Restructure and redundancies

[Chico Hamilton III]

It must seem a tad David Brent insensitive to those losing their jobs.

"We've got good news and bad. Good news is we've got a new badge........."

[Cliftonville Villain]

Best of luck in the future to all of those affected...was made redundant myself a year ago and had never felt so low. The thought of being made redundant however, because of the actions of spoilt, useless, uncaring, lazy, prima donnas who should be honoured to wear that shirt, is truly despicable. I get cost-cutting and all that, but are the staff involved's yearly wages really gonna make a difference to our plans in getting back up?

Agbonlahor and co's antics abroad, Lescott's penchant for 100k cars, Richards on-field sulking, Bacunas's rightful place in the Champions League, that f**ker N'Zogbia, etc...and now this. Truly a season of shame for the shameless.

[PeterWithe]

Can one of our legal folks explain why we can't make players redundant, is it just because the salary they steal off us means they can afford very expensive lawyers?

I get that we'd find it very hard to attract players again if we were to do it but I'd be interested in reading if, legally at least, we could do it?

[dave.woodhall]

Maybe the £80k on the new badge should have been better spent

They started the badge stuff in the summer.

I haven't even read the rest of the thread but this?

Oh come on! Seriously? Do we always have to side with the powers that be at the club?

Why are people making a fuss about the Panama stuff? it won't make any difference to anybody but it still doesn't make it right. Why not turn the other cheek seeing as it was out of our hands!

It's the symbolism. It's the unfairness it represents. We can afford to faff about with a word on our logo but not keep on however many poorly paid employees would earn £80,000 in a year. Could we have pulled the plug on the stupid badge changes when we knew we were in trouble early this season in October? I am sue we could.

Also the point about laughing at Newcastle when they went down is so bloody irrelevant. We are talking about Aston Villa in 2016 wasting money left right and centre, having an incompetent team on the pitch and making so many employees, who bear no responsibility fo our plight, redundant.

Perhaps you could say where "we" (whoever that might be) are always siding with anyone, least of all when it comes from stating a fact?

[PeterWithesShin]

Maybe the £80k on the new badge should have been better spent

They started the badge stuff in the summer.

I haven't even read the rest of the thread but this?

Oh come on! Seriously? Do we always have to side with the powers that be at the club?

Why are people making a fuss about the Panama stuff? it won't make any difference to anybody but it still doesn't make it right. Why not turn the other cheek seeing as it was out of our hands!

It's the symbolism. It's the unfairness it represents. We can afford to faff about with a word on our logo but not keep on however many poorly paid employees would earn £80,000 in a year. Could we have pulled the plug on the stupid badge changes when we knew we were in trouble early this season in October? I am sue we could.

Also the point about laughing at Newcastle when they went down is so bloody irrelevant. We are talking about Aston Villa in 2016 wasting money left right and centre, having an incompetent team on the pitch and making so many employees, who bear no responsibility fo our plight, redundant.

If you didn't read the rest of the tread how did you know I said anything about Newcastle?

[andyh]

No doubt those staff that will lose their jobs over the coming weeks and months are the ones who actually 'care' about the club more than anyone else employed by the club.
By that, I mean the tossers who represent Aston Villa on the pitch.

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

Take Burnley from last season. They may well have had to make redundancies after relegation but only after their management and players tried their hardest to stay in the EPL.
Our management from Lerner down and our players have not tried to save us from relegation, but yet honest hardworking staff have to pay with their jobs. That is grossly unfair.
Any present cuts should start with Reilly, nzogbia and the dross that have contributed to our relegation on the pitch (reduced wages in the championship is not enough in making these so-called players accountable)
The club needs to be seen to be doing something about these suckers. If they don't then the planned redundancies will further fracture the relationship between fans and players and any hopes we may have of a quick return to the EPL will vanish.

[London Villan]

Maybe an act of solidarity from the fans towards the staff made redundant at the next home match would be worthwhile? Some more humiliation for the jokers that have got us into this mess.

[PeterWithe]

At some point in the future some of these players will be on TV or in the papers as pundits criticising newer Villa players, I hope we all remember this day when their couldn't be arsed attitude has led to decent people losing their livelihoods through no fault of their own. And remind them of it over and over again.

[Mister E]

Can one of our legal folks explain why we can't make players redundant, is it just because the salary they steal off us means they can afford very expensive lawyers?

I get that we'd find it very hard to attract players again if we were to do it but I'd be interested in reading if, legally at least, we could do it?

As said above, people are not made redundant - it's the role or position on the organisational chart that is removed and therefore the people are laid off unless they are found to be suitable for other posts.
I realise in reality it is not often quite that clear cut and that redundancy is used as a means to offload people that are no longer wanted in an organisation.

[SheffieldVillain]

Take Burnley from last season. They may well have had to make redundancies after relegation but only after their management and players tried their hardest to stay in the EPL.
Our management from Lerner down and our players have not tried to save us from relegation, but yet honest hardworking staff have to pay with their jobs. That is grossly unfair.
Any present cuts should start with Reilly, nzogbia and the dross that have contributed to our relegation on the pitch (reduced wages in the championship is not enough in making these so-called players accountable)
The club needs to be seen to be doing something about these suckers. If they don't then the planned redundancies will further fracture the relationship between fans and players and any hopes we may have of a quick return to the EPL will vanish.

The law is stacked in their favour though. Can't make them redundant. Can't fine them without the PFA getting involved. Can't sack them for gross misconduct.

So while I think most people would agree with your sentiments, reality is that there is very little that the club can do about the players other than try their best to sell them or pay up their contracts.

[four fornicholl]

Can one of our legal folks explain why we can't make players redundant, is it just because the salary they steal off us means they can afford very expensive lawyers?

I get that we'd find it very hard to attract players again if we were to do it but I'd be interested in reading if, legally at least, we could do it?

As said above, people are not made redundant - it's the role or position on the organisational chart that is removed and therefore the people are laid off unless they are found to be suitable for other posts.
I realise in reality it is not often quite that clear cut and that redundancy is used as a means to offload people that are no longer wanted in an organisation.

reserve keeper, reserve defenders, reserve midfielders, reserve striker, SORTED

[PeterWithe]

So what, at least hypothetically, is stopping us saying that we are not planning on playing a system in which a certain player is useful, so that role, and hence the player, is redundant?

Is there any precedent?

[Tony Erdington]

joke

pay worthless players years wages of over £60k per week, sack £7.20 p/h employee

yep that's the villa way.

[Drummond]

This may have happened anyway.

We're shit in pretty much every area and the timing will enable is to bottom out and start again..

It's horrendous for those involved and see am unfair but it's got to happen.