Eric Black

[auntiesledd]

I think it's wise and sensible words. He's dealing with a kid and simply saying 'you're a great player son, show the next manager'. He doesn't need to be involved now other than us to suck the confidence out of him. Jack will be back and I think Black has done well here.

Blimey, you've got on the sauce early today.

Edit: So early, in fact, that you were still on it yesterday!

[paul_e]

Honestly Chris, with that attitude you deserve failure.

People don't like Black because, whilst we all knew relegation was a certainty, we wanted to see was a light at the end of the tunnel, playing with a bit of flair and showing that we have the attacking players to fire us back up at the first time of asking.  What we got was a manager who has tried (badly) to make us harder to beat but has completely missed the fact that we'd already lost.  It's like making subs to 'defend' a 1-0 defeat and that pointlessness has created the anger.

Garde got a lot of things wrong but he was trying to do the right things, Black has got things wrong whilst trying to do something that is fundamentally wrong for both his role at the club and the position we're in.  For that the former gets some sympathy whilst the latter gets none, there's no hypocrisy there.

[Dave]

Because the players hated Garde and Garde hated being here.

If they did, then tough. He's not employed to be their friend.

And if he did, he was welcome to resign.

[peter w]

The kids are better than the shit on the pitch.

If you believe there's no youth player who could contribute more than gormless Bacuna, anonymous Sinclair or serial pointer Westwood then there's no telling you.

Thing is actually, no, the kids aren't better which is why they haven' been involved.

[Chris Smith]

The kids are better than the shit on the pitch.

If you believe there's no youth player who could contribute more than gormless Bacuna, anonymous Sinclair or serial pointer Westwood then there's no telling you.

Thing is actually, no, the kids aren't better which is why they haven' been involved.

That is just guess work because we haven't seen them play.

Black is a plodder and probably well suited to being a coach where he has to carry out the bidding of those above but seems to lack the drive and confidence needed to be in charge.

[FiveKenMcNaughts]

The kids are better than the shit on the pitch.

If you believe there's no youth player who could contribute more than gormless Bacuna, anonymous Sinclair or serial pointer Westwood then there's no telling you.

Thing is actually, no, the kids aren't better which is why they haven' been involved.

Do you believe Scott Sinclair is better than Jack Grealish?

[chrisw1]

Honestly Chris, with that attitude you deserve failure.

People don't like Black because, whilst we all knew relegation was a certainty, we wanted to see was a light at the end of the tunnel, playing with a bit of flair and showing that we have the attacking players to fire us back up at the first time of asking.  What we got was a manager who has tried (badly) to make us harder to beat but has completely missed the fact that we'd already lost.  It's like making subs to 'defend' a 1-0 defeat and that pointlessness has created the anger.

Garde got a lot of things wrong but he was trying to do the right things, Black has got things wrong whilst trying to do something that is fundamentally wrong for both his role at the club and the position we're in.  For that the former gets some sympathy whilst the latter gets none, there's no hypocrisy there.

I just disagree with you.  There are different view points on throwing the kids into a lost cause.  It may have worked and it may have been hugely counter productive.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Black has done a good job, but neither do I think he has done worse than the clowns before him.  I just can't rationalise the sympathy for Remi against the hatred for Black.  And I can only put that down to the fact one sounds like Wegner and the other like Mcleish.

[chrisw1]

Garde got a lot of things wrong but he was trying to do the right things, Black has got things wrong whilst trying to do something that is fundamentally wrong for both his role at the club and the position we're in.  For that the former gets some sympathy whilst the latter gets none, there's no hypocrisy there.

and I think there is shitloads of hypocrisy there.  They have broadly picked the same teams.  How was one doing the right thing and the other a ******?

[Witton Warrior]

I think Black just hates us. The club and fans. There can be no other reason as incompetence would at least have seen him try something different/more ludicrous.

This convoluted blather about Jack is like he has been asked a question and then given three unrelated words to construct a response from. Him and Kevmac act as if they are from previous Golden Age of coaching and tactics that has been surpassed but they have returned to punish us for our heresy.

Yes - I really dislike him

[chrisw1]

I think Black just hates us. The club and fans. There can be no other reason as incompetence would at least have seen him try something different/more ludicrous.

This convoluted blather about Jack is like he has been asked a question and then given three unrelated words to construct a response from. Him and Kevmac act as if they are from previous Golden Age of coaching and tactics that has been surpassed but they have returned to punish us for our heresy.

Yes - I really dislike him

The Jack quotes - he's trying to do the lad a favour.  Boost him for next year.  That doesn't sound like someone who hates the club.

Why isn't he playing him?  Dunno, why didn't Remi Play him?  Maybe he is not putting it in in training.  Maybe his confidence is shot and he thinks it would be counter productive?  Maybe they've had a fallout?  Who knows.  But without knowing full facts, it's tough on Black to lay all the blame at his door.

[paul_e]

Garde got a lot of things wrong but he was trying to do the right things, Black has got things wrong whilst trying to do something that is fundamentally wrong for both his role at the club and the position we're in.  For that the former gets some sympathy whilst the latter gets none, there's no hypocrisy there.

and I think there is shitloads of hypocrisy there.  They have broadly picked the same teams.  How was one doing the right thing and the other a c***?

because one of them was planning on being the manager for the long term, the other is a caretaker who had to hold the fort for a month or 2 and try not to piss the fans any more than they were already, that's the context that you're missing.

[aj2k77]

If Black wanted to give Grealish a boost then maybe he could have given him some play time...

[mr underhill]

 by playing the same old clowns he (EB) has almost wilfully pissed the fans off, whereas if he'd had the courage to be inventive with his team selections he would have won a few friends. You can't win with a losing hand

[chrisw1]

Garde got a lot of things wrong but he was trying to do the right things, Black has got things wrong whilst trying to do something that is fundamentally wrong for both his role at the club and the position we're in.  For that the former gets some sympathy whilst the latter gets none, there's no hypocrisy there.

and I think there is shitloads of hypocrisy there.  They have broadly picked the same teams.  How was one doing the right thing and the other a c***?

because one of them was planning on being the manager for the long term, the other is a caretaker who had to hold the fort for a month or 2 and try not to piss the fans any more than they were already, that's the context that you're missing.

Remi had given up.  He wasn't planning for the future, he knew we were down and was going through the motions.  He was picking the same ****** Black is.  If he was building for the future he could easily have tried something new, but chose not to.  So yes, it is absolutely hypocritical to slag one off and not the other.

[chrisw1]

If Black wanted to give Grealish a boost then maybe he could have given him some play time...

Maybe he isn't up to it at the moment?  He hasn't done anything all season and Remi didn't pick him either.  We really don't know the reasons do we?