorry for anyone who finds themselves jobless but some cuts are likely needed.

Matchday staff numbers are organised around the predicted attendance. However the club is useless at this. My son has a very good job in organising catering at large events. He doesn't get to VP so often these days but we went to the Burnley game last season. I think the crowd was around 40k? He was both gobsmacked and appalled at the organisation. With the 2nd half kick off approaching the queues were still massive. People were giving up and going back to their seats with their cash still in their pockets instead of the tills.He took pictures of this chaos to share with his bosses. He contacted the club using his job title and shared his thoughts and offered constructive advice. He never received a reply.......meanwhile staff are losing their jobs at the club. A disgraceful situation in my humble opinion.

to be honest its been like that for at least 15 years

[olaftab]

Is there a law that defines and differentiates players as "not staff"?
If not, sack every slacker mentioned on here, every last fkn one of them!

There are people on H&V who are much better informed than me on this but Villa have basically 3 types of employees.
1. Fixed term contracts (mainly players, Manager etc) Their contact can be cancelled but for very few reasons. Normally to dismiss them contract has to be paid up.
2. Permanent employees. Covered by the Employment law and other normal conditions of employment. Can be made redundant if Employers business situation changes.
3. Agency staff. Short term and normally on 30 days notice.

[DaveD]

It's the same in every industry. It's never the top employees that suffer, even though they're the ones that fucked up. You can't run a football club without footballers, you can't run a bank without bankers and you can't run a restaurant without chefs. Everyone else is expendable when it goes tits and the accountants are put in charge. In the banking crisis, a few big swinging dicks missed out on a bonus and moved elsewhere, and tens of thousands of IT and Operations staff lost their jobs. Same thing here.

[The Edge]

This will likely be coming off the back of the review as we are hopelessly disorganised behind the scenes. For example, we retain a match day staff that caters for 40k a week through the doors, rather than say 25k and bring in additions as needed.

I feel very sorry for anyone who finds themselves jobless but some cuts are likely needed.

Matchday staff numbers are organised around the predicted attendance. However the club is useless at this. My son has a very good job in organising catering at large events. He doesn't get to VP so often these days but we went to the Burnley game last season. I think the crowd was around 40k? He was both gobsmacked and appalled at the organisation. With the 2nd half kick off approaching the queues were still massive. People were giving up and going back to their seats with their cash still in their pockets instead of the tills.He took pictures of this chaos to share with his bosses. He contacted the club using his job title and shared his thoughts and offered constructive advice. He never received a reply.......meanwhile staff are losing their jobs at the club. A disgraceful situation in my humble opinion.

to be honest its been like that for at least 15 years

Yes I know. I don't miss many home games. When Mr Lerner bought the club I was very hopeful that we were about to embark on some good old  American
style Matchday catering and expected us to blaze a trail for Matchday catering in the premier league. But no. Apart from a few pretty ineffective changes were still stuck with expensive prices and piss poor service. They still pull pints individually in the Trinity Rd where I sit. Even down at St Andrex they have had the "multi pull" system on beers for a few seasons now. From top to bottom. from boardroom to bootroom Mr Lerner has presided over the utter demise of Aston Villa fc. We can only hope the new board is going to sort out the shitstorm that they have inherited.