Eric Black

[Jimbo]

Putting the pointless Garde/Black argument to one side for a second, we shipped four goals. We were one down within 5 minutes. Arsenal tried to walk it into our goal for most of the match, and when they injected a bit of urgency into their game they dispatched us with embarrassing ease. We were slaughtered. Our defence, midfield and forward line were all spectacularly shit. 

[Clampy]

Putting the pointless Garde/Black argument to one side for a second, we shipped four goals. We were one down within 5 minutes. Arsenal tried to walk it into our goal for most of the match, and when they injected a bit of urgency into their game they dispatched us with embarrassing ease. We were slaughtered. Our defence, midfield and forward line were all spectacularly shit. 

Yes of course, but that was happening before Black took over. That's the point.

[German James]

Putting the pointless Garde/Black argument to one side for a second, we shipped four goals. We were one down within 5 minutes. Arsenal tried to walk it into our goal for most of the match, and when they injected a bit of urgency into their game they dispatched us with embarrassing ease. We were slaughtered. Our defence, midfield and forward line were all spectacularly shit. 

Yes of course, but that was happening before Black took over. That's the point.

It was. But that's no defence (Ha!) of him.

[aj2k77]

The game was over after 300 seconds, from then on it was another training game for Arsenal.

[Clampy]

The game was over after 300 seconds, from then on it was another training game for Arsenal.

Hasn't that been the case for most of the season?

[aj2k77]

The game was over after 300 seconds, from then on it was another training game for Arsenal.

Hasn't that been the case for most of the season?

No. I can't recall conceding too many goals in the first 10 minutes. I do know that we've conceded 4 or more as many times in Blacks tenure, 3 as we have in the other 31 games of the season. So what he has tried has failed miserably.

[Clampy]

The game was over after 300 seconds, from then on it was another training game for Arsenal.

Hasn't that been the case for most of the season?

No. I can't recall conceding too many goals in the first 10 minutes. I do know that we've conceded 4 or more as many times in Blacks tenure, 3 as we have in the other 31 games of the season. So what he has tried has failed miserably.

I suggest you look through the season's results. We were conceding plenty of goals before he took over.

[paul_e]

Putting the pointless Garde/Black argument to one side for a second, we shipped four goals. We were one down within 5 minutes. Arsenal tried to walk it into our goal for most of the match, and when they injected a bit of urgency into their game they dispatched us with embarrassing ease. We were slaughtered. Our defence, midfield and forward line were all spectacularly shit. 

Yes of course, but that was happening before Black took over. That's the point.

but he made it worse than it was before which is the real point.  I've given the stats on goals conceded, he made us more defensive which resulted in us conceding more goals, he failed spectacularly at the one thing he tried to do.  When you add on the fact that it was also completely the wrong thing to do in the situation he just looks utterly incompetent.

I see the white knights have arrived to defend him again despite everything in his record backing up the fact that allowing him to see out the season was terrible decision.

What's all this 'white knights' nonsense just because someone has a different way of looking at it than you? And besides, I don't think they're defending him, they're just saying we were rubbish before he took over and we carried on being rubbish. He wasn't the cause of where we are.

As for allowing him to see out the season, It was obvious Garde didn't want to stay and we were down when he went anyway. Keeping him on would have been a bit pointless if he as planning to leave. Black just didn't help himself being as negative as he was.

The white knights thing was a low dig, I just don't see what Peter and Chris are trying to achieve defending a guy who got 1 point in 7 and conceded 18 goals playing horrific defensive football to do it.


Seeing out the season might not have been an option and appointing a replacement would've been a bad idea but I can't accept that there was no one else at the club who could've stepped in and done a better job, I think you'd struggle to find someone willing to take it who'd have done worse.

[Jimbo]

Putting the pointless Garde/Black argument to one side for a second, we shipped four goals. We were one down within 5 minutes. Arsenal tried to walk it into our goal for most of the match, and when they injected a bit of urgency into their game they dispatched us with embarrassing ease. We were slaughtered. Our defence, midfield and forward line were all spectacularly shit. 

Yes of course, but that was happening before Black took over. That's the point.

It isn't, really. I'm questioning the idea that we defended well against Arsenal. Everything about the game screams that we didn't. 

[Clampy]

Putting the pointless Garde/Black argument to one side for a second, we shipped four goals. We were one down within 5 minutes. Arsenal tried to walk it into our goal for most of the match, and when they injected a bit of urgency into their game they dispatched us with embarrassing ease. We were slaughtered. Our defence, midfield and forward line were all spectacularly shit. 

Yes of course, but that was happening before Black took over. That's the point.

but he made it worse than it was before which is the real point.  I've given the stats on goals conceded, he made us more defensive which resulted in us conceding more goals, he failed spectacularly at the one thing he tried to do.  When you add on the fact that it was also completely the wrong thing to do in the situation he just looks utterly incompetent.

I see the white knights have arrived to defend him again despite everything in his record backing up the fact that allowing him to see out the season was terrible decision.

What's all this 'white knights' nonsense just because someone has a different way of looking at it than you? And besides, I don't think they're defending him, they're just saying we were rubbish before he took over and we carried on being rubbish. He wasn't the cause of where we are.

As for allowing him to see out the season, It was obvious Garde didn't want to stay and we were down when he went anyway. Keeping him on would have been a bit pointless if he as planning to leave. Black just didn't help himself being as negative as he was.

The white knights thing was a low dig, I just don't see what Peter and Chris are trying to achieve defending a guy who got 1 point in 7 and conceded 18 goals playing horrific defensive football to do it.


Seeing out the season might not have been an option and appointing a replacement would've been a bad idea but I can't accept that there was no one else at the club who could've stepped in and done a better job, I think you'd struggle to find someone willing to take it who'd have done worse.

Who else do you suggest would have been able to step in? There was Kevin McDonald and he got slaughtered last time he did it and it wouldn't have been fair to put Brian or Sid in a situation like that.

[aev]

Maybe they should have actually appointed a full time manager? We have been in limbo ever since Garde went.

[paul_e]

The game was over after 300 seconds, from then on it was another training game for Arsenal.

Hasn't that been the case for most of the season?

No. I can't recall conceding too many goals in the first 10 minutes. I do know that we've conceded 4 or more as many times in Blacks tenure, 3 as we have in the other 31 games of the season. So what he has tried has failed miserably.

I suggest you look through the season's results. We were conceding plenty of goals before he took over.

I've posted the stats 1 page back in a comment that you've replied to.  I didn't include the sherwood games but it was 1.81 goals per game under Sherwood, 1.9 under Garde and 2.57 under Black.  We were bad, he made us a lot worse.

[paul_e]

Who else do you suggest would have been able to step in? There was Kevin McDonald and he got slaughtered last time he did it and it wouldn't have been fair to put Brian or Sid in a situation like that.

I don't know but sacking a manager and replacing him with a guy who's record as a caretaker is embarrassing was never going to end well.  You could probably have asked one of the youth team coaches to give it a go and they'd have got more out of the team than he did.

[Clampy]

The game was over after 300 seconds, from then on it was another training game for Arsenal.

Hasn't that been the case for most of the season?

No. I can't recall conceding too many goals in the first 10 minutes. I do know that we've conceded 4 or more as many times in Blacks tenure, 3 as we have in the other 31 games of the season. So what he has tried has failed miserably.

I suggest you look through the season's results. We were conceding plenty of goals before he took over.

I've posted the stats 1 page back in a comment that you've replied to.  I didn't include the sherwood games but it was 1.81 goals per game under Sherwood, 1.9 under Garde and 2.57 under Black.  We were bad, he made us a lot worse.

We've been shit all season. That's all there is too it really.

[N'ZMAV]

Started bad, went a bit more bad, now we're fucking terribly bad.